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    Understanding DSCI #8 -- Comparet: Historic Proof of Israel's Migrations

    December 18, 2012 11:00pm EST/10:00pm CST

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    Historic Proof of Israel's Migrations


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    In my lecture called "ISRAEL'S FINGERPRINTS" I have sketched briefly for you some of the Bible's evidence that the Anglo-Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic people of today are the living descendants of the ISRAEL of the Bible. This evidence was in the form of many Bible prophecies of Israel's future which have been accurately fulfilled by these nations, and by no others. If the people who have actually done all the things which God said Israel would do, and who have received the exact blessings which God said He would give to Israel - if they are not Israel, how could God be so greatly mistaken? No, God was not mistaken: He knew what He would do, and for whom He would do it; and by making good all His prophecies and promises, He has identified these nations as Israel.

    But there are some people who won't believe God, and will not accept His identification of these nations. In fact, one clergyman with whom I discussed this, minister of a church in this county, wrote to me demanding to know "what other historians of the time, in what books, chapters and verses, record their migration into Northern and Western Europe and the British Isles?" He is but one of many skeptics who ask this; and to these skeptics, the answer is, "Yes, various historians of those centuries have traced various steps of this migration." What I propose to do for you now is to trace this migration historically. Remember that, within the time limits which must necessarily be fixed on such a talk as this, I can only "hit the high spots" - you know how large a library can be filled with history books, so I can't quote them all verbatim. But I will have time enough to show you that the historians have traced this migration from Israel's old Palestinian home into their European homes as the Anglo-Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic peoples. Not under their old names, of course: but that, also is the fulfillment of God's prophecy that He would "call His servants by another name," and surely you now know that the Bible identifies Israel - and only Israel - as God's servants.

    The migration of the Israelites covered about 12 centuries, during which time they were mentioned by various historians, writing in different languages, during different centuries - and therefore mentioned under different names. Even today, if you were to read a London newspaper, a Paris newspaper, and a Berlin newspaper, all dated about the end of 1940, you would find that the British newspaper said that in that year France was invaded by "the Germans," the French newspaper said that the invasion was by "les Allemans," and the German newspaper said that the invasion was by "der Deutsch" - yet all three were talking about the same people and the same invasion. Likewise, we must not be surprised to find that the Israelites were given different names in the Assyrian, Greek and Latin languages. Likewise, even in the same language, names change from century to century, just as today, we never speak of "Bohemia," as it was called only a century ago, but only of "Czechoslavakia."

    You remember that the original 12-tribed nation of Israel broke up into two nations upon the death of King Solomon, about 975 B.C. The northern 2/3 of the land, containing ten Tribes, kept the name "Israel," while the southern 1/3, containing the Tribes of Benjamin and Judah, with many of the Levites, took the name of "Judah" after the royal Tribe. From that time on, they kept their separate existence until they were finally merged into a vast migration, as we will see.

    Most of the kings of the Ten-Tribed northern kingdom of Israel were distinguished more for their wickedness than for any ability. However, OMRI, who reigned from 885 to 874 B.C., was a vigorous and able king - although as wicked as the others - and this reign was regarded among the other nations of western Asia as the foundation upon which the national identity thereafter rested. The languages of that day spoke of a family, a Tribe, or even a whole nation as a "house" or household. If you have read your Bible much, you must surely remember God's many references to the "House of Israel" or "House of Judah" - meaning, in each case, the Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of Judah. But the phrase was also used in those days to refer to a nation as the "House" of a great king who ruled it. The Assyrians, among others, began calling the Ten-Tribed Kingdom of Israel "the House of Omri." In Hebrew, "house" was "bahyith" or "bayth" - in English usually spelled BETH and pronounced "BETH." In the related Semitic language of Assyrian, this was "BIT." The Hebrew "OMRI" was in Assyrian sometimes written "HUMRI," sometimes KUMRI."

    With this preface in mind, let us start tracing the Israelites from their Palestinian homeland, in the Assyrian conquest and deportation. In 2 Kings 15:29 we read, "In the days of Pekah, king of Israel, came Tiglath-Pileser, king of Assyria, and took Ijon and Abel-beth-maachah and Janca and Kedesh and Hazor and Gilead and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali, and carried them captive to Assyria." In I Chronicles 5:26 it says, "And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul, king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tiglath-Pileser, king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites and the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah and Habor and Hara and to the River Gozan, unto this day."

    Confirmation of this is found in inscriptions of Tiglath-Pileser which archaeologists have dug up and are in our museums today. One of these says: "The cities of Gala'za (probably Assyrian for Galilee), Abilkka (probably Assyrian for Abel-beth-maacha), which are on the border of Bit-Humna - the whole land of Naphtali in its entirety, I brought within the border of Assyria. My official I set over them as governor... The land of Bit Humna... all of its people, together with all their goods, I carried off to Assyria. Pahaka their king they deposed, and I placed Ausi as king." In confirmation of this change of kings, we read in 2 Kings 15:30, "And Hoshea the son of Elah made a conspiracy against PEKAH son of Remaliah, and smote him and slew him, and reigned in his stead."

    The conquest thus begun in the northeastern and northern parts of the kingdom about 740 B.C. worked southward, down to the heavily-fortified capital city of Samaria, which was captured about 721 B.C. Another king of Assyria reigned, by that time; 2 Kings 18: 9-11 records it as follows: "And it came to pass in the 4th year of King Hezekiah (of Judah), which was the 7th year of Hoshea, son of Elah, King of Israel, that Shalmanezer, King of Assyria, came up against Samaria and besieged it. And at the end of 3 years they took it, even in the 6th year of Hezekiah, that is the 9th year of Hoshea, King of Israel, Samaria was taken. And the King of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the River of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." We know that King Shalmanezer died toward the latter part of this siege, and the final conquest and deportation was carried on by his successor, King Sargon II. In confirmation of this, an inscription of Sargon II says, "In the beginning of my reign, the City of Samaria I besieged, I captured... 27,280 of its inhabitants I carried away."

    The deportation of a whole nation naturally took a considerable period of time. The journey had to be organized, with adequate supplies for each convoy on each stage of the journey, and proper organization of the places selected to receive them. We know that Sargon II did not hold "the cities of the Medes" east of the Zagros mountains until a few years after 721 B.C., so about 715 to 712 B.C. is the correct date for the deportation to Media. The places to which Israel was deported by the Assyrians can be summed up in brief as constituting an arc or semi-circle around the southern end of the Caspian Sea.

    This deportation took in the entire population of the ten northern Tribes constituting the nation of Israel. From this point on, the separation into Tribes is apparently lost, and it is as a nation that the Kingdom of Israel moved into its Assyrian captivity.

    This left the other 2 Tribes still living in the southern Kingdom of Judah. Assyria and Egypt were the two giant empires of that day, each seeking domination over all the smaller and weaker nations. Assyria had driven Egyptian influence out of western Asia, back to the continent of Africa, and had made all the smaller nations surrounding Judah into vassal states paying heavy tribute to Assyria. The brutal and rapacious character of the Assyrians made them no friends, and their vassal states were always hopefully looking for any means of escape from As syrian power. Egypt kept the hope of revolt alive by offers of military assistance to those who would rebel against Assyria. The death of a king seemed the most opportune time for revolt, since his successor would need time to get his power organized, and might even face some competition at home for his throne. Therefore, when King Sargon II of Assyria died, about 705 B.C., revolts began in western Asia, the Kingdom of Judah under King Hezekiah taking part in it, in the hope of military aid from Egypt (although the prophet Isaiah warned that the revolt would fail).

    The new king of Assyria, Sennacherib, set about recovering his empire; one rebellious city after another was reconquered, with the hideous cruelty characteristic of Assyria; and in 701 B.C., Sennacherib's huge army invaded the Kingdom of Judah; midway through it, they paused briefly to defeat the Egyptian army,; then moved on to besiege Jerusalem. None of the smaller cities of Judah were able to resist; 2 Kings 18:13 and Isaiah 36:1 say that "In the 14th year of King Hezekiah, Sennacherib came up against all the fortified cities of Judah, and captured them."

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    Then followed the siege of Jerusalem, which was ended when the angel of the Lord killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night, and Sennacherib gave up the siege and fled back to his own land. In confirmation of this, Sennacherib's own record of this says, "I then besieged Hezekiah of Judah, who had not submitted to my yoke, and I captured 46 of his strong cities and fortresses, and innumerable small cities which were round about them, with the battering of rams and the assault of engines, and the attack of foot-soldiers, and by mines and breaches made in the walls. I brought out therefrom 200,150 people, both small and great... Hezekiah himself, like a caged bird, I shut up within Jerusalem his royal city." Ancient kings were boastful of their victories, but never of their defeats: so King Sennacherib tactfully fails to state how the siege of Jerusalem ended. But he does confirm the capture of all the other cities of Judah, and the deportation therefrom of 200,150 people.

    Remember that all the people of the 10 northern Tribes were already settled around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the Assyrian deportation of Israel; now to them was added a large portion of the 2 southern Tribes of Benjamin and Judah; so that the Assyrian deportation included all of the ten Tribes and a substantial representation from the other two. These were the people who became your ancestors and mine, when they moved into Europe.

    Over the years, the increasing numbers of the Israelite tribes expanded northward along both sides of the Caspian Sea. They were not basically city-builders but farmers and herdsmen; Probably in the earlier part of their stay here, the Assyrians sternly discouraged the building of cities, which would naturally be fortified centers of resistance. As they were moved into this area, herded along as prisoners, robbed of all their belongings, they had to make themselves brush shelters or booths where they stopped for any length of time. Here in the southwest our Indians call such a brush shelter a "wickiup"; the Hebrews called it a "soocaw" - applying the name also to a tent. It was the only house a nomad owned. The plural of "soocaw" was "succoth." Gradually this was slurred over into "scuth," used of a tent-dweller or nomad, and finally became "Scythian."

    The great carving on the Behistun Rock made about 516 B.C. carried inscriptions showing the many different nations who were tributary to King Darius I of Persia. These inscriptions were written in Old Persian, in Median, and in Assyrian. They showed that among these were a Scythian nation called in Assyrian and Babylonian "Gimiri," which means "The Tribes." From "Gimiri" was derived the name of the "Cimmerians," who settled somewhat to the north and into the Ukraine. But the Behistun Inscriptions also stated that these people were called "Sakka,, in Persian and Median. Already the later names are beginning to evolve.

    The great Greek historian HERODOTUS, who lived from 484 to 425 B.C., and who is generally called "The Father of History," speaking of these people, says, "The Sacae, or Scyths, were clad in trousers, and had; on their heads tall, stiff caps, rising to a point. They bore the bow of their country and the dagger; besides which they carried the battle-axe or sagaris. They were in truth Amyrgian Scythians, but the Persians called them Sacae, since that is the name which they give to all Scythians." Incidentally, some of the magnificent carved walls of the ancient ruins of the Persian palace at Persepolis show illustrations of those Sacae, in their trousers and pointed caps', bringing tribute to the Persian king.

    We are now getting further clues to these people. Herodotus says that the Scythians or Sacac first appeared in that land in the seventh century B.C., which is the same period in which the Tribes of Israel we're settled there by their Assyrian conquerors. Their use of the battle-axe as a weapon is a carry-over from their history as Israel. In Jeremiah 51:20, God says of Israel, "Thou are My battleaxe and weapons of war, for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms." We will see later that the name evolved from SAKKE' to SAXON; and it is noteworthy that the battle-axe was the great weapon of the Saxons.

    These Scythians or Sacae lived up to God's description of Israel as His battleaxe and weapons of war. They became a military people of great power, who did much to break up ancient nations. The Greek geographer and historian, STRABO, who lived between 63 B.C. and about 21 A.D., says: "Most of the Scythians, beginning from the Caspian Sea, are called 'Dahae Scythae,' and those situated more towards the east, 'Massagatae' and 'Sacae'; the rest have the common name of 'Scythians,' but each tribe has its own peculiar name. The Sacae had made incursions similar to those of the Cimmerians and Treres, some near their own country, others at a greater distance. They occupied Bactriana, and got possession of the most fertile tract in Armenia, which was called after their own name, Sacasene. They advanced even as far as the Cappadocians, those particularly situated near the Euxine Sea (today called the Black Sea), who are now called 'Pontici.'

    This was but the early part of their expansion, however. When a century had elapsed since their deportation to this land of Scythia, they had grown strong enough to begin the long series of harassing wars against their conquerors, the Assyrians. They lacked the strength to capture the powerfully fortified group of cities about the Assyrian capital; and in turn, their nomadic habits made it easy for them to retreat before a too-powerful Assyrian army. But generations of this constant warfare wore down the Assyrians, "bled them white," so that when the Medes finally overran Assyria and captured Nineveh in 612 B.C., their victory was a fairly easy one against the exhausted Assyrians.

    From this point on, I could refer you to just one historical work which fully traces the Scythians on to their settlement in England as the Anglo-Saxons. "A History of the AngloSaxons," by Sharon Turner does a magnificent job of this. As most of you know, I am a lawyer by profession: and a lawyer soon learns to distinguish between the man who actually knows the facts and the man who is merely repeating hearsay - that is, gossip and rumor he has heard from others - and how do we know whether these others actually know what they are talking about? Unless a man has seen the occurrence with his own eyes, his ideas on the subject are no better than the accuracy of the information he has received. Now no historian living in our times can have any personal knowledge of what happened 2,000 years ago, so his writings can be no better than the source material he has obtained from people who lived and wrote at a time when accurate information could still be had. Most modern history books are based on rather scanty documentation from early sources, as it is so much easier for one historian to copy from another. But Sharon Turner's "History of the Anglo-Saxons" is one of the most thoroughly documented historical studies ever produced, and its reliability is beyond question. He traces the Anglo-Saxons of Britain back to the Scythians; unfortunately, he doesn't go the one step further and trace the Scythians back to Israel; but we can do that from other sources.

    But let us go back to the Scythians, as the people of Israel became known in the land to which they were deported. Diodorus Siculus, a Greek historian who lived in the times of Julius and Augustus Caesar, says this: "The Scythians anciently enjoyed but a small tract of ground, but (through their valor) growing stronger by degrees, they enlarged their dominion far and near, and attained at last to a vast and glorious empire. At the first, a very few of them, and those very despicable for their mean origin, seated themselves near to the River Araxes. Afterwards, one of their ancient kings, who was a warlike prince and skillful in arms, gained to their country all the mountainous parts as far as to Mount Caucasus... Some time afterwards, their posterity, becoming famous and eminent for valor and martial affairs, subdued many territories... Then turning their arms the other way, they led their forces as far as to the River Nile, in Egypt."

    Other historians record that BLOND SCYTHIANS made an expedition against Palestine and Egypt about 626 B.C. The town of Scythopolis, in the Jordan valley, is named for a settlement made on this raid. But to continue with Diodorus Siculus, he says, "This nation prospered more and more, and had kings that were very famous; from whom the SACANS and the Massagetae and the Arimaspians, and many others called by other names derive their origin. Amongst others, there were two remarkable colonies that were drawn out of the conquered nations by those kings: the one they brought out of Assyria and settled in the country lying between Paphlagonia and Pontus; the other out of Media, which they placed near the River Tanais which people are called Sauromatians."

    Note how God's destiny for these people worked. They would not leave behind any pockets of their people in the lands where their conquerors had settled them; but when they had gained great power, they came back and picked up any who remained, taking them into the migrating mass. Likewise, history records that they raided Babylon, after its overthrow by the Medes and Persians, carrying off with them such of the people of Judah and Benjamin as were not going back to Jerusalem.

    Even in early times, before the final mass movement into Europe, the Scythians had begun their march to their new homelands, where some of them had already arrived before the beginning of the Christian Era. Pliny the Elder, a Roman historian who lived from 23 to 79 A.D., says this: "The name 'Scythian' has extended in every direction, even to the Sarmatae and the GERMANS; but this ancient name is now only given to those who dwell beyond those nations, and live unknown to nearly all the rest of the world... Beyond (the Danube) are the people of Scythia. The Persians have called them by the general name of Sacae, which properly belongs only to the nearest nation of them. The more ancient writers give them the name of Aramii (Arameans). The multitude of these Scythians is quite innumerable; in their life and their habits they much resemble the people of Parthia (Persia). The Tribes among them that are better known are the Sacae, the Massagetae, the. Dahae,..." etc.

    Others have noted this early migration into Germany. For example, Herodotus mentions a migration and settlement of a people he calls the Sigynnoe, who themselves claimed to be colonists from Media, and who migrated as far as the River Rhine. (Remember that among the places the Israelites were resettled were "the cities of the Medes!")

    Also note that Pliny the Elder said that "The more ancient writers give them the name of Aramii" - that is, "Aramean," in modern language called "Syrian." In Deuteronomy 26:5, every Israelite was commanded to confess that "A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt and sojourned there with a few, and became a nation, great, mighty and populous." Hence, such ancient writers could correctly identify the Israelite Scythians as "Arameans," for they had come from a land which was part of Syria.

    Among the Tribes of the Scythians, the Massagetae attracted the notice of all the ancient historians, by their numbers and warlike ability. Those who described them in more detail divided them into the Massagetae and Thyssagetae; and the "getae" part of the name soon evolved into "Goth"; the Massagetae were the Greater Goths and the Thyssagetae were the Lesser Goths. Thus we already find among the Scythians names we can identify as the people who later conducted the great migrations into Europe. The Goths, as we know, were later called "Ostrogoths," meaning "East Goths," and "Visigoths," meaning "West Goths."

    But to go back a few centuries, the Sacae were allies of the Medes and Persians in the attack upon Babylon, in 536 B.C. Remember that God had said that Israel was "My battleaxe and weapons of war; for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms." So God had used Scythian Israel to maintain constant war against Assyria for nearly a century, until Assyria was too weakened to resist the Medes and Persians; then God used Scythian Israel, the Sacae, to help in the conquest of Babylon, when its time had come. Later, King Cyrus of Persia was foolish enough to try to conquer his former allies, the Sacae; but he was killed in the battle. King Darius also tried to conquer them, but they being a nomadic people, retreated before his massive armies until he gave up and retired.

    Professor George Rawlinson says that the original development of the Indo-European language took place in Armenia - which, you will remember, was at that time occupied by "Scythian" Israel. Certainly from these people we can trace the introduction of this language into Europe.

    This powerful and increasingly numerous people there-after spread further north, both east and west of the Caspian Sea. To the west of it, they penetrated into the Volga and Don River Valleys as the Sauromatians and the Royal Scyths - nomadic peoples. To reach these lands, they had come up through the Caucasus Mountains by a great pass which is today occupied by the Georgian Military Road. Perhaps the Communists have changed the name of this pass in recent years, but from ancient times until within our own lifetimes this pass was known as "The Pass of Israel." The White Race of Europe is often called "Caucasian" because the ancestors of many of them did thus come out of the Caucasus Mountains.

    When Alexander the Great began his great marauding expedition across western Asia and as far as India, he had to skirt the edge of the lands held by the Scythians. In his limitless vanity and ambition, he wanted also to conquer them; but it is recorded that their ambassadors said that they would never surrender to him; that they were nomadic peoples who, if they could not resist, could retreat indefinitely before his armies; and they had no wealthy cities for him to occupy and loot. Alexander invaded their lands long enough to fight one severe battle with them, defeating the Scythian forces he met; but this was evidently just as a lesson to them not to attack the flanks of his forces, for he led his forces out of their territory and never returned to the attack.

    Remember that Israel is "God's battleaxe and weapons of war." They had already weakened Assyria, and as allies of the Medes and Persians had helped overthrow Assyria and Babylon. They had beaten off attempts of the Persians to conquer them. In the article "Scythians," Chambers' Encyclopedia (1927) records that "The Scythians, after about 128 B.C. overran Persia, routed several Persian armies, and levied tribute from the Persian kings. During the first century before and the first century after Christ, hordes of Scythians, having overthrown the Bactrian and Indo-Greek dynasties of Afghanistan and India, invaded northern India: and there they maintained themselves with varying fortune for five centuries longer... The Jats of India and the Jajputs have both been assigned the Scythian ancestry." Madison Grant writes that "Ancient Bactria maintained its Nordic and Aryan aspect long after Alexander's time, and did not become Mongolized and receive the sinister name of Turkestan until the seventh century (A.D.)... The Saka were the blond peoples who carried the Aryan language to India."

    A land so vast, and not the original home of the Israelite Scythians, but already having some inhabitants when they were settled there, must of course show varying types of people. The Nordic or Aryan Israelite Scythians conquered these other races. While some speak of a Mongoloid type found in some parts of Scythia, ancient writers pretty well agree that the dominant Sakka or Massagetae Scythians were a Nordic people. Dr. Hans Gunther, professor at Berlin University, in his "Racial Elements of European History," published in the 1920s, says: "The investigations into the traces left behind them by that wide-spread Nordic people, the Sacae (Scythians), with its many tribes, are well worthy of attention. It had been living on the steppes of southeastern Europe, and spread as far as Turkestan and Afghanistan, and even to the Indus. The ancient writers, such as Polemon of Ilium, Galienos, Clement of Alexandria and Adamantios, state that the Sacae were like the Kelts and Germans, and describe them as ruddy-fair. The Scythian tribe of the Alans are also described as having a Nordic appearance. Ammianus (about A.D. 330-400) calls them 'almost all tall and handsome, with hair almost yellow, and a fierce look."'

    We have seen that the names of the Massagetac and the Thyssagetae evolved into Goths, the Ostrogoths (or East Goths) and Visigoths (or West Goths). The historican Ptolemy, who died about 150 A.D., mentions a Scythian people, descended from the Sakae, by the name of SAXONS, who had come from Media. Albinus, who lived in the first century B.C., also says, "The SAXONS were descended from the ancient Sacae in Asia, and in process of time they came to be called SAXONS." Prideaux reports that the Cimbrians came from between the Black and Caspian Seas, and that with them came the ANGLI.

    We are now well into established European history. By the beginning of the 4th century A.D., many of the Goths were already Christians. In the 4th century, there were several collisions between Visigoths and Rome, and in 410 the Visigoths became the masters of Italy and captured Rome. Later, they moved on into southern France and northern Spain where they settled permanently. The Ostrogoths settled in what is modern Hungary about 455 A.D.; under Theodoric the Great, they conquered Italy about 493, and set up an Ostrogoth kingdom in Italy, which, however, was short-lived. Their descendants are the fair-skinned and blond Italians of northern Italy. But the Goths had ended the Roman Empire: "God's battleaxe" again destroying the kingdoms of the Babylonian order of empires.

    The Angli and the Saxons moved up the Danube Valley and settled in Germany and along the Baltic shores, as is well known; and from there, the Jutes, Angles and Saxons colonized England after the Roman legions were withdrawn in A.D. 408.

    Actually, the earliest waves of migration penetrated to the farthest edges of the European continent - partly because they could move through nearly empty lands, without meeting any peoples strong enough to effectively resist them, partly because they were pushed farther by the later waves of Israelite migration coming behind them. Hence, we find the settlement of the Scandinavian Penninsula pretty well completed before the arrival of the Jutes, Angles and Saxons along the southern shores of the Baltic Sea.

    The Tribes which settled along the shores of the Baltic were a great maritime people - as some of the Israelites had been, even when still in Palestine, and as God had prophesied. The Jutes, Angles and Saxons came from the Baltic Sea area, but their ocean-borne raids on England were heavy and continuous; later, by invitation of the British, they settled along the eastern shores, in East Anglia, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex, Wessex, Essex, and Kent.

    William the Conqueror invaded England in 1066, with the Normans; they were actually Norse Vikings who had settled on the coast of France in the province of Normandy: "Norman" being really derived from "Norseman."

    So we see that the migrations of Israel, first into Scythia, expanding there, then gaining the names of Goths, Angli and Saxons, and under those names moving into their present European homelands, is a well-established historical fact. There is also the fascinating story of the early migrations by sea, but that is another subject in itself.


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    THE SONS OF GOD

    The highest destiny set before any man is to be recognized as a son of God: nothing else could equal this. Since it is mentioned in the Bible, the major churches have not been able to entirely overlook it; neither have they been able to understand it. In some very vague and general way, they have decided that we are eventually to become "sons of God" by some process which they call "adoption." A lot of fuzzy thinking has developed around that unfortunate use of the word "adoption" - which word is not in the original language from which our translations are made. It is a translator's unfortunate attempt to express his understanding - or, rather, MISunderstanding - of what he thought was meant, rather than what was SAID. What the original language refers to is NOT the adoption of a stranger, but the coming-of-age ceremony for a lawful son. The Apostle Paul's choice of words has often made his writing hard to understand for those who do not know the things he is talking about - as even the Apostle Peter commented in 2 Peter 3:15-16. Some of the modern English translations make Paul's meaning much clearer than the earlier versions: Moffat, Weymouth, and The Twentieth Century New Testament, for example, have a more correct rendering on this point. Galatians 3:23-26 and 4:1-7 has been the basis for this misunderstanding about "adoption." In Moffatt's modern English translation, it reads thus:
    "Before this faith came, we were confined by the Law, and kept under custody, in prospect of the faith that was to be revealed; the Law thus held us as wards in discipline till such time as Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. But faith has come, and we are wards no longer: YOU ARE ALL SONS OF GOD by your faith in Christ Jesus.. What I mean is this: as long as an heir is under age, there is no difference between him and a servant, though he is lord of all the property; he is under guardians and trustees till the time fixed by his father. So with us. When we were under age, we lived under the thraldom of the Elemental spirits of the world; but when the time had fully expired, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, to ransom those who were under the Law, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE OUR SONSHIP. IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE SONS that God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!' So you are servant no longer, but son; and as son, you are heir, all owing to God."
    The Twentieth Century New Testament translates it, "so that we might receive the privileges of sons." Weymouth translates it, "so that we might receive recognition as sons."

    "Adoption" could not possibly be a true translation, as the general context forbids it. A stranger is not "lord of all the property" already, before his adoption; neither is he "under guardians and trustees." But one who is a true son and heir by birth is in just this situation when he is still a minor: he cannot yet take possession of what he has inherited until he becomes of age. Note how Paul emphasizes that "It is because you ARE sons that God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying 'Abba! Father!'"

    How did we become sons? And how long have we been sons? Long before Adam. Luke 3: 38 tells us that Adam was a SON of God. But even before the foundation of the earth, God made us sons. We read in Ephesians 1:3-5 (and again the modern English translations are more accurate):

    "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in Christ has blessed us with every spiritual blessing within the heavenly sphere! He chose us in Him ere the world was founded, to be consecrated and unblemished in His sight, destining us in love to be His sons through Jesus Christ." (Moffaff.) This is confirmed again in the 38th chapter of Job, where God asks of Job, "Where wast thou when I founded the earth?... When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" And in the original Hebrew, God adds, in verse 21. "Thou knowest, for then hadst thou been born, and in number thy days are many!" These "sons of God" who were present at the creation of the earth and shouted for joy were not angels, for in Hebrews 1:5 it asks, "For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father and he shall be to Me a Son?" No, it is clear that the angels are not sons of God; but "ALL the SONS of God shouted for joy" when the earth was made.

    Again we have recognition that we are the sons of God, in the 82nd Psalm. A little of its meaning is lost in the older translations, through their failure to use the Hebrew word "Elohim," meaning "Gods."
    "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; He judgeth among the Elohim. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are ELOHIM: AND ALL OF YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O Elohim! Judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."
    When the Jews accused Jesus Christ of blasphemy because He said that God was His Father, He quoted this Psalm, saying: "Is it not written in your law, I said YE ARE GODS (ELOHIM)?" He called them gods unto whom the word of God came. (John 10:34-35)

    The 82nd Psalm rebukes us for not having properly performed our duty to judge the world. Its prophecy that we shall inherit all nations is correct: as members of the Body of Christ, with Jesus Himself as the Head, we shall inherit the nations. Psalm 2:8-9 quotes a decree that was proclaimed by Jesus Christ: "Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." But Revelation 2:26-27 is spoken by Jesus Christ, to us: "And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father." So there can be no doubt that in the 82nd Psalm we are called Gods, Elohim, and children of the Most High, even while we are still in our mortal bodies.

    We are sons of God because we are born of Him, not strangers who are merely adopted. First John 2:29 and 3:1-2 tells us so: "If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is BORN OF HIM. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him..."

    This is what Jesus Christ was speaking of in a passage which is badly misunderstood because it is badly mistranslated: it is John 3:1-8, which tells of the visit of Nicodemus to Jesus Christ, and it misquotes Jesus as saying that "you must be born again" - from which fanciful doctrines of "the second birth" have been taken. But the original Greek from which this was mistranslated says: "Verily, verily I say to thee, If anyone is not born FROM ABOVE, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus says to Him, How is a man able to be born, being old? Is he able to enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily I say to thee, If anyone is not born of water AND THE SPIRIT, he is not able to enter into the Kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh; and THAT WHICH HAS BEEN BORN OUT OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. Do not wonder that I said to you, You must be born FROM ABOVE." It was only Nicodemus who misunderstood and talked of being born AGAIN; Jesus Christ never said this, but spoke only of being born FROM ABOVE, born OF THE SPIRIT. You are not somebody else's illegitimate offspring who can only hope to be adopted: you are God's own children BY BIRTH OUT OF THE SPIRIT. Now do you think that you have any need to worry about Russia and what it will try to do to you? Our Father, the one true God, will take care of His own children.

    We are already the children of God, not by some process of adoption of a stranger, but because we are His children by birth, born of the Spirit. This is almost too big an idea for the human mind to grasp. Think what a marvelous position we are in! And think also of the solemn responsibility that position carries!

    Jesus Christ, Himself, calls us His brothers! He is the first-born Son of God; and we His younger brothers and sisters. Colossians 1:15-17 tells His position (I like Smith and Goodspeed's translation of it): "He is a likeness of the unseen God, born before any creature: for it was through Him that everything was created in heaven and earth - the seen and the unseen, angelic thrones, principalities, do-minions and authorities - all things were created through Him and for Him. He existed before all things, and He sustains and embraces them all."

    So, in Hebrews 2:10-12, 14-18 we read that Jesus Christ calls us His brethren: "In bringing MANY SONS to glory, it was befitting that He for whom and by whom the universe exists should perfect the Prince of their salvation by suffering. So Sanctifier and sanctified have all one origin. That is why He is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, I will proclaim Thy name to My brothers: in the midst of the church I will sing of Thee... Since the children then share flesh and blood, He Himself participated in their nature, so that by dying He might crush him who wields the power of death (that is to say, the devil) and release from thraldom those who lay under a life-long fear of death. (For it is not angels that He succours, it is the offspring of Abraham.)

    He had to resemble His brothers in every respect, in order to prove a merciful and faithful High Priest in things divine, to expiate the sins of the people; it is as He suffered by His temptations that He is able to help the tempted" (Moffatt).

    The Bible emphasizes this close relationship: in Ephesians 5:30 it tells us that "we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." We are the children, the family or household of God. So in Hebrews 3:5-6, we are told, "Now the faithfulness of Moses in all the house of God was that of a servant, in faithfully repeating what he was told to say; but Christ's faithfulness was that of a Son set over the house of God. And we are that house, if we keep up our courage and our triumphant hope to the very end" (Smith and Good-speed). The word here translated "house" is the Greek word "oikia" - here it does not mean "house" in the sense of a building, but "household" or "family."

    So also where Jesus Christ said, "In My Father's house are many mansions" (John 14: 2) the same word is used. The meaning may well be, "In My Father's household are many mansions or temples for His spirit." We are told that each of us is a temple of God. In 1 Corinthians 3: 16 it says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?" Again, in 2 Corinthians 6:16-18, we are told: "What agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore, come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

    Then what is our destiny? Wonderful: greater than we can yet understand. The angels, whose power is so much greater than anything we have seen, greater than atomic bombs, are sent to help us. In Hebrews 1: 14 we are assured that "all angels are merely spirits in the divine service, commissioned for the benefit of those who are to inherit salvation" (Moffatt).

    We are to become more like Jesus Christ. It tells us, in Ephesians 4:11-13, that "He has given us some men as apostles, some as missionaries, some as pastors and teachers, in order to fit His people for the work of service, for building the body of Christ, until we all attain unity in faith, and in the knowledge of the Son of God, and reach mature manhood and that full measure of development found in Christ" (Smith and Goodspeed).

    Under Jesus Christ as our Head and Lord, we are to become the rulers and judges of the world - indeed, even judges of the angels: 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 says, "Do you not know that God's people are to be the judges of the world? And if the world is to come before you for judgment, are you unfit to decide the most trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to be the judges of angels, to say nothing of ordinary matters?"

    Again, in Hebrews 2:5-9, it says: "For the world to come, of which I am speaking, was not put under the control of angels. One writer, as we know, has affirmed 'What is man, that Thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that Thou carest for him? For a little while Thou hast put him lower than the angels; crowning him with glory and honour, putting all things under his feet.' Now by putting all things under him, the writer meant to leave nothing outside his control. But as it is, we do not yet see all things controlled by man; what we do see is Jesus who was put lower than the angels for a little while to suffer death, and who has been crowned with glory and honour, that by God's grace He might taste death for everyone" (Moffatt).

    Do you realize what a tremendous future our God and Father has set before us? This is the same thing which Jesus Christ promised us in the Book of Revelation, where, in chapter 2:26-27, He says, "He that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father."

    With all the power of God in back of us to carry out His promises to us, His children, how can we take a gloomy or despairing view of the troubles of the day? Can Russia prevail against God? No sincere Christian could ever say "Better Red than dead." All the powers of hell are mobilized against us, we know: but we also know that they are destined to failure. in Romans 8:28-33. it assures us: "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He did also predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first born among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? IF GOD BE FOR US, WHO CAN BE AGAINST US? He that spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."

    To be the children of God also brings the responsibility to act like it. No, I don't mean that we meet this responsibility by being effeminate and browbeaten in our manner. I mean that we must do the works of the sons of God. Remember the 82nd Psalm? We are there rebuked for our failure to "deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked." Why are we cringing in shameful and abject cowardice here when half of our brothers of the White Christian world are in horrible slavery under Asiatic Communism? Have we no faith in God? Are we crawling before Russia and Cuba out of fear of their bombs? Why don't we believe God, instead of the "leaders" of our government? We have God's promise, in Isaiah 54:17, that "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of Me, saith the Lord." God's work was never accomplished by cowards or weaklings. Elijah believed God, and 7,000 faithful, courageous men were all be needed to cleanse his nation. Gideon believed God, and 300 men were all he needed to rout and slaughter an immense enemy army. If we believe that God is our Father, let us start acting like His children! not just in the next world, not just several hundred years into the millennium, but NOW!



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    Christian Identity: What is it?
    by Bertrand Comparet

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3614#post3614



    "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

    Deuteronomy 7:6
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    As the word identity implies, it is the condition of being the same as something described or asserted. Christian Identity establishes who the true Israel is today according to the Holy Bible and world history. There is more than adequate and convincing proof that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and kindred peoples are the racial descendents of the tribes of Israel.

    It becomes readily apparent that there has been a case of mistaken identity when associating Jews with the claim of being the "chosen people". The Jew has an identity, but it is that of a thief who has stolen the history and nomenclatures of the really true Hebrews and Semites. For the sake of understanding it is necessary to clearly distinguish between the terms Israel, Judah and Jewry, because of the careless, thoughtless and often purposely deceptive usage by both religious and political leaders.

    The time has come when the hidden Israel nation is being revealed to those having eyes to see and ears to hear. It is being positively identified. Only one race answers to the Holy Bible scenario of Israel in the latter days and that is the White Race. These people are in possession of what Israel was to possess and they are doing what Israel was to do according to God's covenants and promises which Christ came to confirm. Only these people have the Bible, believe in Jesus the Messiah, call on His Name, are called by His Name, have used His Laws for their civil government and are now the object of a worldwide attack by the enemies of Jesus Christ who are organizing all the heathen under the Red banner of Anti-Christ World Communism.

    In Genesis, God created Adam, the first man. The Holy Bible is a history book of Adam's people. The Hebrew word for man is Adam itself and actually means to show blood in the face; to be fair; rosy cheeked; to be ruddy; and to be able to blush or flush. One must admit that the other races do not fit this description and therefor, cannot descend through Adam. God declared, "Everything after its own kind". From Adam there proceeded a chosen line which followed God after righteousness. From Adam's son, Seth, to Noah the chosen line remained racially pure and faithful to God. Noah and his family were preserved during the Great Flood while God destroyed the disobedient. Noah's son, Shem, continued the chosen line and these people became known as Shemites or Semites.

    Next was Eber, whose descendents became known as Hebrews. Generations later, God chose one Hebrew-Adamic man who remained faithful to God and did not live in wickedness as did other races. This was Abraham, who received special blessings and covenants from God. Abraham passed these blessings along to his son, Isaac who passed them on to his son Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel and he had twelve sons, who then founded the twelve tribes of Israel. These tribes were disobedient to God's Laws and went into Assyrian captivity (about 700 BC). From Assyria, these people migrated west and became the Caucasian European nations. The United States of America and Canada uniquely fulfil the prophesied place of the regathering of all the tribes of Israel.

    The people of true Israel will recognized their identity and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and call upon Him for Salvation and Redemption, and that they will be delivered from their enemies in the "last battle" which will destroy the wicked and will usher in the great Kingdom Age upon the earth.
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    Psalms 147:19-20


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    Default Understanding DSCI #9 -- Comparet: Daniel's Fifth Kingdom

    Understanding DSCI #9 -- Comparet: Daniel's Fifth Kingdom

    December 25, 2012 11:00pm EST/10:00pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=7435#post7435

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    Daniel's Fifth Kingdom

    by Bertrand L. Comparet

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3756#post3756



    It is universally recognized that many of the Bible's greatest prophecies are found in the Book of Daniel. Many of these are phrased in such obscure language that they were hard to understand until their fulfillment made clear their meaning. That is exactly what God intended: for He had His angel tell Daniel, "But thou, 0 Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end . . . for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand" (Daniel 12: 4, 9-10). However, actual events which have followed through the centuries have fulfilled these prophecies so unmistakably that their meaning is now clear.

    One of these prophecies is accepted by all churches that I know of, and they have agreed upon its meaning for the first 4/5 of it. Yet this prophecy so clearly sets forth the Anglo-Saxon Israel doctrines that it is hard to see how the preachers of these churches can be blind to it; and this is an especial challenge to all preachers who deny the truth of the Anglo-Saxon Israel doctrines: Follow this with me in your Bibles, and then let me hear you deny it.

    I refer to Nebuchadnezzar's image, which Daniel explained as a prophecy sent by God. This is all in the second chapter of Daniel, You will remember that in Babylon, King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of such obvious importance that it greatly troubled him: But on waking, he forgot his dream, so he could not tell it to his wise men, to ask their interpretation. Being a typical Oriental monarch, he found a quick solution to this puzzle: We read,
    "And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep broke from him. Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to show the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king. And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream. Then spoke the Chaldeans to the king in Syriac, 0 king, live foreverl Tell thy servants the dream, and we will show the interpretation. And the king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing -is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill" (Daniel 2: 1-5).

    This was surely a startlingly unreasonable demand to make. These were sorcerers, old hands at the game of thinking up impressive but vague answers -- vague and equivocal enough to let them fit their words into whatever might happen..an art they shared with some of the famous Greek oracles. But to be required to give an answer when you didn't yet know what the question wasl That was too much to expect. They replied, "There is not a man upon the earth that can show the king's matter: therefore, there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things of any magician, or astrologer or Chaldean. And it is a rare thing that the king requires, and there is none other that can show it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh. " But this did not pacify the king, who commanded that all the magicians, astrologers and Chaldeans be killed, because their inability to explain his dream exposed them as frauds. Only Daniel and his Hebrew companions escaped this purge, because God gave to Daniel the power to recount the dream itself, as well as to explain it. In Daniel's own words, this was the dream: "Thou, 0 king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee: and the form thereof was terrible. This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, his legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay." Then Daniel went on to explain to king Nebuchadnezzar the meaning of this image: "Thou, 0 king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven has given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wherever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven has He given into thine hand, and has made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. And thefourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things: and as iron that breaks all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potter's clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided: but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mingled with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay" (Daniel 2: 31-43).

    As I said, the churches are all in agreement that this image represents the Babylonian Succession of Empires.

    The head was Babylon itself, under Nebuchadnezzar, who brought it to its pinnacle of power and wealth. In its day, it was the most important empire in the then known world: western Asia and the lands fronting on the Mediterranean Sea. It ruled the entire Fertile Crescent. from the Persian Gulf even to Egypt. The next succeeding empire of comparable power was that of the Medes and Persians, who conquered Babylon about 536 B.C. The kingdom of Media was absorbed in the rising power of Persia even before the conquest of Babylon. This Persian Empire extended from Northwest India and Afghanistan across the Fertile Crescent, over most of Asia Minor (which constitutes modern Turkey), down through Syria and Palestine, and even included Egypt. This was the empire represented by the "breast and arms of silver" in Nebuchadnezzar's dream image. It was conquered and absorbed into the empire of Alexander "the Great," of Macedon between the years 34 and 331 B.C. Alexander became king of Macedonia in 336 B.C.; by 332 he had conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), Syria, Palestine and Egypt; he conquered the Tigris-Euphrates Valleys in 331, swept over Persia, Bactria (largely the same as modern Afghanistan) and into North India. In ten years, he had built up an empire covering all the then known civilized world from Greece eastward to northern India. In 323 B.C. he died in drunken debauchery in Babylon. His huge but short-lived empire was the "belly and thighs of brass" in Nebuchadnezzar's dream-image.

    Fourth and last came the great empire of Rome, represented by the legs of iron. The city of Rome was founded in 753 B.C., and the Roman Republic, which began its greatness, was established about 500 B.C. Its empire began with the conquest of Macedonia and Egypt, in 168 B.C. Eventually, the Roman Empire expanded so that it ruled Italy, Spain, Gaul (modern France), Macedonia, Greece, North Africa and Egypt, western Asia Minor, Syria, and Palestine; its frontiers were: the Atlantic Ocean, the Irish Sea, the south border of Scotland, the North Sea, the River Rhine, the Danube River, the Black Sea, the Caucasus Mountains, Armenia, to the middle of ancient Babylonia, the Arabian Desert, the Red Sea, Nubia and the Sahara Desert, and the Moroccan mountains. Its outstanding characteristic was its harsh and cruel treatment of its subject peoples: as Daniel said, "and the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: for as much as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things: and as iron that breaks all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise." Remember there were two legs of iron, and so the Roman Empire split into the Western, or Roman Empire, and the Eastern Empire, often called "Byzantine.

    Likewise, each of these two was an enforced mixture of different peoples, having nothing in common except that they were ruled by the Roman Army; and when that military force failed, they broke up into their original fragments. As Daniel had said, "As the toes of the feet were part of iron and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not leave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." Up to this point, all the churches are with me 100%. Their preachers all agree that these are the empires which Daniel's prophecy foretold, because they fulfill that prophecy so perfectly.

    Now we come to the place where most of the churches don't want to recognize Daniel as a prophet. Let's continue with what Daniel said. After concluding his description of the image and its interpretation as these four successive empires, in the very next verse, Daniel 2: 44, he says: "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." Now, let's analyze this. First of all, let us note that this fifth kingdom spoken of by Daniel is not like the first four: they were the creations of pagan men; but this fifth kingdom shall be set up by God Himself. When shall it come into existence? "In the days of these kings" -- that is, at some time during the existence of the four empires of the Babylonian order. So, let us refresh memory as to their dates. Babylon and its empire came to an end in 536 B.C., when it was conquered by the Medo-Persian Empire; the Medo-Persian Empire came to an end when it was overrun and conquered by the armies of Alexander the Great, 331 B.C. After his death, Alexander's empire fell apart into four parts, as another prophecy of Daniel's had foretold. Alexander died in 323 B.C. These are the first three empires symbolized by Nebuchadnezzar's dream-image; this leaves only the fourth and last, Imperial Rome.

    The city of Rome was founded in 753 B.C.; the Republic was established about 500 B.C.; expansion into an empire began with the conquest of Macedonia and Egypt, 168 B.C. We need not cover in detail the history of the Roman Empire: enough to note that, just as the dream-image had two legs, the Roman Empire was divided into eastern and western parts: first by emperor Diocletian, in 283 A.D., and the division became permanent at the death of emperor Theodosius, 395 A.D. The two separate empires, the western generally governed from Rome and always called Roman, and the eastern, governed from Constantinople (the original name of which city had been Byzantium), and generally called the Byzantine Empire, continued for some time after their separation.

    The western, or Roman Empire, fought a losing battle against the ever-increasing pressure of the invading peoples who were the Israelites, moving from Scythia into their new European homes. The Visigoths were an Israelite people, largely Christian by 350 A.D. They were driven west by the pressure of the invading Huns; they entered the Roman Empire in 376 A.D., scoring a decisive victory over Roman armies in 378, so Rome ceded them certain Roman territories; they invaded Italy in 400 A.D., forced Rome to pay ransom in 408 A.D. That year Rome withdrew its armies from Britain to aid in the defense of Rome; but to no avail, for in 410 A.D. the Visigoths captured and looted the City of Rome itself; in 412 they moved on into southern France and northern Spain, ruling Spain until the Moorish conquest in 711. In 476 A.D., Odoacer, the general of German mercenary soldiers in the Roman army, rebelled, captured the capital city of the Western Roman Empire and deposed the last emperor, Romulus Augustulus; and this date, 476 A.D., is accepted by historians as marking the end of the Western Roman Empire.

    Meanwhile, the eastern empire, generally called the Byzantine Empire with Constantinople as its capital, claimed to be ruling even the Western Roman Empre, although this was claim rather than fact except for brief periods: From 395 A.D., the Western Roman Empire was separate. Enemy pressures were building up against the Eastern, or Byzantine Empire borders, pressures too strong to be resisted. By about 650 A.D., the Moslems had conquered Arabia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, North Africa and Sicily: The Byzantine Empire was reduced to Asia Minor and the Balkans. Then, in 1074, the Turks captured most of Asia Minor. Then came enemies from an unexpected source: The combined forces of Venice and the Fourth Crusade captured Constantinople in 1204, taking also all the Balkan territories, and they set up the short-lived Latin Empire of Constantinople. While the authority of the Byzantine Empire was restored in the City of Constantinople in the 1260s, all the Balkan territories were lost: They broke up into many small independent nations. (Remember that Daniel said that the toes were part iron and part clay, and would not stick together!) For two centuries more, a mere shadow of the Byzantine Empire continued, consisting of just the City of Constantinople and its environs, until the Turks captured the city in A.D. 1453, ending the last pretense of the existence of this leg of the Roman Empire.

    So the year 1453 marks the end of the four world-empires of Nebuchadnezzar's dream-image. Remember now, the words which many preachers won't face because it ruins their doctrines: in Daniel 2: 44, Daniel said, "In the days of these kings shall the God of Heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." We must find God's own kingdom in this world, not in some remote future to which the preachers would like to assign it, but NOW: It must have had its beginning "in the days of these kings" --and therefore we must study this period which we have seen, extends from Daniel's own time, about 600 B.C. to not later than 1453 A.D.; for that is the period in which the kings of the Babylonian succession of Empires ruled, as we have just seen. Why do the preachers like to ignore this verse of Daniel's prophecy? Because there is a great kingdom which was set up within that period, and which still exists, just as God promised through Daniel that it would. But it is a nation of Anglo-Saxon Israel: And if they recognize this as a kingdom which the God of Heaven set up, they can no longer deny the truth of the Anglo-Saxon Israel doctrines. So they would rather try to make a liar of Daniel than to admit that their own doctrines are in error and that God has kept His promises to His people Israel.

    If it shocks you to think that the nations of Anglo-Saxon Germanic and Scandinavian Israel today are the Kingdom of God, then prepare to be shocked, for that is just what I am about to prove. The Kingdom of God is the only everlasting kingdom. Psalm 22: 27-28 says, "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and He is the governor among the nations." Psalm 145: 13-14, says, "Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and Thy dominion endureth throughout all generations. " Daniel 4: 3 adds, "How great are His signs I And how mighty are His wondersl His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and His dominion is from generation to generation.

    But this Kingdom of God is not just an abstract idea, lost somewhere among the clouds; it is a very real kingdom upon this earth. It has not been governed as well while mere men rule it as it will be when Jesus Christ returns to be its king; nevertheless, it is still the Kingdom of God, here on earth. Remember how Jesus Christ, Himself, in Matthew 21: 43, told the Jewish usurpers who ruled in Judea, "Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    God had repeatedly promised to establish a kingdom-God's own kingdom -- in this world, and place descendants of King David upon the throne of God's Kingdom. In 1 Chronicles 17: 11-12, 14, God's promise to David was, "I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build Me an house, and I will establish his throne forever . . . I will settle him in Mine house and in My Kingdom forever: and his throne shall be established forevermore." David believed God's promise, for in 1 Chronicles 28: 4-5, David said, "Howbeit the God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel forever: for He hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the House of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father He liked me to make me king over all Israel: And of my sons (for the Lord hath given me many sons) He hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon THE THRONE OF THE KINGDOM OF the Lord over Israel.

    This is a very real and substantial kingdom on this earth. In His famous parable of the tares sown among the wheat, in Matthew 13: 38, 41, Jesus Christ said, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of The Kingdom: but the tares are the children of the wicked one. The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them that do iniquity." Certainly the children of Satan, those who offend and do iniquity, are not in Heaven with God, so that they will yet have to be gathered out of Heaven: but they are still here in this world, living here among the nations of Anglo- Saxon, Germanic and Scandinavian Israel, for you meet them and have business dealings with them every day: So this is the same Kingdom of God of which Jesus Christ spoke.

    The Bible leaves no doubt that, when Jesus Christ returns to rule the world, He will sit upon the throne of this very same kingdom. Isaiah 9: 7, which all churches recognize is prophesying of Jesus Christ, says, "Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his Kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of Hosts will perform this." Confirming this, in the New Testament we find the same thing in Luke 1: 32-33, "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne offfis father David: and He shall reign over the House of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end. " But this is still the same kingdom of Israel which God established under King David, a kingdom of God's saints, who are the Children of Israel. Daniel 7: 27 confirms it: "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.

    So now we know these things:
    (1) the time within which God will set up the fifth great empire, which is "in the days of these kings" of the Babylonian series of four Gentile empires, between 600 B.C. and 1453 A.D.;

    (2) that the kingdom which God will set up is an everlasting kingdom--and only the Kingdom of God is everlasting;

    (3) that it is an Israel kingdom, in fulfillment of God's promises to David and to God's chosen people, Israel.
    For a little foundation information, we must go back even before 1500 B.C. The Israelites were then in Egypt. In Genesis 49: 8-10 the throne had been promised to the Tribe of Judah until Jesus Christ takes the throne. Judah had twin sons, Pharez and Zarah; but Pharez was born before Zarah, so Pharez inherited the right to the throne. Ancient writings record that the -descendants of Zarah were very able men -- even King Solomon being compared to them in wisdom. Since they could never take the throne in Palestine, where their ability could be used in governing the people, a large part of the descendants of Zarah left Egypt even before the general exodus, looking for places where their abilities could be fully used. They migrated northward along the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea, where they settled along the coasts of Asia Minor and in parts of Greece; they founded the city of Troy, and also the city of Miletus. It is accepted British history that after the fall of Troy, as described in Homer's great poem, the Iliad, Brutus the Trojan led a party of Trojans to the west, and finally landed in Britain where they founded the city of London. The place where he landed is marked by a monument.

    The city of Miletus became powerful and famous. Its coins were stamped with the lion of Judah. Milesian mercenary troops were hired by Egypt as border guards. It established several colonies, the most important of which was in Spain. This Milesian colony in Spain became powerful, and an expedition they sent to Ireland capturdd the whole island. Before that time, there were several tribal kings in various parts of Ireland, but the Milesians united them in one kingdom, Eochaidh the Heremon becoming the first king of Ireland, somewhat before 600 B.C. The Milesian kings ruled Ireland until the overthrow of Roderick O'Conner, the last native Irish king, by the invading Anglo-Norman armies under King Henry II of England, in 1171 A.D. The Irish of today who have names beginning with "Mc" or "0" are descendants of the Milesians.

    In the early centuries of the Christian Era, Ireland was known as Scotia, and its people as Scots. More and more settlements were made by them on the northern part of the island of Great Britain, until by a little after 500 A.D. they founded a separate nation, Scotland. For a time, Ireland was called Scotia Major and Scotland Scotia Minor.

    Meanwhile, the raids of the fierce Norse and Danish Vikings on the east coast of England had become so terrible, after withdrawal of the last of the Roman legions in 408 A.D., that the Britons invited settlements along the Channel coast by the Jutes, Angles and Saxons -- Jutland being a part of modern Denmark, the Angles coming from what is modern Schleswig in Germany, and the Saxons being part of the people who gave their name to Saxony in Germany. You will recall that before the Israelites left Scythia, two of their tribes were already known as the Angli (the Latin form of "Angles") and the Saxons. So by the year 600, we have Ireland, Scotland and England settled by Israelite people. Norse and Danish Vikings also settled areas along the English Channel coast. In my discussion of Historic Proof of Israel's Migration, I have mentioned the proof of the migration of the Israelites from Scythia into Northern and Western Europe, so there can be no doubt that the settlers of the British Isles are Israelites.

    However, this period did not bring a consolidation of them into a single kingdom: Only Ireland was united under a single king, while the island of Great Britain was broken into many petty kingdoms, always at war with each other. We must look to a later date to find the consolidation into one kingdom.

    It is well-established history that Norse Vikings raided the coasts of Gaul (which is modern France) for centuries: even capturing and looting the city of Paris three different times. Finally, in 911 A.D., King Charles III of France ceded the province of Normandy, on the Channel coast, to a Viking Chief, Rollo, who became the first Duke of Normandy; this was done on condition that Rollo would settle large numbers of Norsemen there, to form a buffer against further raids by Viking chiefs. In fact, the word "Norman" is really just a form of "Norseman," and shows the racial make-up of its population. From Normandy came Duke William of Normandy, William the Conqueror, in the year 1066 A.D., in a successful invasion of England. His Norman followers were Israelite Norsemen, of the same racial strain as much of the population of England.

    William the Conqueror established the English kingdom which has continued without a break since the year 1066 A.D. True, there have been battles between competing claimants to the throne: but the successful contender never was a conqueror setting up a new kingdom--he was always a claimant to the existing throne of England. This kingdom has had an unbroken existence since the year 1066 A.D. It is well established historical fact that the Kings of England (and the Queens, in the two reigns when there was no King), have all been descendants of King David of Israel. Thus, God's promise in Jeremiah 33: 17 that David shall never lack a descendant to sit upon the throne of Israel, has been fulfilled.

    But let's get back to Daniel and his five kingdoms. All the churches agree that history has proved the four kingdoms represented by Nebuchadnezzar's image to be Babylon, Medo-Persia, Alexander's empire, and Rome. Then Daniel goes on to say, in Daniel 2: 44, that "IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS" -- and in the preceding verses he has been careful to mention only FOUR kingdoms, the last of which we know to be the Roman Empire -- "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed." Daniel never speaks of the toes or the clay in them as kings or kingdoms.

    The continuity of the Throne of David, through Ireland, Scotland and England, is historically established. Now, what about the time of its establishment as the Kingdom of England? As we saw the final end of the Roman Empire came in the year 1453 A.D. But the present Kingdom of England was established in the year 1066 A.D., well within what Daniel calls "the days of these kings.

    All the churches are willing to recognize Daniel as an inspired prophet through the interpretation of the vision of the image as representing the four successive world-empires. "In the days of these kings" the Kingdom of England was established and it became a world-empire many times greater than all the previous empires of world history. If this is not the kingdom set up by the God of heaven Himself, as Daniel says, then how did God happen to overlook the most remarkable kingdom in all human history? No, this isn't according to the accepted doctrines of most churches; and they would rather reject the word of God than admit that any of their doctrines might be mistaken. It is a bitter pill for them to swallow, for it proves that we who preach the Anglo Saxon identity message are right: The God of heaven DID set up His kingdom "in the days of these kings."



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    Default Understanding DSCI April 16, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI April 16, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    April 16, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8280#post8280

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    After a hiatus of several months, I have come to the conclusion that there needs to be some actual Dual-Seedline Christian Identity (DSCI) teaching program to counter the-m-asses of jews and mamzers and mongrels pretending to be actual DSCI pastors, like the Ashkenazi-Hittite jew pig Finck, or the Ashkenazi melungeon Dan Johns or the Chicago Sephardic jewboy Eli James/jewseph Kutz-November or the 'Cherokee' Black Dutch Sephardic melungeon Jeromy Visser and the dwindling mass of addlepated whiggers and mamzers that follow such jew mamzer 'pastors.' Thus this program series by myself is an attempt to show "What Dual-Seedline Christian Identity IS as opposed to my other shows proving what those jews and mamzers pretending to be Dual-Seedline Christian Identity are NOT!!!

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.


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    Christian Identity: What is it?
    by Bertrand Comparet

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3614#post3614

    "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

    Deuteronomy 7:6
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    As the word identity implies, it is the condition of being the same as something described or asserted. Christian Identity establishes who the true Israel is today according to the Holy Bible and world history. There is more than adequate and convincing proof that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and kindred peoples are the racial descendents of the tribes of Israel.

    It becomes readily apparent that there has been a case of mistaken identity when associating Jews with the claim of being the "chosen people". The Jew has an identity, but it is that of a thief who has stolen the history and nomenclatures of the really true Hebrews and Semites. For the sake of understanding it is necessary to clearly distinguish between the terms Israel, Judah and Jewry, because of the careless, thoughtless and often purposely deceptive usage by both religious and political leaders.

    The time has come when the hidden Israel nation is being revealed to those having eyes to see and ears to hear. It is being positively identified. Only one race answers to the Holy Bible scenario of Israel in the latter days and that is the White Race. These people are in possession of what Israel was to possess and they are doing what Israel was to do according to God's covenants and promises which Christ came to confirm. Only these people have the Bible, believe in Jesus the Messiah, call on His Name, are called by His Name, have used His Laws for their civil government and are now the object of a worldwide attack by the enemies of Jesus Christ who are organizing all the heathen under the Red banner of Anti-Christ World Communism.

    In Genesis, God created Adam, the first man. The Holy Bible is a history book of Adam's people. The Hebrew word for man is Adam itself and actually means to show blood in the face; to be fair; rosy cheeked; to be ruddy; and to be able to blush or flush. One must admit that the other races do not fit this description and therefor, cannot descend through Adam. God declared, "Everything after its own kind". From Adam there proceeded a chosen line which followed God after righteousness. From Adam's son, Seth, to Noah the chosen line remained racially pure and faithful to God. Noah and his family were preserved during the Great Flood while God destroyed the disobedient. Noah's son, Shem, continued the chosen line and these people became known as Shemites or Semites.

    Next was Eber, whose descendents became known as Hebrews. Generations later, God chose one Hebrew-Adamic man who remained faithful to God and did not live in wickedness as did other races. This was Abraham, who received special blessings and covenants from God. Abraham passed these blessings along to his son, Isaac who passed them on to his son Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel and he had twelve sons, who then founded the twelve tribes of Israel. These tribes were disobedient to God's Laws and went into Assyrian captivity (about 700 BC). From Assyria, these people migrated west and became the Caucasian European nations. The United States of America and Canada uniquely fulfil the prophesied place of the regathering of all the tribes of Israel.

    The people of true Israel will recognized their identity and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and call upon Him for Salvation and Redemption, and that they will be delivered from their enemies in the "last battle" which will destroy the wicked and will usher in the great Kingdom Age upon the earth.
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    "He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation; and as for his judgments they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord."

    Psalms 147:19-20


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    Dual-Seedline Christian Identity, The Five Minute Tour

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...?p=207#post207

    Quote Originally Posted by Questioner

    by dual seedline do you refer to the ones who nip at our heels as said in the bible?

    or about how yahweh said when talking to the synagog of satan jews "i come in the name of my father and you reject me, but one will come in the name of your father, and him you will accept" refering to their accepting the anti-christ as there leader and savior?

    I have been a fence sitter for a long time studying a lil odinism as well as christian identity.

    I have read sacred nation (two issues) and having talked to xxxx he said i have the basis of identity. But i am looking for more then just the basics. What is Christian Identity?

    any advise is appreciated,

    Christian Identity says that White, Northern and Western Europeans are the 'lost' tribes of the House of Israel. Once we know put Identity, we are no longer 'lost.' We lost our identity when we were carried away by the Assyrians in 721-719 BC. Also, previously, Israelites had wandered away because the place in Canaan was too small for the sons of large families.

    Now that is the main variant, from British Israeliteism which was propounded by Herbert W. Armstrong, which reached millions of people, and this variety is commonly called One-Seedline, (OSL), or, as they prefer to call it "Covenant."

    This variety is really not much different than traditional fundamentalist Christianity in that there is the belief that Adam was the first man, that jews were from Judah, and because of their sins and disbelief were kicked out of the Covenant and that they were Christ killers. Thus traditional Christianity has always been hostile to jews. Again, Christian Identity says that Northern and Western Europeans, Aryans, are descended from the 'lost' ten, really thirteen, tribes of Israel.

    Dual-Seedline Christianity (DSCI) says that there are two seedlines, one good, one evil, locked in constant conflict. This belief, since Zoroastrianism and the belief system of the ancient Israelites is called 'Dualism.' So we call it "Dual-Seedline" Christian Identity. We say that the non-whites are merely the 6th Day "Beasts of the Field" and Adam was the first White man created by YHWH with a soul. Then Satan came along and seduced Eve, and she gave birth to twins, one Cain, fathered by Satan, one righteous Abel, fathered by Adam. Cain was the father of the evil spawn of Satan known as jews. And between the jews and the Sons of true Man, the Adamites, there is a Genesis 3:15 enmity. jews hate White men. White men hate jews. Genesis 3:15 is the only command of YHWH's that jews consistently obey.

    The second major dividing point is that DSCI acknowledges that the Great Flood of Noah was a local flood designed to drown out only the sinning Adamites, who miscegenated with demons, jews and muds and not the obedient Adamites who migrated to Europe, or the niggers, redskins, or orientals who are not under YHWH's Law. (The orientals and redskins are not even mentioned in the Bible.) They had created a ZOG/Babylon and as today they were defiling their bloodline by miscegenation with non-whites. And so YHWH destroyed this pre-flood ZOG/Bbylon. A second ZOG/Babylon was attempted after the flood under Nimrod & Semiramis/Ishtar and YHWH confounded their tongues so that they had to scatter. And today we live under ZOG/Babylon the Third and Final and this time YHWH is going to simply let ZOG/Babylon implode on itself. This process is called The Great Tribulation, and when it is done, there shall be left only a remnant to carry into the Millenium when Christ returns.

    Now there is much more to this belief system, which compliments itself and doesn't step on its own theological tail. But religion gives rise to political action upon those beliefs, which is why CI, especially DSCI, has created the most fanatical and dedicated opponents to Babylon/ZOG. Thus Dual-Seedline Christian Identity (DSCI) is a racial religion aimed against the jews.

    Presently, we have been defined by our Genesis 3:15 enemies, the jews. But there is a project underway among allied DSCI churches and ministries to write a book in committee to define ourselves and our beliefs which I think will be published in book form for $20-25 and then a worksheet for a DSCI seminary. This is the project that I've decided to pursue for this year, along with creating a CI Net of audio and video.

    But you asked for the five-minute version, and so I decided to give the short tour which covers 75% of DSCI of what we believe.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri






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    Default Understanding DSCI April 23, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    Understanding DSCI April 23, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    April 23, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8340#post8340

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel

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    After a hiatus of several months, I have come to the conclusion that there needs to be some actual Dual-Seedline Christian Identity (DSCI) teaching program to counter the-m-asses of jews and mamzers and mongrels pretending to be actual DSCI pastors, like the Ashkenazi-Hittite jew pig Finck, or the Ashkenazi melungeon Dan Johns or the Chicago Sephardic jewboy Eli James/jewseph Kutz-November or the 'Cherokee' Black Dutch Sephardic melungeon Jeromy Visser and the dwindling mass of addlepated whiggers and mamzers that follow such jew mamzer 'pastors.' Thus this program series by myself is an attempt to show "What Dual-Seedline Christian Identity IS as opposed to my other shows proving what those jews and mamzers pretending to be Dual-Seedline Christian Identity are NOT!!!

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.


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    Tonight a panel call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88 as to what we agree and disagree as to what Dual-Seedline Christian Identity is and is not.

    Hail Victory!!!

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    Default Understanding DSCI April 30, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    Understanding DSCI April 30, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    April 30, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8395#post8395

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    After-Action Report: Gary from Michigan called in and the show started a few minutes after 8:00 pm. The last hour or so there was a discussion of "pre-existence" in which myself said that based upon Genesis 2:7 Creation of Adam, that it was unlikely and pre-existence opened up questions as to who was pre-existed, pre-ordained and whether or not in such a deterministic belief system there was any purpose to free will. Gary believed that pre-existence was possible but would have to study up more on it. LoganHunter was quite excitable about his belief in pre-existence and wouldn't allow the host or Gary to get in a word in edgewise, so was muted several times, but holds no grudges over that. Anyway, this was an interesting show.

    Hail Victory!!!

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    Default Understanding DSCI May 7, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI May 7, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    May 7, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8435#post8435

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=116732&cmd=tc Due to a bogus cumplaint by the Sephardic melungeon jew Jeromy Visser, tonight's show will be held on LoganHunter88's Talksjew Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    After-Action Report: The discussion for the first hour was discussion as to "Pre-Existence" with Gary and Logan. Since I don't believe in pre-existence but rather that Adam was created without pre-existing as a spiritual being before Genesis 2:7, the question arose as to whether or not even White women have souls at all, whether they 'pre-existed' as men 'trapped' in a female body -- all Obie-gender-bender the tranny pissers-poofter-possum sort of question -- or, if not pre-existent, how exactly do they 'grow' souls, if they do. Logan believed a number of things and Gary wanted to study up on it some more.

    In the second half of the show we discussed the Apostle-ship of Paul. It was agreed that 666 out of 667 jews, mamzers, melungeons, baal-priests use Paul as an excuse to bring in anti-nomianian lawlessness and a swarm of jews and mamzers like Eli James, Bill Finck, Jeromy Visser, Dan Johns into 'Wandering Mamzers of WikiPedia-Talksjew Christian Identity' and thus Paul should be either kicked or ignored.

    Program Download Link: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-116732/TS-745073.mp3

    Hail Victory!!!

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    Default Understanding DSCI May 14, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI May 14, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    May 14, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8485#post8485

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    After-Action Report:

    Program Download Link: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-116732/TS-745073.mp3

    Hail Victory!!!

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    Default Understanding DSCI May 21, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI May 21, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    May 21, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8540#post8540

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    After-Action Report:

    Program Download Link: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-124251/TS-749240.mp3

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri


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    Default Understanding DSCI May 28, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI May 28, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    May 28, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8600#post8600

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    After-Action Report:

    Program Download Link:

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri


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    Default Understanding DSCI June 4, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe?

    Understanding DSCI June 4, 2013 -- What is Christian Identity and What Do We Believe? Open-Panel Call with Gary from Michigan and LoganHunter88

    June 4, 2013 9:00pm EST/8:00 pm CST

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=8655#post8655

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=124251&cmd=tc <----- Talkshoe Program Channel


    Tonight an open-panel discussion about Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with panelists Elder Gary from Michigan, LoganHunter88 and myself.

    Thus this re-instituted show will be used to teach the basics of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    Tonight's show should be subtitled "The Community of Christian Israel." What with the transgendered Aussie poofter mamzerkike Obie-gender-bender and the Sephardic melungeon jew mamzer Jeromy Visser anusouncing a parting of the ways abruptly the other day without any explanation, what we must do is to figure out that they fought and broke up because they are simply quarreling Spawn of Satan predators each with a different self-serving agenda. Thus they fight and squabble over the carcass like buzzards and pack scavengers all the time.

    Whereas with the Community of Christian Israel, we each are brethren in Christ. Thus our way is for everyone to make his point, defend it without the need for censorship or oppression, and after these debates, to hold the same opinion still or to change our minds, without having to worry about losing anything, be it prestige, social standing, or face because when it all comes down to it, we are Brethren in Christ, and are with Christ largely together.


    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew 12:46-50

    46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

    47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

    48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

    49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

    50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
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    Thus there are doctrinal issues aplenty because we each came into the Body of Christ but each of us still are of the Congregation.

    Thus we tolerate differences of opinion, but not the presence of those who are NOT US, but the jew Spawn of Satan, or the importunate mamzer, or the addlepated treasonous whigger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Chapter 19:16-30

    16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

    17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

    19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

    21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

    23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

    26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

    28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

    30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

    After-Action Report:

    Program Download Link:

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri


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