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    Dealing with the Holocaust

    by Greg Johnson

    July 20, 2012 — 758 Comments


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...the-holocaust/
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...767#post350767
    http://previousdissent.com/forums/sh...8099#post28099
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6368#post6368

    1. White Nationalists need to deal with the Holocaust just as we need to deal with the Jewish Question in general.

    It is futile to focus on White advocacy alone and ignore the Jews. Quite simply, the Jews will not return the favor. You might not pick Jews as the enemy, but they will pick you. You might wish to see Jews as Whites, but Jews see themselves as a distinct people. Thus they see any nationalism but their own as a threat.

    2. It is futile for White Nationalists to ignore the Holocaust, for the Holocaust is one of the principal tools by which Jews seek to stigmatize White ethnic pride and self-assertion. As soon as a White person expresses the barest inkling of nationalism or racial consciousness, he will be asked “What about the Holocaust? You’re not defending genocide, are you?”

    The Holocaust is specifically a weapon of moral intimidation. It is routinely put forward as the worst thing that has ever happened, the world’s supreme evil. Anybody who would defend it, or anything connected to it, is therefore evil by association. The Holocaust is evoked to cast uppity Whites into the world’s deepest moral pit, from which they will have to extricate themselves before they can say another word. And that word had better be an apology. To borrow a turn of phrase from Jonathan Bowden, the Holocaust is a moral “cloud” over the heads of Whites.

    So how can White Nationalists dispel that cloud? We need an answer to the Holocaust question. As a New Rightist, the short answer is simply this: the New Right stands for ethnonationalism for all peoples — what Frank Salter terms “universal nationalism.” We believe that this idea can become hegemonic through the transformation of culture and consciousness. We believe that it can be achieved by peaceful territorial divisions and population transfers. Thus we retain the values, aims, and intellectual framework of the Old Right. Where we differ is that we reject Old Right party politics, totalitarianism, imperialism, and genocide.

    The idea of ethnonationalism is true and good, regardless of the real and imagined crimes, mistakes, and misfortunes of the Old Right. Thus we feel no need to “deny,” minimize, or revise the Holocaust, just as the New Left felt no need to tie its projects to “Gulag revisionism.”

    3. What is the Holocaust? I understand the Holocaust to mean the claim that up to six million European Jews were put to death during World War II by the Third Reich and its allies as part of a policy of systematic and intentional genocide, i.e., the extermination of a whole people or group.

    What is revisionism? History is what really happened. Historiography is the record and interpretation of history created by finite and fallible human beings. As we discover new historical facts and the lies, errors, and biases of past historians, we must accordingly revise historiography. Historical revisionism is simply the process of criticizing historical narratives to bring them in line with historical facts.

    Historical revisionism is, in principle, an infinite task, for every historian interprets limited data within particular frameworks. But data can always change, and interpretations can always be questioned. Revisionism is, therefore, a necessary and permanent feature of the pursuit of historical truth.

    Holocaust revisionism primarily challenges the facts of the Holocaust narrative, usually focusing on death totals and techniques of extermination. Holocaust revisionism is a completely legitimate field of historical inquiry, simply because all historical narratives are subject to revision.

    Beyond that, revisionism about wartime atrocities is necessary because wars always generate propaganda, and much of war propaganda is untrue. In the case of the Holocaust, for instance, the old stories about human soap and lampshades have now been recognized as false even by mainstream historians, including Jewish historians. And so many Holocaust memoirs have been unmasked as false that they constitute a whole new literary genre.

    Holocaust revisionism is not the same thing as revisionism about the Third Reich or the causes, conduct, and consequences of World War II. Nor does it constitute Holocaust revisionism to compare the Holocaust to other genocides or discuss its overall meaning.

    For instance, Irmin Vinson’s Some Thoughts on Hitler, deals with the role of the Holocaust in stigmatizing and suppressing White racial consciousness today. But it is not a revisionist account of the actual events of the Holocaust. Similarly, the events of World War II are irrelevant to Kevin MacDonald’s point about the preeminent role of the Holocaust in contemporary Western culture: “Central to the new culture is the elevation of Jewish experiences of suffering during World War II, collectively referred to as ‘the Holocaust’, to the level of the pivotal historico-cultural icon in Western societies. … The Holocaust has thus become an instrument of Jewish ethnic interests not only as a symbol intended to create moral revulsion at violence directed at minority ethnic groups —prototypically the Jews, but also as an instrument to silence opponents of high levels of multi-ethnic immigration into Western societies” (see here, p. 44, 45).

    Just so we are clear: I believe that Holocaust revisionism is a legitimate field of historical research, because all forms of historical revisionism are legitimate, due to the necessarily partial, finite, and therefore revisable nature of historiography. I believe that all laws that penalize Holocaust revisionism should be scrapped as anti-intellectual, quasi-religious obscurantism. I believe that all revisionists should be released from jail. I have met many leading revisionists, and with only a couple of exceptions, I think they are honest and honorable people. I wish them well in their endeavors.

    I am not arguing that we should avoid Holocaust revisionism because it will garner bad press. I don’t worry about such things, because we will always have bad press — until we control the press.

    I simply wish to argue that Holocaust revisionism is not a necessary component of our intellectual project. We don’t need it. Which is not the same thing as saying that it is a hindrance, or that it cannot help under any circumstances, although I will argue that it is often a distraction.

    Personally speaking, since becoming involved with the White Nationalist scene, I have never been all that interested in Holocaust revisionism, simply because my main concern is with the genocide being committed against our own people today, not the real or imagined crimes committed by our people in the past. And the Holocaust strikes me as having little to do with the deep causes of our racial plight and even less to do with the solutions.

    4. There is a weak sense in which Holocaust revisionism is not necessarily connected to White Nationalism, namely they have very different aims which makes them very different endeavors. The proper aim of Holocaust revisionism is historical truth. The aim of White Nationalism is the creation of White homelands. Although the ranks of revisionists and White Nationalists overlap, there is no necessary connection between these two aims. Which is not to say that they necessarily conflict.

    For instance, there are Holocaust revisionists who are not White Nationalists, such as Bradley Smith, Robert Faurisson, and Roger Garaudy. And there are White Nationalists who are not Holocaust revisionists. Indeed, there are some who hope that the revisionists are wrong.

    Others, like me, simply hold that revisionism, whether true or false, is simply not necessary to the White Nationalist project. The standard account of the Holocaust could be completely true, and it would still not imply that there is anything wrong with White Nationalism and the goal of breaking Jewish power over our destiny and physically separating Whites and Jews.

    Of course for German and Austrian nationalists, particularly those who want to rehabilitate old-style National Socialism, there seems to be an inextricable connection between Holocaust revisionism and their practical political aims. But I wish to argue that even in this case, Holocaust revisionism is not necessary for German and Austrian nationalism to reemerge from the flames.

    Nothing prevents German or Austrian nationalists from saying:
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    “If the lessons of the Holocaust are that genocide is evil and the best defense against genocide is to have one’s own state, then we think this lesson applies to us too. We will cease to exist as a people if we do not have control over our own borders and destinies. It is time for a new nationalism. We simply refuse to tie our destiny to what happened in the Second World War. We’re over it. We’ve moved on. Jews are no longer being subjected to active, ongoing genocide, but we are.”
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    So if one’s goal is historical truth about the Holocaust, to rehabilitate National Socialism and the Third Reich, or to cleanse the German people of blood libels, then Holocaust revisionism makes perfect sense. Nothing else will really do. But if one’s aim is White Nationalism, Holocaust revisionism is not necessary.

    5. Those who argue that Holocaust revisionism is a necessary component of White Nationalism usually claim that the Holocaust is the foundation of the post-World War II regime of anti-White genocide.

    The Holocaust really is the principal source of White guilt, the principal tool to stigmatize White national and ethnic consciousness.

    What are the “lessons” of the Holocaust? The Holocaust is used, simultaneously, to justify Jewish racism, Jewish nationalism, and Jewish self-assertion and to stigmatize White racism, nationalism, and self-assertion.

    Thus, some White Nationalists reason, if the principal claims about the Holocaust could be refuted — if the death toll could be lowered, if the homicidal gas chambers could be exposed as a myth, etc. — then the whole racket of anti-White guilt and extortion would crumble.

    But is this true?

    Revisionists have been chipping away at Holocaust claims since 1945. The shrunken heads, human soap, and human lampshades have been quietly withdrawn. The homicidal gas chambers have migrated from Germany and Austria to Poland. Death tolls at individual sites have been revised downward. Scores of fake memoirs and testimonies have been unmasked. And all of these findings have been accepted by mainstream historians.

    Yet has this decreased the cultural power of the Holocaust over Whites? Maybe it has slowed the juggernaut down a bit, but it is still rolling over us. Furthermore, I see no effect on broader Jewish cultural and political hegemony, which has never been stronger.

    Of course if the revisionists could score a major hit — if, for instance, they are right about the gas chambers at Auschwitz — there is no question that the Jewish establishment would suffer considerable embarrassment and loss of credibility and prestige in the eyes of Whites. That certainly couldn’t hurt White Nationalism. But would it really constitute a decisive blow against Jewish power?

    I think not, for the following reasons.
    First, as Mark Weber has pointed out, the cultural and political power of the Holocaust is not the foundation of Jewish power, it is an expression of pre-existing Jewish power. Before World War II, Jews already had an enormous amount of power in the United States (see here, p. 9ff): enough power to deliver the United States into two World Wars, for instance. Jewish power was based on over-representation in banking, business, law, politics, academia, and the news and entertainment media.

    Second, if the Holocaust suddenly lost its potency as a tool of moral intimidation, Jews surely have the talent, money, power, and ill-will to foist a new one on us. Whites will never be free until we identify and defeat the real sources of Jewish power. And from that point of view, focusing too much on the Holocaust is superficial and can function as a distraction. The Holocaust is like the toreador’s red cape. We bulls need to stop charging the cape and start focusing on the man who wields it.

    Third, Holocaust death totals are never going to be revised to zero. In a war in which countless innocent people of all nations died, countless innocent Jews surely died as well, and ultimately that’s all the Holocaust needs to survive. The gas chambers, the genocidal intent, and the rest of it could be dropped, but poor little Anne Frank and many others like her would still be dead.

    Fourth, the pity for innocent Jewish victims that our people feel will not be altered even if they are convinced that many Holocaust survivors and the Allied powers exploited their deaths for political and financial gain and embellished them with outrageous blood libels against the German people. The victims told no lies about the Holocaust (soap, lampshades, etc.). The survivors did. The Allied governments did. The Jewish leadership did. But dead men tell no tales.

    Fifth, if many key Holocaust claims were proven false, Holocaust survivors could still present themselves as victims, this time of the Allied powers that fabricated German atrocities to retroactively justify their own war crimes. Jews who were duped into thinking that their entire families had been exterminated might well have lost the opportunity to find their loved ones because they believed them to be dead.

    This would actually be a political windfall for Jews, because Jews have worked very hard to make all Whites feel a spurious guilt for the Holocaust, even the citizens of the Allied powers that brought the Holocaust to the end. If, however, the Allies fabricated key elements of the Holocaust narrative, then they really would be guilty of a great crime against the Jews, opening up vast new prospects for reparations.

    Sixth, the Holocaust may be the anti-White guilt trip most useful to Jews — since it simultaneously supports their nationalism and undermines ours — but it is certainly not the only one. There are all too many Whites who are happily abasing and immolating themselves for such historic crimes as Negro slavery, the conquest and dispossession of indigenous peoples around the globe, even the extermination of countless animal species. Some Whites seem almost eager to believe that our ancestors exterminated the Neanderthal, so they can feel guilty about that as well. Of course it would be nice to set the historical record straight on all these issues, but the real problem here is moral.
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    6. It is our own people’s grandiose propensity toward collective guilt and self-abasement that is the ultimate source of the Holocaust’s power over us. No amount of Jewish propaganda could sell us the “lessons” of the Holocaust if we were not willing to buy them. The real problem of the Holocaust is moral and psychological, and historical revisionism simply does not address it. It is a problem that can only be addressed by moral and psychological means. Unless we deal with the real root of the problem, Whites will be just as willing to abase and ruin themselves over 600,000 dead Jews as over six million.

    The fact that the ultimate problem lies in ourselves does not, however, absolve the organized Jewish community of guilt for exploiting it to serve evil ends.

    Just to be clear, I am not objecting to feeling sympathy with the victims of injustice. Nor am I objecting to feeling shame for one’s own misbehavior or the misbehavior of others, especially those who act in one’s name. These are signs of moral health.

    What I object to is collective guilt and collective atonement: the idea that Whites today are collectively guilty for what Whites have done in the past and must collectively atone for those crimes. I believe there are collective goods and evils. I am all for collective pride and collective shame. But I do not believe in collective guilt. Individuals are only guilty of the things that they do, even when individuals act in groups. It is perfectly reasonable to feel pity and shame for the extinction of the dodo or great auk. But I am not guilty of actions taken by others long before I was born.

    One of the most disgusting but least harmful manifestations of collective guilt and atonement is the issuing of collective apologies for past wrongs. The King of Spain, for instance, was asked to apologize for the Reconquista, i.e., the reversal of the Moorish conquest of Spain. A healthy people would have responded to such insolence with laughter (and tossed whoever suggested it down a well, for good measure). After all, where is the Moorish apology for the Conquista?
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    March of the Abolitionists
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    Then there is the group of White Christians who marched around wearing chains and yokes in the custody of blacks to apologize for the slave trade. Of course, Muslims, Jews, and African blacks felt no need to apologize for their people’s roles in the slave trade.

    It is this mentality that has allowed Jews to fashion the Holocaust into a kind of moral fetish from which Whites shrink like vampires from the cross.

    The moral and psychological effect of collective guilt is collective demoralization and self-hatred, which leads to a loss of a collective destiny. We no longer think that the world is a better place because of our people, that we have something good to contribute to the universe.

    A whole book could be written about the consequences of White demoralization. I believe it is a factor in everything from lower birthrates to miscegenation to our willingness to subject ourselves to annoying music.

    But the most important consequence of White demoralization is our unwillingness to take our own side in ethnic conflicts with every other group on the planet. And, as Michael Polignano has argued so cogently, refusing to take one’s own side in an ethnic conflict is the path to collective dispossession and extinction. (This is why our enemies promote such attitudes in the first place.)

    Our morality has made us sick, rotten, weak, and contemptible, and only a moral revolution—what Nietzsche called a transvaluation of values—will save us. This is not the place to fully explore that transvaluation. But I will touch on how it relates to the Holocaust question.

    7. Not only does Holocaust revisionism fail to deal with the moral roots of the problem, it actually subtly strengthens them. Both Holocaust promoters and revisionists share a common premise: If White ethnocentrism, self-assertion, etc. led to the Holocaust, the slave trade, Jim Crow, etc., then they are evil. Revisionists do not challenge the moral part of this premise, they simply dispute the facts.

    But the most fundamental response is to deny the moral premise: There is nothing wrong with White racial nationalism, self-assertion and White concerns about the future of their race. These do not necessarily conflict with the legitimate interests of other peoples, and in cases when our interests conflict with theirs, it is perfectly correct to take our own side. Attacking the moral dimension of the problem is like hacking at the trunk of a tree, whereas revisionism is akin to merely trimming the branches.

    8. There is a sense in which the past simply does not matter to a people of sufficient vitality and destiny. Yes, we should honor our heritage. Yes, we should learn from history. But no healthy people should allow the past to turn into a dead weight impeding them from pursuing a better future.

    From the point of view of a vital organism, memory should be as selective as the digestive process, which separates nutrients from poisons and dross, absorbing the nutrients and excreting — i.e., forgetting — the rest as swiftly as possible.

    Individuals who have a long memory for negative things, like people with slow bowels, are sickened by retaining wastes that should be excreted. The same is true for whole peoples. Great men and great peoples need to have a capacity to forget the negative so they can get on with life.

    The bigger the memory, the smaller the man —the longer the memory for slights, the pettier and sicklier the soul. The bigger the past, the smaller the future. The more tied to the past one is —especially past negatives— the less vitality one has, the less ability to project a future.

    And, to extend the analogy one step further, people who constantly harp on past negatives are trying to make you eat the psychic equivalent of excrement. They are trying to poison you. They do not have your best interests at heart.

    Sure, it is good to set the historical record straight. But from the point of view of the existential, practical project of securing the existence of our people, it is not necessary. Because mere historical facts — no matter what they are — should never deter us.

    9. Part of the power of the Holocaust is the idea that it is history’s greatest crime, the worst thing that ever happened. This is a factual claim, which can be easily refuted. Lenin, Stalin, and Mao each killed more than six million people. (As many as 15 million people died in the USSR under Lenin’s leadership, during the revolution and civil war, before Stalin came to power.)

    Tinkering with Holocaust death totals is obviously relevant to where the Holocaust fits into the hierarchy of human atrocities. Does it come before or after the millions of German civilians killed during and after World War II by the Allied powers? How does it relate to the 1.5 to 4 million people who died in the Bengal famine of 1943, caused by the British? How does it compare to the some two million Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, and Greeks who were killed by the Turks between 1915 and 1920, or the 1.7 million Cambodians were killed by Pol Pot from 1975 to 1979?

    But from a Jewish point of view, such tinkering is irrelevant, because whether the death toll is six million or 600,000, the Holocaust is still the worst thing that ever happened to Jews.

    The problem is that Jews have gotten the rest of us to accept the Jewish view of the Holocaust as the only view, the view of “humanity,” which for a Jew means only Jews, but for Whites means everyone. Whites need to develop our own perspective on the Holocaust.

    From a general human point of view, Holocaust numbers are irrelevant as well, because even if 16 million Jews perished in the Second World War, it is certainly not the worst thing that ever happened to the human race. That would be Communism.

    From a White point of view, Holocaust numbers are irrelevant too, because the worst thing that has ever happened to our race has also claimed far more than six million lives. That would be the rise of Jewish power over Whites, whenever and wherever it has occurred, including Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe, the delivery of the United States into the First World War, playing a major role in fomenting World War II, and playing a leading role in establishing the post-war system in which low White birthrates and the immigration of fast-breeding non-Whites threaten White peoples the world over with political dispossession, cultural obliteration, and, if present trends continue, biological extinction.

    But even if the Holocaust were the worst thing that ever happened, (a) it is not our fault and (b) we have our own, slow, ongoing genocide to worry about. So, in the end, do the numbers really matter to a people with the will to have a future?

    10. The most urgently touted lesson of the Holocaust is that Whites had better not contemplate separating themselves from Jews ever again, lest it lead to “another Holocaust.” But this doesn’t really follow.

    First, if it really were a matter of “us or them,” any healthy people would take its own side.

    Second, Jews have been expelled many times from White lands, and not all of these expulsions resulted in massacres. Some of them probably prevented massacres.

    Third, Jews now have some place to go: a homeland that will not refuse them refuge.

    Fourth, Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons which will effectively deter any future massacre of Jews.
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    11. From a practical, political point of view, Holocaust revisionism is a rather clumsy way of dealing with the Holocaust question.

    Imagine you are protesting some evil done by Jews and you are told that Jews have a right to do x because of the Holocaust. Do you splutter that the Holocaust is a “hoax” and then start disputing the numbers? Or do you simply say, “Two wrongs don’t make a right”?

    Imagine that you are passing out anti-immigration literature and somebody comes up to you and tells you “What you’re doing is just like what led to the Holocaust.” Do you bring up the Leuchter Report? Or do you simply say, “Unless we don’t stop immigration, White people have no future in this country, and that’s genocide too. We’re fighting against our own ‘Holocaust’”?

    The first response is moral. The second can be characterized as political. As a general rule, moral and political arguments are more convincing than historical or scientific arguments, because the latter require specialized knowledge and lengthy explanations, whereas the former can be pithily formulated and draw upon common moral and political intuitions—and generally people’s moral intuitions are healthier than the toxic moral swill ladled out by the churches, schools, and mass media.

    12. Generally the “lesson” of the Holocaust boils down to: Jewish racism, nationalism, and self-assertion are good; White racism, nationalism, and self-assertion are evil. The flaw in this position has nothing to do with historical facts. It is simply the glaring moral double standard, which is the essence of Jewish tribal morality. The position is perfectly consistent with Jewish live and let die morals, since both sides of the double standard benefit the Jews.

    The White answer should be, for starters, to point out the double standard. But one cannot stop there, simply adopting a posture of naïve, aggrieved universalism. One should also point out that Jews are quite aware of such double standards and quite pleased with them: they are essential to the Jewish moral outlook. Jews are morally different people, and we need to recognize this.

    But the answer is not to adopt our own version of Jewish ethics —preaching universalism for them while practicing ethnocentrism for us— for at least six reasons.
    First, Jews aren’t as naive as Whites, so they would never buy it.

    Second, Jews can afford to maintain moral double standards because they have the power to make them work for them. Whites do not have that kind of power, so there is nothing to gain by sacrificing our consistency.

    Third, our fellow Whites have a strong predisposition toward universalism, and flouting it makes our task that much harder.

    Fourth, Whites tend to be outraged at violations of universality and reciprocity. Why not channel all of that outrage toward our enemies rather than share in it ourselves?

    Fifth, philosophically speaking, ethnocentrism, ethnonationalism, and ethnic self-assertion are completely universalizable principles. They can be accepted by all peoples. The New Right stands for ethnonationalism for everybody.

    Finally, Jews have invested a great deal in genocide education and awareness. Why not make that work for us, for a change?
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    If the lesson of the Holocaust is that peoples need their own states, ethnic pride, and ethnic separation in order to preserve themselves from genocide, then Whites need to demand that this principle be applied to us as well, for although Jews have never been more secure—with their ethnostate sitting on a mountain of nuclear weapons —Whites in all nations are faced with declining birthrates and teeming populations of non-White invaders, trends incompatible with our long term survival. That is genocide too, as defined by the United Nations. White Nationalism is all about resisting White genocide.

    Followers of Bob Whitaker’s mantra have made an important contribution to White Nationalism by injecting the White genocide meme far and wide into the culture. Clearly they understand that they will have a greater impact by building upon genocide awareness rather than trying to nibble away at its edges with Holocaust revisionism. And one can do this in all earnestness, because, after all, genocide really is evil.

    13. Holocaust revisionism is illegal in 17 countries and counting. In France, Jean-Marie Le Pen, Roger Garaudy, Jean Plantin, and Robert Faurisson have been imprisoned and/or fined for Holocaust revisionism. In Germany, Ernst Zündel, Germar Rudolf, Sylvia Stolz, Horst Mahler, Dirk Zimmerman, and Bishop Richard Williamson have been imprisoned and/or fined. Zündel and Mahler were sentenced to five years. In Switzerland, Jürgen Graf, Gerhard Förster, and Gaston-Armand Amaudruz have been imprisoned and/or fined. In Austria, David Irving and Wolfgang Fröhlich have been imprisoned, the latter for six years. Others have been forced into exile.

    One might argue that no one bans what he does not fear. Thus if Holocaust revisionism is banned, it must be feared by our rulers. One could make the same argument about the criminal assaults, bombs, arson, loss of employment, professional harassment, and social ostracism to which Holocaust revisionists have also been subjected.

    But the fact that Holocaust revisionism is persecuted still does not imply that it is a necessary or effective component of White Nationalism.

    Moreover, Holocaust revisionists who have no ties to White Nationalism have also been persecuted. Furthermore, fear is not the only motive for persecution. Hatred probably plays a bigger role. The Holocaust is a highly emotional topic among Jews. Thus Revisionism would probably be persecuted even if it bore no connection to any particular political agenda and threatened no political powers.

    Finally, if White Nationalists who do not link themselves to Holocaust revisionism become more effective (as I think they will), then they might have even worse persecutions in store.

    14. To sum up, I have argued that White Nationalists need to deal with the problem of the Holocaust. I have argued that the root of the problem is our people’s willingness to accept unearned guilt and punish ourselves for it. The problem, in short, is psychological and moral, not historical. Thus Holocaust revisionism is not the answer. It is not necessary for White Nationalism. At best, it can supplement an essentially moral argument for White Nationalism. At worst, it distracts us from dealing with the deeper roots of Jewish power and White weakness.

    I wish to end with a few words from Jonathan Bowden, who has been a major inspiration for what I have written here. When an exponent of White revival is asked, “Well what’s your view of the Shoah then?” Bowden recommends simply saying: “We’ve stepped over that.” Meaning that we have overcome it, that we are moving forward, that the future calls, and we are a people who wish to have a future again. We recognize that the Holocaust is being used to abort that future.

    To the retort, “What do you mean you’ve ‘stepped over’ that? Are you minimizing its importance to humanity?” Bowden counsels the reply, “We are minimizing its importance to our form of humanity!”

    I wish I could have asked Bowden what he means by “our form of humanity” prior to his untimely death. Obviously he is referring to White people. But, whether he knew it or not, I think he is referring to only a subset of Whites.

    Today Whites, as a whole, are a race without a future. White Nationalists wish to save our people, but the sad truth is that we can’t save all of them. We are too few, the rot is too deep, and the hour is too late.

    Thus, ultimately, we are not so much saving our people as becoming a new people. Hence “our form of humanity” consists specifically of Whites who have, through a Nietzschean revolution in values, overcome Jewish power and White weakness at their roots, thus becoming Whites who, once again, have a future.



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    Everything Greg Johnson knows about the ‘Holocaust’ he learned from Mark Weber

    Everything Greg Johnson knows about the ‘Holocaust’ he learned from Mark Weber . . .

    . . . When that goofy faggot could have learned everything necessary from Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt.

    by Carolyn Yaeger/Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt


    http://thewhitenetwork.com/2012/08/0...om-mark-weber/
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post350768
    http://previousdissent.com/forums/sh...ed=1#post28100
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6369#post6369

    The latest White Nationalist figure to announce his flight from Holocaust Revisionism is the editor of Counter-Currents Publishing, Greg Johnson. In an article titled “Dealing with The Holocaust” published on June 20 at the Occidental Observer, Johnson gave a whole list of reasons why Holocaust Revisionism was not “necessary” to the prospering of what he has dubbed the North American New Right. Just three years ago, Mark Weber used virtually identical reasons to explain why Holocaust Revisionism had become “irrelevant” to the work of the Institute for Historical Review (IHR). What really really churns muh Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt into clenched-twat rage is that if anyone is allowed to not pinch off a loaf to Holohoax Revisionism, then what the fuck will anyone rational need my kind for within White Nationalism? They won't!!! This is exactly the sort of shit that really really needs to be nipped in the bud.

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    Greg Johnson’s article attracted 757 comments both pro and con, long and short, before being closed to more, and its premises are still being argued. Mark Weber’s 2009 “How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?” created a storm of controversy and ill-will that remains to this day. Why, the urine stream which went down muh leg etched glass, I'll have you know. These arguments are therefore not ones that we will pass by quickly as we move on to other concerns, but they strike a deep chord in our collective White consciousness as to who we are, where we’re going and how we will get there. jewst sayin'.

    In this article, I only intend to show the unmistakable similarity between the words used by Johnson and those used by Mark Weber in their respective essays. I'm going to pull a Hadding against Covington on Markie and Greggie. I'm going to screetch and whine about stupid shit that nobody normal gives a fuck about. I'm going to make a total ass-clown of muh-self and then wonder why piss-pul avoid me. Think I should call muh blog 'Cunter-Non-Prodicktive? Of course, Weber’s came first. In connection with this, please see my recent blog post: The Battle for the IHR (posted July 17). That crooked old feeb [S]Willis Carto would rather me have it than Markie Weber. Watch me stomp muh not-so little Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt feeties!!!

    Mark Weber, for his part, has followed in the footsteps of historian David Irving, who determined after his 2005-06 stay in an Austrian prison for “holocaust denial” that there really was a Holocaust after all. Irving realized he would not sell any more books about the Nazi hierarchy unless he ties this hierarchy to the Jewish-approved WWII narrative, with just some small variations to create a sense of surprise for the public. Now do I know that for a fact? Well, no. I just don't like anyone who is smarter and more successful than me. Itz not as if I've ever written any books, best-selling or not. Anyway, according to this self-serving narrative of mine, Irving has flip-flopped since his arrest, but has now settled on the assertion that “The Nazis did murder millions of Jews” – and he is being mimicked by Mark Weber, who around that time began taking on the same view. Again, none of this matters unless you are one of us professional Holohoax deniers. Don't try this shit at home.

    Weber, like Irving, is also concerned with sales. He wrote in his “Relevant” article that “over the past ten years, sales of IHR books, discs and requests for interviews about Holocaust history have steadily declined.” [Not an exact quote - cy] At the same time, interest in Jewish-Zionist power and the role of Jews in society increased, he wrote. It didn’t take Weber long to go where he thought the money was – to switch the emphasis of the IHR in that direction. However, it didn’t pan out in the long run because it’s known today that the IHR, with Weber at the helm, is suffering a long-term demise, the cause of which is probably that it doesn’t stand for anything.

    When Greg Johnson began Counter-Currents Publishing two years ago after a short stint as editor at The Occidental Quarterly magazine (where they made Greggie wear The Pink Triangle), his views on the ‘Holocaust’ were not known, and certainly not an issue. I doubt that he had any defined views. Which was OK because when he kept his mouth shut then there was no slop taken out of muh trough.The Counter-Currents website is a blog that features articles on and by leading intellectuals of the “New Right” along with book and movie reviews. At the same time, Johnson announced that he’s the representative of something he calls the “North American New Right,” making a big deal out of a difference he sees in “New Right” vs “Old Right” (by which he means Nazism, Fascism, and similar movements of the 1920’s-40’s).

    In the article under consideration, Johnson writes,

    Originally posted by That Faggot Greggie
    The idea of ethnonationalism is true and good, regardless of the real and imagined crimes, mistakes, and misfortunes of the Old Right. Thus we feel no need to “deny,” minimize, or revise the Holocaust, just as the New Left felt no need to tie its projects to “Gulag revisionism.”
    Now do you see how shit has changed??? The Holohoax isn't for real or very important. No wonder both me and the jews are all upset over hearing this shit. In other words of my own making, real crimes committed by the Old Right (premier among them being ‘The Holocaust’) should be accepted by the New Right without trying to minimize or deny them. Johnson, the ‘New Right’ White Nationalist, has learned from Mark Weber, the revisionist, who wrote:

    .
    Originally posted by That Cum-cum-peting jewboyHolohoax Denier Markie Weber
    Holocaust revisionism is not the same thing as revisionism about the Third Reich or the causes, conduct, and consequences of World War II [which Weber likes to talk about-cy]. Nor does it constitute Holocaust revisionism to compare the Holocaust to other genocides or discuss its overall meaning.
    .

    Thus Weber and Johnson can feel free to talk about such things as genocide and WWII, and even Hitler [which are popular topics - cy], without venturing into the much more dangerous territory of Holocaust Revisionism. Who the fuck gave them the right to say anything they want about the Holohoax?

    Why did Johnson write about the “Holocaust” at all then? Inquiring Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-cunts want to know why Greggie is taking away my only reason to live as a walking old twat running around like a fly, eating shit and bothering people, wasting both shoe leather and air and totally unfit to fuck. The only answer he gives is this:

    Originally posted by that Rump-Ranger Greggie don't need Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt
    I simply wish to argue that Holocaust revisionism is not a necessary component of our intellectual project. We don’t need it. Which is not the same thing as saying that it is a hindrance, or that it cannot help under any circumstances, although I will argue that it is often a distraction.
    .

    SCREEEEEEEEETTTTTTCHHHHHH!!! This is exactly the reason Mark Weber gave for writing “How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?”

    Originally posted by That Cum-cum-peting jewboyHolohoax Denier Markie Weber kicked me offn Voice of ReTards
    Setting straight the historical record about the wartime fate of Europe’s Jews is a worthy endeavor. But there should be no illusions about its social-political relevance. In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help.
    But Johnson admits:

    Originally posted by The SoredMamzer Nazis would have made Greggie wear a Pink Triangle
    I have never been all that interested in Holocaust revisionism, simply because my main concern is with the genocide being committed against our own people today, not the real or imagined crimes committed by our people in the past. And the Holocaust strikes me as having little to do with the deep causes of our racial plight and even less to do with the solutions. [Compare this with Weber’s “there should be no illusions about its social-political relevance”]
    .

    Johnson wrote in a comment to Hadding the Loveless Mattoid Meercat/Baby-KAS Scott:

    Originally posted by Greggie will NEVER poik an Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt
    (1) Jews were singled out for especially harsh treatment by the Germans, and (2) countless innocent Jews lost their lives because of that policy. In the end, that is all one need claim to say that the Jews suffered their greatest tragedy at the hands of the Third Reich during World War II.
    Again, this comes straight from Mark Weber:

    Originally posted by That Cum-cum-peting jewboy Holohoax Denier Markie Weber. Did I ever tell you he kicked me offn' Voice of ReTards?
    Jews in Europe were, in fact, singled out during the war years for especially severe treatment.
    .

    And . . .

    Originally posted by Markie Did, Markie Did. Kicked my ungratefool skank ass offn' Voice of ReTards
    No informed person disputes that Europe’s Jews did, in fact, suffer a great catastrophe during the Second World War. Millions were forced from their homes and deported to brutal internment in crowded ghettos and camps. Jewish communities across Central and Eastern Europe, large and small, were wiped out. Millions lost their lives. When the war ended in 1945, most of the Jews of Germany, Poland, the Netherlands and others countries were gone.
    Gone where, he is not interested in looking into. Everyone knows that them Red Sea Pedestrians were all hiding out in a Volkswagen Beetle ashtray and writing Holoco$t whoppers with a ball-point pen trying to be the next Anne Frank. We will discover that the job is “too difficult” for this ex-revisionist. Rabbi Finckelsheenie'll tell you that I swallow. jewst not as good as Bryan Reo/SwordBrethren/SoredMamzer.

    Greg Johnson wrote in a comment to me on the article:

    Originally posted by I bet that if I looked like Obie-gender-bender that Greggie would be all over me like stink on shit
    Back in 2001, a very well-informed gentleman sat me down to explain Holocaust revisionism. The first words out of his mouth were, “No serious revisionist denies that a very large number of innocent Jews died as a result of the Third Reich’s policy of deporting Jews to concentration camps.” I said, “Stop right there. That’s all I need to hear.”
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    This “well-informed gentleman” just has to be Mark Weber. Just has to be. I ALWAYS listen to the voices in my head. Why didn’t Johnson identify Weber as his source of information? You will have to know Greg Johnson in the Biblical sense to know the answer to that, but it seems to me that Johnson simply doesn’t want people to know his methods of operation – that almost everything he does is copied from someone else; that he is not the “thinker” he has convinced so many people he is. Whereass, I'm a far better communicator. Everyone with any sense knows that I'm fucking delusional.

    And indeed, Mark Weber also copies almost everything he does from someone else, and has really no original ideas. Not like me and Hadding the Meercat/Baby-KAS. When we get done reading Henry Ford's "The International jew" we'll start in on reading the Tel Aviv phone book in a way itz never been done before. As I said, repeating what the Voices in My Head told Me, Weber’s whole current world view comes from David Irving, whereas it used to come from the revisionists Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, etc.

    Johnson mentions Weber once in his article and links to his “Relevant” essay, when he says:

    Originally posted by How cum the ADL hasn't kicked off Greggie yet?
    First, as Mark Weber has pointed out, the cultural and political power of the Holocaust is not the foundation of Jewish power, it is an expression of pre-existing Jewish power. Before World War II, Jews already had an enormous amount of power in the United States (see here, p. 9ff): enough power to deliver the United States into two World Wars, for instance. Jewish power was based on over-representation in banking, business, law, politics, academia, and the news and entertainment media.
    .

    How dare Greggie quote Markie Mark and Dr. Kevin McDonald? I think I'll get Bryan Reo/SwordBrethren to take down their web pages, then bitch some more about the ADL taking my web pages down. To be factual, revisionists with no other visible means of support don’t say the “Holocaust” is the foundation of Jewish power. This is a straw man set up by Weber to give him an argument for ditching revisionism at the IHR. jewst sayin'. But because the ‘Holo-hoax’ is not the foundation of Jewish power, is that a reason to ignore it and let it grow into even more massive proportions? It has rightly been called one of the, if not the, main pillars of the “blank check” Jews enjoy in the world since 1945. Johnson, basing it on Weber, here identifies over-representation in banking and other industries as what Jewish power rests on. Well then, what is the IHR or Counter Currents doing about Jewish over-representation in banking, business, law, politics, academia, and the news and entertainment media? What is Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt doing about it? Well, nothing, but I sure like making muh own straw-kike. Weber’s favorite topics are the Israel-Palestine conflict and Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich! When does the IHR talk about the Federal Reserve? Or go after real Jewish power? Did I perhaps neglect to tell you about how Markie Weber got me kicked offn' Voice of ReTards because of my screetching and lack of gratitude for being given a voice over there?

    The IHR and Mark Weber don’t address these “bases of Jewish Power,” except rarely, because they are too difficult. Flying through the air nekkid on a dustbuster with vibrating attachments is what is really really hard -- but it can be done. Weber gets by with just reading and passing around news stories about Israel and Adolf Hitler without any mental stress or hard work. Easy shit, unlike Rabbi Finckelsheenie and Bryan Reo/SwordBrethren reading Mein Kampf in the original Yiddish over on Talksjew. Please take note of how many times Weber speaks, in a 2009 radio interview on VoR, about not doing certain things anymore because they are too difficult. Here are two instances:

    Originally posted by Counting to 'two' is too difficult, which is why I don't believe 6 million jews died

    But it’s difficult to get people to accept because it’s true that National-Socialists were especially harsh in their treatment of Jews. Jews were rounded up, transported across Europe, put in ghettos and concentration camps – many Jews died in these camps. MILLIONS of JEWS lost their lives.
    It’s undeniable that Europe’s Jews suffered a catastrophe, no doubt about it. The extent is still questioned.

    It’s therefore difficult to persuade most people to accept that the Holocaust is a lie or a hoax.
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    See? How many fucking times do I have to play the "Theme from Perry Mason" until you fuktards get it? These are exactly the words Greg Johnson used in the latter part of his comment to me, continued from above:

    Originally posted by Greggie don't need Ol Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt's joisey-shitty Finckelsheenieite piglice Revisionism
    I didn’t need to hear any more [from the “well-informed gentleman" – Mark Weber] because he opened by admitting all the Jews need to establish that a great tragedy befell their people in the Second World War.

    […]

    Even if Revisionists refuted every single one of these [fake] stories, the Holocaust still stands because of that great big pile of dead Jews, which is never going to be conjured away — particularly by the morally obtuse quibbling about definitions offered by that retarded loveless mattoid meercat/Baby-KAS Hadding Scott. By the way, I support Harold Covington and Edgar Steele. So eat shit and die, Hadding
    .

    Mark Weber also said on the 2009 radio program linked to above:

    Originally posted by Actually it was in 2008, but I love to call anyone pointing out that I'm full of shit 'quibbling'
    Disputing numbers and methods of how people died comes across to most people as quibbling, when for most people the catastrophe was undeniably great enough that it’s hard to dispute that.
    Greg Johnson continued in 2012:

    Originally posted by Even Fearless Leader Pierce admitted that the Nazis hated jews
    So I just don’t waste my precious time on Holocaust revisionism, because no accretion of facts, details, etc. is going to alter the facts that the Germans singled Jews out for especially harsh treatment, and a great number of people died for no other reason than the fact they were Jews. That should be Holocaust enough for anyone.
    For my own part, I'm gonna bitch and kvetch a lot. White Nationalism can't simply do without us Holohoax Revisionists. We provide . . . something usefool. You tards really really need to be screetched at. A lot. I don’t think any quibbling, morally obtuse or otherwise, can alter the fact that Greg Johnson and Mark Weber are working together to sideline Holocaust Revisionism because they don’t want to personally associate with it but they do want to appear as being at the forefront – in the vanguard – of the fight for both historical accuracy and the moral high ground. I've been listening to Hadding the Loveless Mattoid Meercat/Baby-KAS -- a lot. I'm going to go over to phorafags/feebs and start muh own thread about "Urban Legends of the Holohoax Industry." I got muh tin-foil hat on straight. This makes me want to work harder, screetch louder, clench muh pussy muscles ever tighter than ever for the victory of Holocaust Revisionism (meaning by that the widespread acceptance that it is a hoax (*1) perpetrated by the still-enemies of true nationalism), and I must, simply must, must, must add that neither Greg Johnson nor Mark Weber are very knowledgeable about the subject. None of you will have any rest over this shit, doanchaknow.

    They are good at thinking about money however. It has come to my attention that Johnson is seeking 501c3 status [non-taxable, non-profit] for his Counter-Currents Publishing-North American New Right, just as the IHR has always had. The major benefit of this is that one can tell prospective donors (specifically large ones) that their donation is tax-deductible. I'd do this too, but the petty cash drawer of the Department of ZOGland InSecurity is paying for DaWhiggerNutwerk.com.munist

    I will probably write more about this topic in the future, with the goal of helping you, the reader, make informed decisions about where you want your contributed money to go. I will never mind my own business. I'm going to be stalking them fuktards Greggie and Markie and Voice of ReTards. I'll sneak in and piss in theyz' Poast Toasties. As we say on the radio, “Thanks for listening.” Now go lick muh Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt quim if you know what's good for jew.


    *1. The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, Arthur Butz, 1976. Theses and Dissertation Press edition, 2003. See? Footnote(s). They mean Ah's edjewmacated and shit.



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    • #3
      Greg Johnson is right that revisionism isn’t necessary to WNism. Don't bite muh meercat dick off Ol Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt!

      Greg Johnson is right that revisionism isn’t necessary to WNism.

      . . . Don't bite muh meercat dick off Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt!



      http://thewhitenetwork.com/2012/08/0...r/#comment-746
      http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6376#post6376

      There is an important dispute. I wish there were a way to deal with the arguments without making it personal. I don’t care about the personal stuff myself and have no intention of wading into that part of this disagreement.

      In looking to the arguments, my sentiment is that Greg Johnson is right that revisionism isn’t necessary to WNism in the sense that it needs to be brought to the front-and-center of our discourse for WNist to obtain power. There is a real-world example that seems to back up this position. In Greece, the NS-like Golden Party didn’t make revisionism part of their message to my knowledge, and Golden Dawn won power.

      Maybe I have a false impression, but many revisionists seem to regard revisionism as so important they comes across to me like they want WNists to lead with revisionism. They come across like they want WNists to lead with revisionism in their appeals to persuade people rather than lead with messages people are likely to perceive as more relevant to their lives and concerns. If this isn’t true, revisionists might benefit from fine-tuning their message.

      I can see where many people might consider revisionism necessary in the sense that the enemy will always make it necessary whether anyone likes it or not.

      The question is what to do about it?

      The GD leader Nikos Michaloliakos does not concede the essential truth of the narrative, but neither does he come right out and say “there was no holocaust.” Michaloliakos does not say this. He speaks in terms of 1) exaggerations, and 2) the fact that Jews were not the only group who suffered war crimes (an seeming implicit acknowledgment there were crimes against them), and 3) the Allies also committed war crimes, and 4) there were no gas chambers. While all of that adds up to a major challenge to the official narrative, again, I didn’t see where he used words like “the holocaust did not happen.” So if that’s the standard revisionists are demanding, absolute blanket denial in unequivocal terms, it does not appear even the NS-like, fascist GD meets that standard.

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      • #4
        Greggie, do you actually believe in the Holohoax?

        Greggie, do you actually believe in the Holohoax?


        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82136
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        Eric Hunt
        July 21, 2012 - 5:18 am | Permalink

        @Greg Johnson:

        Greg, you miss many points in order to defend your Mark Weber inspired positions –

        The Japanese were “singled out” in America to be put into camps as well. This is what healthy societies did to people they were at war with at the time. Why not bring that up when Jews bring up the Holocaust?

        - If the horrific photos and death tolls were mostly due to disease and Allied bombing, this implicates the Allies (Democracy and Communism) and “God”, who made those diseases!

        - Since the Holocaust is “The Big Lie” Hitler warned about, with tens of thousands of “survivors” playing their part in telling lies about escaping from inside gas chambers, being experimented on, etc., when in reality, every “survivor” was fed and clothed by the Germans, what better way to prove to our people WHAT the Jews are?

        There are many points in your article to dissect. I think some of the posters here have it better, such as referring to it as an alleged Holocaust.

        The Holocaust is a blood libel. Jews want the world to believe Germans are monsters, genetically capable of throwing Jewish kids into pits of fire alive.

        Did the Jews ignore their own blood libel, about killing Jesus, or did they work with Christian religious leaders to have them absolved, while creating their own reverse blood libel, “The Holocaust”?

        Greg’s advice is good for a white nationalist politician, such as Marine Le Pen, or a public representative such as Kevin MacDonald.

        But for most it’s a cop out. Notice how in the entire article Greg doesn’t mention if he thinks the Holocaust is bullshit or not.

        Greg, do you believe that more than 2 million Jews were killed with captured Soviet tanks, that about a million were killed with cyanide insecticide?

        Holocaust Revisionism has not succeeded in the same sense that White Nationalism has not succeeded. Lack of funding, lack of resources, lack of media exposure, and they haven’t gone on the offensive.

        That being said, Greg is right, that even if the Holocaust were 100% true, white nationalism is justified, and must succeed.


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        • #5
          I'm always amazed at how very fucking smart and shit I am.

          I'm always amazed at how very fucking smart and shit I am.


          http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82132
          http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6416#post6416


          @Random: For a lot of these people, simply telling the truth as a really really smart and shit loveless mattoid meercat sees it seems to be regarded as an undesirable option. It amazes me. Other whiggers getting pussy without having to go down to the truck stop and buying some from a nigger lot lizard. I've not had pussy since pussy had me, but I've studied a lot of 'training films' and am sure that I know how to do it like no one else, I'm that good. Did I ever tell you that I 'invented' masturbation?

          But they have Bob Whitaker leading them in their duplicity: “If you say six million Jews died then I’ll agree, but . . .” That might work in momentarily confusing and demoralizing somebody that is fundamentally hostile (until he pigeonholes you as an apologist Holocaust-deniers), but I wonder at what point, if ever, in Bob’s master-plan they start saying that they really don’t agree that six million Jews died. Nobody understands how an anal-retentive loveless mattoid meercat unable to win any argument without the benefit of censorship over on phorafags/feebs or Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt's DaWhiggerNutwerk can understand how I am so much smarter than you other fuktards.

          You really really do need to listen to me because I'm smarter than you and shit. I'm a higher-functioning meercat fuktard with nothing else to do with my pathetic life.



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          • #6
            Holohoaxer RevisiTards are necessary to Whigger Nutsionalism

            Holohoaxer RevisiTards are necessary to Whigger Nutsionalism


            http://thewhitenetwork.com/2012/08/0...r/#comment-751
            http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6389#post6389


            Lew – Thanks for writing your comment and I agree that this is an important dispute at least to fuktards without anything else better to do. I take it you are the Lew who posted quite a few comments to Greg Johnson’s original article at The Occidental Observer.

            You say you don’t want to get into the personal stuff, but I have to point out that my blog is more about why Greg Johnson wrote about Holocaust Revisionism and where he got his information about it, than about how well it fits into White Nationalism. Greggie is taking slop out of muh trough and pecker out of my snatch as a professional Holohoax Revisor. The “personal” cannot be ignored in the big picture — as character cannot be ignored — unless it is bad character by those on jewr side, like Rabbi MildSwill Finck-el-sheenie. He can murder all the prisoners as a joisey shitty jew-pig that he wants and as long as Finckelsheenie licks muh nasty ol' snatch and keeps up this web page, why we's jake.

            But based on what you’ve brought up in your comment, I have to say you are wrong about this:

            many revisionists seem to regard revisionism as so important they comes across to me like they want WNists to lead with revisionism.
            The truth is most “real” revisionists don’t care about White Nationalism and don’t care what it does. It is WN’s who care about it about as much as "real" revisionists care about WN. Did you notice any “real” revisionists (those who do research and write books and go ass-to-mouth with Rabbi Finckelsheenie) posting any comments to Johnson’s article? It is ZOGbot White Nationalists who are also revisionists (like myself and quite a few others) who care about how WN handles holocaust revisionism. We want it to be handled honestly, accurately and respectfully in a manner that keeps us even remotely relevant to anything.

            You are also wrong when you say:

            The GD leader Nikos Michaloliakos does not concede the essential truth of the narrative, but neither does he come right out and say “there was no holocaust.” Michaloliakos does not say this.
            Michaloliakos says the Holocaust is a hoax. In the video you recommended he was talking to the press and trying to get around their characterizations of him. But he still said it. Note he didn't mention anything about the necessity of Holohoax Revisitors but that is because the jews cut him off. He really gives a shit about Holohoaxer RevisiTards.

            However, this Greek is a poor comparison for you to use for Johnson, who not only rejects National-Socialism but even rejects political parties. And Holohoaxer RevisiTards.

            Lew, I invite you to come on my radio program (Saturday Afternoon with Carolyn Yeager) tomorrow to further discuss this important dispute. You can recommend another person of your persuasion to come on with you if you like. Not Mad Dog Lindstedt. He's a fucking maniac with something against Rabbi Finckelsheenie and the Mamzer from Mentor. You have to use Skype. Let me know with a reply right here as my email account is a bit mixed up right now. I have your email address and I can then contact you further.


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            • #7
              TOO Holocaust Debate

              TOO Holocaust Debate


              http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...ocaust-debate/
              http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6392#post6392


              California

              This essay by Greg Johnson on Holocaust revisionism has generated 750 comments at TOO.

              Note: NO FLAMING.

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              http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...comment-626569

              Greg lives in San Francisco.

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              Originally posted by Sean -- Cunthair's Meercat
              http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...comment-626576

              Greg is a sodomite, correct?

              Most gays I have encountered are extremely anti-Christian.

              http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...comment-626580

              Let’s not go there. To Sans Fagscrisco. Even though I brought this shit up.

              We’ve already had that discussion numerous times in the past. I just thought it was pretty funny to hear Greg the Swedenbourg Preacher Man.

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              http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...comment-626585

              They’re having a huge debate with Greg about the Holocaust at VNN Forum and Occidental Observer. I had no idea until I went over to VNN Forum to see if the Wisconsin shooter was one of their members. Good fucking shit, Maynard, lol.





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              • #8
                IMO, this is what the White nationalist position should be on the Holocaust.

                IMO, this is what the White nationalist position should be on the Holocaust.


                http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82107
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                Clytemnestra
                July 21, 2012 - 1:45 am | Permalink

                IMO, this is what the White nationalist position should be on the Holocaust.

                1) Always refer to it as the ALLEGED Holocaust.

                2) Remind people that the victors always write the history, so the only thing we can take from an event most White people had no way of personally witnessing is what the victors have to say about it. That makes the alleged holocaust the same kind of hearsay that any other victor’s account would be.

                3) Although an amazing number of alleged concentration camp survivors are still alive and remarkably healthy, most Whites were either not alive yet back then OR were too young to be aware of much less have much impact regarding the alleged event.

                4) The alleged event happened almost seventy years ago; how long are the Jews going to dine out on it?

                5) When is the media’s attention going to focus on other alleged historical atrocities like the Armenian genocide or the Holodomor?

                6) What do you mean by “Never Again?” How has never-ending obsession with the alleged holocaust of an estimated six million people stopped any other genocides from taking place?

                IMO, the position of WNism should be that racial and ethnic and religious cleansing has gone on since the dawn of time, what is so special about the alleged holocaust? NOTHING! Jews have been dining out on this alleged event for almost seventy years now and people are sick and tired of hearing about it ad nauseum ad infinitum.

                My problem with Holocaust Revisionism is, whether it corrects the historical record or not, it keeps the focus only on the alleged Holocaust, underscoring that only Jews are victims and only Jews are entitled to all kinds of reparations and special considerations.

                BTW, I feel absolutely NO White guilt for the alleged Holocaust. I was not alive back then. My parents were little children back then. My grandparents did not live in that country. Nor were they in any position to influence their American government’s position on Hitler and his antics.

                I also feel no White guilt about Negro slavery. My family never owned slaves. My ancestor was drafted into the Union side on the War Between The States. We were poor, working class yeoman who were too busy working and trying to take care of ourselves to keep the Black man and woman down. Ditto the Mestizos and the Indians.

                I think you would be surprised how many White Americans feel the same way. The only Whites who do seem to feel guilty about this state of affairs are the White elite. For some strange reason they like to stage this big mea culpa about so-called “White Privilege” and then exact penance from working class White people for THEIR sins.

                I would call it scapegoating.

                Isn’t that an old Old Testament thang?

                Screw that!


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                • #9
                  The mother of all lies

                  THE MOTHER OF ALL LIES


                  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82192
                  http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6397#post6397

                  john thames
                  July 21, 2012 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

                  Revisionists and white nationalists know that the Holocaust, the purported extermination of six million Jews in mythical “gas chambers”, is a hoax. But the hoax is not merely a question of what really happened to the Jews during World War Two; it is an issue that deals with the real nature of the world, the real history of many subjects and the probability of an alien design.

                  The first and foremost question is: Does the creation of a massive hoax confirm the charges of Adolf Hitler (and the identical charges of Winston Churchill and the American State Department) that there is an international Jewish conspiracy at work in the world? Did the United States fight the wrong enemy in World War Two? Was there a Jewish Communist mass murder machine operating in Soviet Russia? Did Jews world wide scream for war against Germany because the Jewish commissars were threatened? Were there Jewish influences (as well as imperial British interests) pushing Franklin Roosevelt in a direction he was already heading?

                  Did the Holocaust provide a camouflage for the invasion of Arab Palestine and the installation of the Jewish commissars in Eastern Europe? Was there collaboration between the western allies, the Soviets and the Zionists to move hundreds of thousands of very much alive Jews through the Balkans to invade Arab Palestine behind the cloak of an extermination hoax? If so, does this indicate a common ethnic power directing supposedly divergent philosophies? Was the United Nations set up after the war for the purpose of preventing another such supposed extermination in the future? Was the international organization sponsored by the same Zionists who created the defunct and failed League of Nations at Paris in 1919? Was the Nuremberg Trial actually sponsored by the same power that created minorities treaties and the Mandate over Palestine twenty-five years earlier?

                  In domestic terms, have the Jews been the ones sponsoring racial equality and diversity all over the globe? is this part of a Zionist scheme for global reorginization? Are feminism and abortion schemes for removing white males as potential obstacles to Jewish world rule? Are not the Jews pushing these schemes the same Jews who created the hoax of the six million? Why would Jews criminalize investigation into the Holocaust if these investigations do not threaten the very crux of Jewish power?

                  The Holocaust is truly the “Mother of All Lies”. It is far more dangerous than the Protocols of Zion because it demonstrates a Jewish controlling power that no claim of “forgery” can rebut.


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                  Hadding, you loveless mattoid meercat, shut the fuck up.

                  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82193

                  john thames
                  July 21, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

                  Hadding:

                  You know nothing about the Protocols. The forgery claim has never explained the predictive validity of the passages. Besides, the passages to which you refer are only a very small percentage of the work. It is possible that someone dressed up a genuine document to enhance the effect. That does not prove it a “forgery”. The Russian secret police were extremely incompetent and could never have devised the formulae contained in the Protocols. Kindly read Mr. Peter Myers analysis of same before you continue blabbing.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, Hadding, you loveless mattoid meercat, shut the fuck up. Henry Ford believed in The Protocols.

                    Yes, Hadding, you loveless mattoid meercat, shut the fuck up!!!
                    Henry Ford believed in The Protocols.. .
                    . . . So shut the fuck up you lying meercat cocksucker.



                    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82195
                    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6401#post6401

                    Anglo Saxon
                    July 21, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

                    Originally posted by Hadding the Loveless Mattoid Meercat/Baby-KAS
                    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82193

                    @john thames: Try Wikipedia. Yeah I know, I'm presently going ass-to-mouth with Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt Carolyn Yaeger on Da WhiggerNutwerk and have a show in which we go over Henry Ford's belief that the Protocols were legit. But I'm a lying little loveless mattoid meercat unable to do anything on my own and so I'll chirrrrrr, chirrrrrr, chirrrrrr on some other fuktard's shekel. Everyone knows “Jews control Wikipedia.” But the passages are cited and you can check them.

                    The Protocols question is deader than dead. Unless you can can get something out of pretending that they might be real.
                    @Hadding you fucked-up Loveless Mattoid Meercat: It would be better if you “gave it up”.

                    An ill-tempered “debate” was conducted at this website only a few months ago; arguing over the legitimacy and status of “The Protocols”.

                    I am with John Thames and all other realists. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are genuine. More genuine than the Holohoax. The only reason you are going ass-to-mouth with Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt and the gut-sick guido-kikenweasel with Crohns/jew ass-GAIDS is because they allow meercat droppings on theyz' respective tard corrals. So shut jewr little meercat yap before I cut out jewr little doughnut so that you can't spray no more against Greggie. The events and dominant directions of the 20th Century, when viewed with the benefit of hindsight, just proved that to be the case.

                    I cannot prove who authored them, and when. But that does not matter. Similarly, I cannot prove who or what created the clouds high above me, nor explain where they were created . . . but I can damn well feel the rain.

                    Equally, you certainly cannot prove the Protocols are a hoax. Nobody can. So, kindly cease and desist. You need to go over to phorafags/feebs and whine about how Harold Covington stole jewr fucking stapler and uses sock-possums and owes WhiggerSwill zillions and zillions of ZOGbux for some stupid shit in a protected environment over there.

                    Furthermore, and I have said this many times, to argue that they were plagiarized is a rhetorical nonsense. Cannot you not see this?

                    Plagiarization requires that an original must first exist. And to attempt a cop out by claiming, facetiously, that they were plagiarized from ‘other’ fictional works is just baloney. How many fictional works make an omelet? Besides, you and Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt Carolyn Yeager are reading some Henry Ford stuff and Ol' Henry believed the Protocols. In fact, Henry Ford had a half-million copies printed up and distributed, you lying little cocksucker. Our Fucking Weapon the Truth, indeed, you little lying Pierceite fukTarded weasel.

                    Much of the Bible has been plagiarized from ‘other’ fictional works yet whole nations have for centuries hitched their fate to it.

                    You are attempting to take us into Slick Willy Clinton’s realm of “I didn’t have sex with that woman”. The Protocols are real whether you like it or not. The shoe fits, and that is more than good enough.

                    End of . . . Loveless Mattoid Meercat droppings?


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                    • #11
                      Of Finckelsheenieite & PierceTardian Revisionism

                      Of Finckelsheenieite & PierceTardian Revisionism


                      http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6405#post6405
                      http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...comment-628846



                      I have been following this topic over on McDonald's blog, over on DaWhiggerNutwerk and now over here on Fade's Blog. Let's understand something: Carolyn Yaeger's and Hadding's cumplaints have only a little to do with Holohoax Revisionism and everything to do with alliances and old scores and what sides who are on.

                      I read Greg Johnson's Putting the Holohoax Aside like a snout-growing Esther-kikess and agree. jew-lies of around 70 years ago mean little to whiggers living today. Itz a civic kiken-hagiography that modern tards cannot even understand any more than Latin or Lutheran services down in High Deutch. Limited minds housed in pointy noggins can't absorb much of anything and that includes jew-shit. Besides, as a deep-woods Dual-Seedline Christian Identity pastor that knows jews are the literal misbegotten spawn of Satan, Hitler was much too nice on them dirty kikes anyway. My kind should have been running Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, I kid jew not. Then there really would be a Holoco$t, but one without lil' Anne Frankl getting to write a novella in ball-point after the war is over. This is not to say that I agree altogether with Greg Johnson, but to say that Holohoax kikeshit is largely irrelevant. What didn't happen before needs to really really happen for real next time.

                      But Carolyn Yeager wants to be a Holohoax Skrewler and so putting her out of bizness isn't going to make her any friends of Greg Johnson. Like Alex Linder after he snitched out Kommandork Bitch-tits Bill in Dec. 2009 in the Roanoak Sedition Trial and then got Roid-Rage-Retard Jim Giles to save Linder's Crohns/jew ass-GAIDS infected butt to whine about Greg Johnson being a faggot and to ambush pore Hunter, Carolyn simply gotta whine about Greg's sexual orientation. Never mind that to most of us Greg Johnson is where 'those people' belong, not bothering us homophobic maniacs in YHWH's Country, Carolyn simply got to put up a pose.

                      Well, Carolyn Yeager is a liar and a Finckelsheenieite Puerto-Rican jewlag Holohoax Denier. Not to mention MOB being correct -- a hypocrite and a censor.

                      Carolyn Yeager was taking up with the Mamzer from Mentor, Bryan Reo and this murderous sociopathic former Jersey City jewboy pig named William Finck. Finck murdered a Puerto Rican prisoner in shackles when he asked for a blanket. Finck ended up making a guilty plea to avoid a 30-year prison term and got 14 of which he served twelve and a half in federal prison.

                      Now killing Puerto Ricans isn't really much of a sin in DSCI eyes, but Finck lied about being a former pig and pretty much everything else. I ended up finding out Bryan Reo's/SwordBrethren's real name and so Finck and other marrano jewboy baal-priests aided Bryan Reo and Mike Delaney in taking down nine of my sundry web pages, forums, and blogs and those of others as well. Now when these censoring marrano mamzers and jewboys are whining about being taken down by the Ashkenazi Defecation League, many of us are dubious. By the way the supposed Canadian 'anti-censorship' whiner Paul Fromm gave support to these two in taking down my fourth web page hosted on iweb Frog Canuckistan. I've never had much use for Voice of ReTards since the Peter(less) Shaenk(Skank) daze or for Mikey-Kikey Jukes-Kallikak Conner/Cohen.

                      On November 21, 2011 I called into Yeager's "Heretics Hour" when she had MildSwill Finck-el-sheenie on for the umpteenth time:
                      Pastor Lindstedt: "This is Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt. Are you aware that your present guest, Bill Finck, spent over a dozen years in federal prison for murdering a prisoner in the Jersey City Jail?"

                      Ol' Finckelsheenieite Yaeger: "Meeeester Leeeeeen-steadt. You do yourself no favors by calling in like this. I'm gonna have to cut you off." Click.

                      This exchange was of course censored out altogether.

                      I had had some doubts as to whether Carolyn Yeager knew the past criminal history of the sociopath she was in heat over. I had no doubts after that. She knows that I am on to her and so I am routinely censored.

                      But she is revealed as a liar and a fraud. Someone who will lie and cover up and conceal criminal activity and then pretend to be a Holocaust Scholar is going to be challenged as to whether or not she will conceal crimes committed by those she claims is on her side. It is especially funny that she is concealing the crimes of a jew pig murdering a Puerto Rican for the hell of it.

                      Let's understand something: Carolyn Yeager is another lying meercat pretending to be a Net-Nutzi.

                      Insofar as Hadding the Loveless Mattoid PierceTard Meercat/Baby-KAS is cooncerned, he is another tedious-tard liar who will misquote, twist facts, make straw-possums, ignore inconvenient facts in order to make a point in itz own little pointy head. He stalks perceived 'Covingtonistas', real or imagined, and in the off hours defames Edgar Steele for calling Kevin Alfred Strom a pervert. Pretty much everyone in the bowel Movement thinks Hadding is a furtive meercat tard and wants to give it a good bitch-slapping and beat the shit out of it until it squeals for mercy and promises to shit the fuck up, permanently. Hadding can only survive in a censorship-tarriffed environment such as the "Urban Legends" phorafags/feebs thread and on DaWhiggerNutwerk. They are in as much love as an old maid and a meercat can be in love with no pokery involved.

                      I'm waiting with baited breath for Hadding and Ol' Finckelsheenieite to finish up with readings from Henry Ford's "The International jew" and to commence reading salacious passages from the Tel Aviv phone-book on DaWhiggerNutWerk.

                      I would like to close with a muzakal interlude:

                      We don’t need no Holohoax edjewmacation

                      (Sung to Pink Floyd's We Don't Need No Edjewmacation)

                      We don’t need no Holohoax edjewmacation.
                      We don’t need no Finckelsheenieite thought cuntrol.
                      No whigger meercats in the podcast. . . .
                      Carolyn, leave dem New Right faggots alone . . .
                      Hey, Carol, leave Greggie's faggots alone!!!

                      All in all itz jewst-a nother . . . Puerto Rican in the crawl.
                      All in all itz jewst-a nother . . . Puerto Rican in the crawl.


                      Hail Victory!!!

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                      • #12
                        I'm an AB_Normal Fuktarded Loveless Mattoid Meercat

                        I'm an AB_Normal Fuktarded Loveless Mattoid Meercat


                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82178
                        http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6472#post6472


                        Originally posted by Greggie is so tired of this turbulent Mattoid Meercat Hadding
                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82113

                        Hadding, you turbulent mattoid Meercat, I deal with your points in section 5 above, in the third point of the bulleted list. Or at least as much as I really want to fuck with it, anyway. Claiming that the Holocaust did not happen on the basis of a strict definition of the term (the plan to kill all Jews) strikes ordinary rational people who are not bowel-Movement tedious mattoid meercat fuktards as morally obtuse quibbling about definitions, which ignores the facts that (1) Jews were singled out for especially harsh treatment by the Germans who didn't really like them fucking kikes any more than anyone having to live with them does, and (2) countless innocent Jews lost their lives because of that policy. Yes, I'm going to get muh bunghole reamed by many straight young nazi men with mustaches and manly muscles who will make me sorry that I was an uppity bitch to ever consider saying anything about mythical 'innocent' jews. But I have a plan: In the end, they shall be applying a lot of them leather swagger-sticky thangs with manly vigor and make me moan like a bitch. So that is all that need be said about my motivation. Yes, it is an idiotic lie that is all one need claim to say that the Jews suffered their greatest tragedy at the hands of the Third Reich during World War II. But I'm not wanting you to beat my well-toned oiled ass, Hadding, because you are a pasty meercat fuktard who don't know how to be my kitten with a whip! Even if the genocidal intent, the gas chambers, the leather military B&D greatcoats, etc. go the way of human soap and lampshades, that fact that there sure are lots of whigger fuktards who believe this stupid shit is never going to disappear, so it is indeed fortunate that the fortunes of White Nationalism do not depend on Holocaust revisionism as practiced by you and Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt reading the Tel Aviv phonebook over DaWhiggerNutwork after you two exchange quasi-virtual heterosexual body-fluids.
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                        Originally posted by Hadding the Super-Dooper-Uber-Mattoid-Meercat
                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82115

                        @Greg Johnson: The principle that a clear discussion has to begin with a clear definition of what is being discussed derives from Socrates and Plato, who would too be porking muh mattoid meercat bunghole. I can chrrrrr! chrrrrrr! chrrrrr! with all the best and brightest of bi-curious meercats and even sluggish gerbils upon occassion. Staying in the realm of mushy, malleable terms, one can never really resolve anything. I'm going to be all over that fruited and nutted ZOG-plain.

                        Anybody who thinks that establishing what is to be proven is “morally obtuse quibbling” needs to be excluded from the discussion of adults. I'm going to take my bat and my balls and scurry back to muh blogs and VNNF/TGMNNF/GFRTCNNF where I can be protected from ridicule by the gut-sick kiken-weasel with Crohns/jew ass-GAIDS, er, Ulcerative Colitis/Aryan ass-GAIDS. That and my special edjewmacation reservation over on phorafags/feebs.

                        I don’t care that most people’s thought-processes are mush. Not when mine certainly are fucked-up to the max. I am not going to compromise for them. I need to have a special reservation where little mattoid meercats can't be hunted down, killed and eaten by bigger, stronger, smarter bowel-Movement predators. You can’t really win those people anyway, until you control their TV shows. I am interested in the people that are able to think that I'm able to think.
                        Originally posted by Greggie made fun of me
                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82169

                        @Hadding:

                        Hadding, I should have said “normal” people rather than “ordinary” people. jew're both AB_Normal and extra-ordinarily fuktarded. Normal people think that reducing the Holocaust death total to zero merely by stipulating a particular definition of the Holocaust is morally obtuse quibbling about definitions. Which it is. I'm not nearly interested in quibbling about how many shit-skinned, jewnibrowed mamzers from Mentor or Jersey Shitty that Old Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt Carolyn Yeager wants to cover up for when Rabbi MildSwill Finckelsheenie gets the notion that itz both bullet-proof and a Greek Skrewler. I think it is morally obtuse quibbling about definitions, which is something different than dealing with historical facts, namely the facts that the Germans singled the Jews out for harsh treatment and that many innocent Jews died because of these policies. I'm really really hoping that a lot of manly young nutzi skinheads will be going to Sans Fagscrisco to beat my ass for saying this shit again, cum-cum. Making fun of the Holohoax and how it never really happened: That is the worst thing that ever happened to the Jews, and this pissing and moaning about how what never happened must not never happen again, why it will continue to be a millstone around our people’s neck until we deal with the real sources of Jewish power and white weakness. Have you ever tied a millstone and a knotted cord around jewr nutsack, Hadding? If you have, you would know that millstones can be erotic. . . .
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                        Originally posted by Greggie to another mattoid meercat
                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82167

                        . . . My view is that H-revisionism is not part of an intellectually sound defense of WN, whatever soundness H-revisionism might possess as a field of historical research. . . .

                        You’re going to be dragged into that issue whether you want it or not.

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                        To respond that it has no relevance because you’ve drawn an imaginary chalk-line that puts Hitler (“Old Right”) on one side and Greg Johnson (“New RIght”) on the other is not going to convince anybody, for one thing because nobody, so far as I know, has ever used the term Old Right that way before. Of course this tactic of putting words in someone elses' mouth and by mischaracterizing their position is about the only way that I can win at any debate. Everybody who is a tedious mattoid meercat fuktard or a professional Holohoaxer Revisionist is going to see you as trying to dodge the issue and bitch about how you are taking slop out of theyz' troughs.


                        Originally posted by Greggie made fun of me
                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82169

                        Hadding, I should have said “normal” people rather than “ordinary” people. Normal people think that reducing the Holocaust death total to zero merely by stipulating a particular definition of the Holocaust is morally obtuse quibbling about definitions.
                        Okay so I am abnormal because I demand clarity as I define it? Why, oh, why, do so many normal people think I'm fucked up in the head?

                        You said what you meant the first time. Ordinary people means people who don’t do much thinking. Or it could mean people who are not tedious meercat fuktards who are fucked up in the head, but we won't get into that. The Holocaust story has been able to survive largely because people don’t want to think about it like me and Carolyn Yeager think about it all the time because there is slop in our trough for doing so. We are not normal like normal people. They would rather agree to give the Jews some money to take away the gory pictures than to investigate whether what is being said is valid or not. Simply telling kikes to fuck off is not an option. You do that then there is no need for Holohoax Revisionism. It is reprehensible the way you say that the Holohoax doesn't matter and to get over it. We want to whine that our thinking class has allowed the Jews to get away with this when the only reason for my existence is that I wish to replace them.

                        Any intelligent discussion of the matter must begin with a definition of what is being discussed and me getting to frame the conversation. If I don't get to define the parameters, my mattoid meercat ass will get whupped by any old oaf who doesn't give a shit about my chrrrrrring and kvetching and moral quibbling. The fact that a typhus casualty like Anne Frank can be passed off as a famous “victim of the Holocaust” shows that failure to think through what is meant by the word Holocaust, i.e. failure to define the term, is a large part of the problem. That and that most fuktards don't know that ball-point pens were not invented until after the War.

                        If you reject the proposition that terms have to be defined before a rational discussion can occur then I have to ask from what kind of sorry institution you got your doctorate, because, I'll bet it wasn't Mattoid Meercat jewnivershitty or Corn Cobb's jewnivershitty of Alex Linder. Heck, you probably went to the Crowder College Truck Driving Skrule and gradjewmacated with that half-bearded MD (Mad Dog) practiciser of 1635 Swedish Homeopathy. I'll admit that while you are manifestly able to churn out large quantities of verbiage as needed to meet word-counts and term-paper due-dates, you are not nearly able to pipe a tune to which me or any other mattoid meercats and meercunts are able to dance. Thus, in menstruating sorrow, I must chirrrrr that the foundation of clear discourse has somehow been neglected.


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                        • #13
                          The Counter-Currents Summer Fundraiser: The Costs & Benefits of Controversy

                          The Counter-Currents Summer Fundraiser:
                          The Costs & Benefits of Controversy

                          by Greg Johnson


                          http://www.counter-currents.com/2012...f-controversy/
                          http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6437#post6437




                          Jacques-Louis David, “The Death of Socrates,” detail, 1787
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                          1,438 words

                          Several readers have asked what happened to our summer fundraising drive. The short answer is that we hit a bump in the road. But we have stepped over it and are moving forward again.

                          Since our last update on July 18, we have added $5,482 to our total, based on 11 donations ranging from $2 to $5,000. Thank you to all of our donors! Our grand total is now $11,255.30.

                          Our goal is $25,000. We will keep you posted of our progress more regularly until we reach it.

                          Now about this bump in the road: Our second largest donor, and one of the donors we expected the most from in the long run, has withdrawn his support from Counter-Currents. The most immediate consequence is that this donor had promised a $6,000 matching grant to help us make our goal of $25,000 by August 11. Obviously, we are going to have to drop that deadline. We will end this fundraiser when we meet our goal, whenever that may be.

                          This is, obviously, a setback. It will not stop us, but at least in the short run, it will slow down our projects a good deal: we will be publishing fewer books; we will be organizing fewer and smaller events; we will be able to pay fewer authors and will have to give them less money per work; we will generally be playing it safe, financially speaking, for the foreseeable future. I will not try to shrug this off with some brave or flippant remark. It’s a disaster, given that we really do believe that we are helping lay the foundations for the long-term survival of our race, and we don’t have time to waste.

                          Why did this happen? Quite simply, it is the cost of controversy. On July 20, Kevin MacDonald published my essay, “Understanding the Holocaust,” at The Occidental Observer. In it, I argued that the Holocaust is one of the primary tools by which white ethnocentrism, pride, and nationalism are beaten down, softening our people up morally and psychologically for our ongoing dispossession. Thus if whites are going to regain control over our destiny, we need a response to the Holocaust. But I also argued that Holocaust revisionism is not an adequate response. Instead, I argued that the foundation of the Holocaust’s malign power is largely moral and psychological, namely our people’s grandiose tendency to assume and expiate unearned guilt, and that the only real solution to the Holocaust and other ethnic guilt trips (e.g., over slavery, the American Indians, etc.) is a transformation of white moral consciousness.

                          The essay sparked a great deal of controversy. There were more than 750 comments at TOO before they were shut down, and the discussion spilled over to other websites, where it continues to this day. Although I was heartened by the positive responses of Kevin MacDonald and the most astute commentators at TOO, I caught hell from some who thought my article too pro-revisionist and others who thought it too anti-revisionist. In addition to fundamental differences of principle, this debate has also churned up a great deal of ugliness and irrationality. All told, it was a very costly controversy.

                          So be it. For such controversies also have benefits.

                          First and foremost, Counter-Currents is premised on the notion that ideas matter. Ideas make history. Good ideas lead to good consequences. Bad ideas lead to disaster. Our race and civilization are perishing because our people believe and act upon bad ideas: whites do not think that we are a distinct people, with a distinct identity, unless it is something to apologize for; whites do not believe that we bring anything positive to this world; whites do not believe that ethnic conflicts are inevitable and are exacerbated when different peoples live in the same society; whites do not believe that it is moral to take our own side in ethnic conflicts.

                          These bad ideas are destroying us, and the only thing that will save us is accepting and implementing better ideas. But that requires discovering better ideas. And discovery entails discussion, disagreement, and debate. In the short run, this leads to hurt feelings and organizational upheavals — in short, the staples of the White Nationalist political scene. But it would be folly to shy away from controversy just to avoid unpleasantness. For in the long run, controversy is the way to truth, and living in accordance with truth is the only way our people will be saved. In this case, I argued that while Holocaust revisionism is a legitimate historical exercise, it has limited utility for White Nationalism because it does not get to the roots of white weakness and Jewish power, and we need to understand these things correctly if we are to change them.

                          Second, avoiding controversy is also bad from an organizational point of view. As a radical political organizer who was wiser than even Saul Alinsky once argued, there is a perennial temptation to try to make organizations grow by avoiding controversy, moderating one’s tone, and papering over differences. In the short run, such policies can fill one’s ranks with the lukewarm, wishy-washy, superficial, and duped.

                          But what good is it to attract followers who don’t agree with one’s fundamental principles or who lack the character to stick to any principles at all in the face of opposition? One’s energy will be increasingly spent fighting with one’s own tepid followers, and when one is forced to stand up to one’s enemies on a matter of principle — at a time when numbers would really come in handy — such people will all abandon you anyway.

                          So, in the end, the only way to create a really effective movement is to be absolutely clear and unbending on basic matters of principle. Such a movement will start small and grow slowly. But it will have the strength of unity, which will give it an advantage over much larger but less unified rivals.

                          Third, when the occasional politician or public figure transgresses the boundaries of political correctness, the same drama plays out with depressing regularity. His friends and allies cry, “How could you?” And the heretic hastens to retreat and apologize. He thinks only of the present friends that he might lose. He never seems to ask himself if he might be better off without people who are more loyal to the reigning lies than to their own friends. Nor does he wonder about the new friends that he might make if he stands firm: friends who actually agree with him on issues of fundamental importance. It takes courage to put matters of principle ahead of social relationships, but in the end, it is the only way to find social relationships that don’t require fundamental compromises of principle.

                          In short, we have faith that the long-term benefits of controversy outweigh the short-term costs. Thus I don’t blame our erstwhile donor. I can’t ask anyone to support ideas that make him uncomfortable, and it is better to discover one’s differences sooner than later.

                          But I need those people who agree with me to come forward and show their support. I also need the support of those who think that courting controversy is the right thing to do, even if they disagree with me.

                          Our fundraiser is almost half way to our goal of $25,000. A matching grant of $6,000 would get us most of the way there, as it did last year. So I am looking for a donor who will put up $6,000, or six donors who will put up $1,000 each. Please contact me at editor@counter-currents.com.

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                          • #14
                            I'm all for letting the truth cum out unless the jewboy involved makes muh beaver wettt.

                            I'm all for letting the truth cum out unless the jewboy involved makes muh beaver wettt.


                            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82309
                            http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6438#post6438


                            Greg Johnson knows next to nothing about the intricacies of “The Holocaust,” as is true of most people commenting here (Alice Teller is a good example). Hadding Scott, a nice loveless mattoid meercat with a facile forked tongue that knows how to please an Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt is an exception and he has made winning points against Johnson in every comment directed to him. That's why I have the little lying meercat over with me going ass-to-mouth on DaWhiggerNutwerk.

                            Johnson wants to take charge of something he has named “The New Right” for North America in a kind of conjunction with the British and European “New Right.” Did he publish this major statement here on TOO instead of on his Counter-Currents site in order to establish he has the backing of Dr. Kevin MacDonald, who has also stated his desire to keep “The Holocaust” at a safe distance? Probably. All of which goes to show that it is smarter to keep us lying old ZOGbot twats safely locked up in our own Free Range Tard Corrals, because we will turn on them like I did with Voice of ReTards.

                            Johnson’s lack of holocaust knowledge shows in his referencing the discredited Mark Weber who kicked my lying skank ass off'n Voice of ReTards as his authority on why “The Holocaust” is no longer important:

                            Originally posted by Greggie won't listen to Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt

                            First, as Mark Weber has pointed out, the cultural and political power of the Holocaust is not the foundation of Jewish power, it is an expression of pre-existing Jewish power.
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                            As though Mark Weber would know. And as if he has any plan at all to get at and weaken the foundation of Jewish power. Instead, it sounds like Johnson is listening to David Irving (along with Weber), and maybe a cursory look through the CODOH website, as well as the Irmin Vinson book, picking up a few half-baked ideas. Here is one: “I am all for collective pride and collective shame. But I do not believe in collective guilt.” Splitting hairs when there is no need to do so as I always shave my old withered-up beaver. There's nary a hair on that nasty ol' snatch.

                            Mark Weber stopped keeping up with holocaust revisionism 10 years ago, as soon as he decided it wasn’t important to him and his “career” anymore. He got his and I don't have and never will have mine. He doesn’t read the new books written by fuktarded crooks about it because he doesn’t care. So he can’t be considered an expert like me and Hadding.

                            Similarly, Johnson admits that “Personally speaking, since becoming involved with the White Nationalist scene, I have never been all that interested in Holocaust revisionism.” So what’s the big deal then? Why write about it? And if he writes about it, then why should I much care? Me and Hadding are determined to further marginalize ourselves to where nobody will invite us to cum-cum into theyz' web sites and for good reason. I bet that Voice of ReTards is pretty sorry that they ever let me have a show on their Internut Nutwerk.

                            Why the attention put on dismissing “The Holocaust” as irrelevant, at the same time that Jewish Power is revving up its creation of “Holocaust” museums, monuments, expanded school programs, and more hate laws and anti-denial laws in more countries of the world? When me and Hadding are gearing up to screetching the Good Screetch and ready to bite the jews on their collective Holohoax nutsack? Could it really be that Holocaust Revisionism is too much work to keep up with for those who want only to write book reviews, discuss culture and select the latest art print to post with their latest essay? And for those who haven't picked up on this screetch, let me pull a Linder on Greggie again: Greggie is a faggot. Why do you think he lives in Sans Fagscrisco?

                            I was very happy to see Michael Colhaze’ comment up toward the top as it made muh Ol' Finckelsheenieite Pickle-Cunt wettt and moist to be coonfirmed that the Holohoax is still relevant:

                            How can we ever leave the Holocaust unconsidered? It is one of their most effective weapons, and to obliterate it with irrefutable historical facts is an obligation for every decent human being.
                            I agree with above, unless it points to murders by the kikeishly cute, like Rabbi MildSwill Finckelsheenie who murdered a prisoner in the Jersey City Jail and got 12.5 years and becum a ZOGbot. Finckelsheenie makes me laugh and ovulate. When I'm around Rabbi Finckelsheenie muh beaver gits wettt, so fuck truth!!! Truth won't bring a kike finckelpole into jewr ol' whiggress dry hole. It does seem there is a natural distinction between those of German ethnicity and those of English/British when it comes to the importance placed on destroying the holo lies. It’s the Germans who carry the blood libel stamped on their forehead. I don’t think a single ethnic German should play any part in Johnson’s North American New Right. Instead, they should apply themselves to Holocaust Revisionism, full time, thus keeping me and my kind relevant as well as listened to for all the wrong reasons..


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                            • #15
                              jew're selling out Greggie -- and you didn't even give jewr mangina to TraitorGlenn Miller like I did.

                              jew're selling out Greggie
                              -- and you didn't even give jewr mangina to TraitorGlenn Miller like I did.



                              http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.p...07#post1422707
                              http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=6442#post6442

                              Germany is now in a life and death struggle with Jewish finance, and as of now it looks as if New York is winning:

                              On November 25, two days after a failed German government bond auction in which Germany was unable to sell 35% of its offerings of 10-year bonds, the German finance minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble said that Germany might retreat from its demands that the private banks that hold the troubled sovereign debt from Greece, Italy, and Spain must accept part of the cost of their bailout by writing off some of the debt.

                              Jewish finance in New York decided to pull out the club known as "history" to beat Germany into submission once again. As Dr. Roberts put it: "Germany, which has been browbeat since its defeat in World War II, has been made constitutionally incapable of strong leadership. Any sign of German leadership is quickly quelled by dredging up remembrances of the Third Reich."

                              Leadership in this instance meant that Germany was insisting that the bankers (i.e., Goldman Sachs) who sold Greece toxic financial instruments, which the previous Greek government used to disguise the real magnitude of her indebtedness, take a 50 percent haircut on their bonds. The idea of Germany insisting on shared hardship as the solution to the debt crisis was intolerable to New York's Jewish banking elite, hence the attack by NPR.

                              http://culturewars.com/2012/German.htm

                              Yet another example of why Grandma Johnson is wrong that we can just ignore and step over 'the' 'holocaust.' It's used to inculcate guilt. It's used to steal money. A friggin jewish garden weasel, itz. And Johnson would have us back down and look away and run away and cede the entire argument and moral claim. With friends like these, we don't have any friends.

                              And this apparently figures into his fundraising. But not the way he expected - if he is telling the truth, which I now unfortunately cannot say I'm sure of, since he double-talks to beat the band these days.

                              Look at how he misrepresents his 'holocaust' position, even as he claims it cost him his second largest donor.

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                              http://www.counter-currents.com/2012...f-controversy/

                              Now about this bump in the road: Our second largest donor, and one of the donors we expected the most from in the long run, has withdrawn his support from Counter-Currents. The most immediate consequence is that this donor had promised a $6,000 matching grant to help us make our goal of $25,000 by August 11. Obviously, we are going to have to drop that deadline. We will end this fundraiser when we meet our goal, whenever that may be.

                              This is, obviously, a setback. It will not stop us, but at least in the short run, it will slow down our projects a good deal: we will be publishing fewer books; we will be organizing fewer and smaller events; we will be able to pay fewer authors and will have to give them less money per work; we will generally be playing it safe, financially speaking, for the foreseeable future. I will not try to shrug this off with some brave or flippant remark. It’s a disaster, given that we really do believe that we are helping lay the foundations for the long-term survival of our race, and we don’t have time to waste.

                              Why did this happen? Quite simply, it is the cost of controversy. On July 20, Kevin MacDonald published my essay, “Understanding the Holocaust,” at The Occidental Observer. In it, I argued that the Holocaust is one of the primary tools by which white ethnocentrism, pride, and nationalism are beaten down, softening our people up morally and psychologically for our ongoing dispossession. Thus if whites are going to regain control over our destiny, we need a response to the Holocaust.
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                              And what response did you advocate? Giving in. You cede everything the revisionists argue, only to turn around and say none of it matters - we still must cede the jews all their H claims. And now you turn around again, and cite your mealy mouthed admissio that FACTUALLY THE REVISIONISTS ARE 100% RIGHT as though you agree with that position. Well, if you're not lying now, which I sure wouldn't bet on, it's just cost you money. Isn't that ironic, since your double-talk, your trimming, your hedging was supposed to produce more income, not less? You've done more damage to yourself than you realize, Johnson. You've shown you'll change your tune for money. You've shown incredible inability to read basic politics. And you've shown that when your errors are pointed, even by your fans, you will respond with female-hysterical ad hominems.

                              The fact-finders, who often call themselves revisionists, have well established the central claims on which the jew-communist agitprop term/concept 'holocaust' is based are big lies. These FACTS must be used to beat the jews' heads in. No quarter. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a weak analyst, and not someone who deserves support, but who deserves criticism until he figures things out and gets back on the right track.


                              Originally posted by Greggie the bitch
                              But I also argued that Holocaust revisionism is not an adequate response. Instead, I argued that the foundation of the Holocaust’s malign power is largely moral and psychological, namely our people’s grandiose tendency to assume and expiate unearned guilt, and that the only real solution to the Holocaust and other ethnic guilt trips (e.g., over slavery, the American Indians, etc.) is a transformation of white moral consciousness.

                              Right. Except I've destroyed this goofy argument you copied from known liar Jared Taylor. Where's the American white's guilt over what he's done to Iraq? You know - where over one million people have been murdered as the result of some jewish big lies about weapons of mass destruction? American whites, for the most part, have GLORIED IN this mass destruction. Where's this guilt complex whites supposedly have? How come it doesn't show up where they really are guilty? How come it only shows up where the jews WANT whites to be guilty? And it never shows up where the jews stimulate white-man bloodlust?

                              You don't any answer for these questions. They destroy your entire premise and show you and Jared Taylor to be plangent liars who refuse to address evidence that destroys your sick, pro-jewish big lies that whites are BIOLOGICALLY, GENETICALLY AND CULTURALLY DEFECTIVE.

                              Just admit it, Johnson. You're trying to sell out. How's it working out for you so far, big guy?


                              http://www.counter-currents.com/2012...f-controversy/



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