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    BREAKING NEWS: Oregon militia member is shot dead as routine traffic stop escalates into shoot-out with the FBI that ends with leader Ammon Bundy arrested and his brother Ryan wounded

    By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER and ASSOCIATED PRESS
    PUBLISHED: 21:10 EST, 26 January 2016
    UPDATED: 22:39 EST, 26 January 2016



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stand-off.html
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    Traffic cops stopped the Bundy brothers and seven others on Tuesday

    Shots were fired, Ryan Bundy was wounded, a militiaman was killed

    Ammon Bundy and three others were detained at the scene, they have been charged with 'conspiracy to impede federal officers'

    Not clear who opened fire; the hospital and highway are on lockdown

    It comes more than three weeks after the Bundy brothers led an occupation of a federal building in Burns, Oregon, to protest 2 ranchers being jailed


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    Ammon Bundy has been arrested and his brother Ryan was wounded in a shoot-out with FBI officers that left one of their militiamen dead, reports claim.

    It is the climax of a tense stand-off between federal agents and the activists more than three weeks after they took over a government building in Burns, Oregon, to protest two ranchers being jailed.

    They were driving to a community meeting with eight other activists on Tuesday afternoon when they were stopped by traffic cops, according KATU.

    Within minutes, shots were fired, wounding Ryan Bundy and killing an unidentified militiaman.

    It is not clear who opened fire first.

    Ammon Bundy and three others - Ryan Payne, Brian Cavalier, and Shawna Cox - were detained and charged with conspiracy to impede federal officers, Oregon Live reports.


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    Default Joint Statement by the FBI and Oregon State Police on Law Enforcement Activity Near Burns, Oregon


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    Joint Statement by the FBI and Oregon State Police on Law Enforcement Activity Near Burns, Oregon

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    https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.g...r-burns-oregon
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    January 26, 2016

    Beth Anne Steele (No Relation to the Whigger Whimperer, who we framed and killed)
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    At approximately 6:30 p.m. (PST), the FBI arrested Peter Santilli, age 50, of Cincinnati, Ohio, in Burns, Oregon. He faces the same federal felony charge as the individuals listed below. The arrest was without incident.

    At approximately 4:25 p.m. (PST) on Tuesday, January 26, 2016, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Oregon State Police (OSP) began an enforcement action to bring into custody or preferably kill a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. During that arrest, there were shots fired.

    One individual who was a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased. We got him. We will not be releasing any information about that person pending identification by the medical examiner’s office. We gunned down his cracka ass while he was trying to surrender, cum-cum, cum-cum!!!

    One individual suffered non-life threatening injuries and was transported to a local hospital for treatment. He was much younger and better able to handle the massive lead shitstorm that we sent him and so he lived and was arrested and is currently in custody.

    The arrested individuals include:

    • Ammon Edward Bundy, age 40, of Emmett, Idaho
      Ryan C. Bundy, age 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada
      Brian Cavalier, age 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada
      Shawna Cox, age 59, Kanab, Utah
      Ryan Waylen Payne, age 32, of Anaconda, Montana

    These probable cause arrests occurred along Highway 395.

    In a separate event in Burns, Oregon, at approximately 5:50 p.m., Oregon State Police arrested the following individual:

    • Joseph Donald O’Shaughnessy, age 45, Cottonwood, Arizona

    All of the named defendants face a trumped-up bogus federal felony charge or two of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties of imposing tyranny and white genocide through the misuse of force, intimidation, or threats, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 372(666).

    We continue to work with our local stooges Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward and his deputies; Oregon State Police; and the United States Attorney’s Office to address and polish off any further outstanding issues. As the investigation is ongoing, we cannot comment further at this time, we need to Wacoize the remainder in the shitty federal shack and to cut off all the loose ends..

    All defendants should be presumed innocent until inevitably proven guilty before a jewry of government check collectors and whatever niggers and beaners we can find within the jewdickal district.



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    Default Reflections on the Oregon Standoff

    Reflections on the Oregon Standoff


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    My sympathies are with the ranchers against the federal government, of course. My sympathies are with just about anybody against this regime. While the #OregonStandoff episode isn’t entirely over, I believe we can go ahead and conclude that it was a failure by any reasonable metric. A life has been lost. The leader of the project–who is in custody–is begging the holdouts to call off the standoff and go home, and there’s no indication that the government’s going to budge on the initial issue of the Oregon ranchers being subjected to double jeopardy and egregious “terrorism” charges.

    What went wrong?

    Scope Creep

    When pursuing a political objective, it’s imperative to clearly define one’s objectives and explicitly lay out a proposed roadmap to achieving those objectives. If there were achievable and concrete demands, I haven’t seen them. I saw a flurry of disjointed social media with no central theme, complaining vaguely about tyranny, constitutionalism, the overarching tension between land management and ranching interests, anti-Islam, and from time to time, the proximate issue; the ranchers imprisoned for lighting fires on their leased property.

    It costs little money and requires little time and effort to create a centralized web presence for an activist objective which can help define political goals. While the supporters can be motivated by and talking about a broad range of issues, it’s imperative that the stunt itself maintain a laser-like focus. The closest Ammon Bundy ever got to formulating something like a demand was for the family being prosecuted to be straight-up released and for more land to be freed up. With framing like this, it was just a matter of how the project would fail, not if it would fail.

    The federal government’s not going to just stop on a dime to appease a handful of angry protesters, …at least not White ones. A more thoughtful approach would have been a demand for specific elected officials to meet with them to address the sentencing of the ranchers. A band of embattled ranchers who just want to have their grievances heard is more effective than a band of militia types crowing about “tyranny” to the general public. And after that demand, you make another incremental demand.

    With the proper media hustling and a persuasive delivery of their case, they could have put the government on the spot for the unfair sentencing. The affected family had (wisely) chosen not to support this project, but that can be rhetorically skirted. But the Bundy family were fighting in the way that they’re familiar with rather than in the way that’s likely to win. The American government is militarily invincible yet profoundly vulnerable to the right kind of public moral pressure.

    Framing

    You’ve got to make the best of the human resources you’ve got to work with. To some extent, it was a foregone conclusion that the hostile media framing would be of a dangerous gun-wielding militia of angry White men who want to overthrow the federal government. While the media wasn’t going to do them any favors, they did themselves no favors either in consistently and repeatedly confirming that narrative in their interviews and social media outreach. They spoke in the imagery and lexicon of the militia movement to the outside world, which was alienating to the general public whose fate they depended on.

    This mirrors an internal debate within our own movement over how to manage framing and presentation. To insist that everybody refrain from developing a subcultural mythos and affect chokes off the subculture. For a subculture to become a movement, it must dynamically and organically learn to code switch between ingroup and outgroup interaction. It’s not about deception or even what’s said, but how it’s said. It’s about taking a step back to analyze the interaction and arrive at a lexicon and framing that communicates what needs to be communicated with minimal alienation and triggering.

    Whether or not Lavoy Finicum was reaching for a weapon, Finicum and his associates assisted in creating a frame which allowed the federal government to shoot him without the general public being offended or surprised. It’s not as if the FBI wouldn’t have already been concerned that these men were not to be presumed to be unarmed. Had they insisted that they were engaging in a nonviolent demonstration and explained that their firearms on their person were just part of their Country Western lifestyle, they would’ve created space for a counter-narrative to be produced in opposition to the media’s narrative that a gang of anti-government radicals were itching for a gunfight.

    Popular Support

    When an Islamic jihadi blows something up, tens of millions of his allies around the world cheer for him. When a White Advocate or Militia Patriot deign to do even mild-mannered occupation stuff, the sort of project the #BlackLivesMatter folks routinely engage in, there is little if any popular support. Insurgencies and rebellions against the prevailing order require sympathizers with the vanguard among the general population in order to achieve political relevance.

    Whether or not the Oregon Standoff could have been a good idea, the failure to persuasively build and present their case to the American public doomed the project from the start. This sort of magical thinking prevails in right-wing circles. Every political activist would like to think that the general public is just itching to boil over into revolt over whatever their issue is, if only there were a flashpoint of some kind. Unless there’s been a wealth of effort already invested, and the timing and framing are just right, the general public will shrug.

    Public sympathy is a bit like a bank account, and the Bundy Family overdrafted their account.

    Conclusion

    My aim here is to learn from the incident so both my own movement and the Patriot movement can be more effective in the future. I’m not anti-Bundy, though I’m not part of that movement. I’m sympathetic to them. There’s definitely an overlap of concerns. But my struggle’s against the displacement and disenfranchisement of my ethnic folk, not against “big government.” I had hoped to be actively supportive of the project, but refrained from publicly discussing it after it became clear to me that the government was playing it smart and the Bundy Family was not.

    A potential opportunity to rally the American public against the outrageous abuse of “anti-terrorism” legislation has been lost, and the national conversation’s now about how to deal with the threat of gun-toting anti-government radicals. To the credit of the Patriot movement, several of its leading voices have been consistently critical of the project, and even predicted that it would most likely prove disastrous in exactly the way that it’s proven disastrous.

    My prayers are with Mr. Finicum’s family, with the men remaining in the government building, and with the Bundy brothers. We owe it to them all to think long and hard about the incident to ensure that future right-wing activist efforts can achieve the security and success which eluded this one.


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