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    Default Why Ramzpaul is Right (& Why it Doesn’t Matter)

    Why Ramzpaul is Right
    (& Why it Doesn’t Matter)



    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016...paul-is-right/
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...4517#post14517
    http://christian-identity.net/forum/...4517#post14517


    Ramzpaul is basically right in his quarrel with the “1488” wing of White Nationalism. He’s obviously frustrated with purity signaling spirals and LARPing. I believe he’s wrong to accuse 1488ers of being enemy plants, although some of them probably are. I think, however, that his deepest frustration stems from the sense that White Nationalist ideas have the potential to sweep through our society and redefine the political mainstream, were it not for the ease with which our enemies stigmatize them as “Nazi.” (I will use “Nazi” rather than “National Socialist,” because we are talking about stigmatizing rhetoric here.)

    Are you worried that our race is in demographic decline? Only Nazis would worry about that! Do you want to secure our borders against criminals and terrorists? Only Nazis would want to do that! Do you think it is crazy that Sweden, Germany, and other European countries have imported thousands of rapists from Africa and the Middle East? Only a Nazi would care about that! Do you think that your country should prefer citizens to foreigners, workers to parasites, decent people to criminals? Only Nazis would think that way! Do you think that whites should start saying “no” to unjust and crazy non-white demands, such as Black Lives Matter protesters who basically demand an end to enforcing laws against black criminals? Only a Nazi would do that. You don’t want to be a Nazi, do you? Then stop protesting against policies that will destroy white people. After all, the only way for white people to atone for the crimes of Nazis is by ceasing to exist.


    This kind of rhetoric is so asinine, and the aims it advances are so evil, that it should be child’s play to demolish it. But we have had more than 90 years of anti-Nazi propaganda dinned into us by now, which has created a powerful moral inhibition to think rationally about any policies, no matter how sensible, if they are stigmatized as “just like the Nazis.”

    To make matters worse, there are plenty of our own people who happily collaborate in this process of stigmatizing and marginalizing sensible policies as “Nazi.” They jump up and say, “You’re damned right! Only Nazis believe in borders. Only Nazis oppose rape. Only Nazis take their own side in a fight.”

    Given a choice between defending policies that are necessary for the survival of our very race — or defending the honor of Adolf Hitler and National Socialism, the 1488 crowd prefers the latter. But this is a perverse and self-defeating move.

    Earlier this year, after the mass sexual assaults and harassment of German women by Muslim men on New Year’s Eve, the Mayor of Cologne declared that she was setting up “safe zones” for women at Carnival time. I tweeted the following:

    Why can’t all of Germany be a safe zone for women?

    It is good propaganda, because the natural answer is “Yes, why not?” We will win when the public’s first reaction to all nationalist policies is “Yes, why not?” Because if every individual should have a room of his own, and every family a house of its own, why shouldn’t every people have a country of its own? Why not?

    But imagine a slightly different message:

    Hitler was right. Why can’t all of Germany be a safe zone for women?

    The initial reaction of most people would be indignation, disbelief, or puzzlement about the first sentence. And very few would go on to read the second sentence at all, much less think, “Yes, why not?” Beyond that, the fact that an opponent of mass rape links his position to Hitler actually lends credibility to the idiotic claim that opposing the rape of German women is somehow a bad thing because it is “just like Hitler.”

    The case for racial and ethnic nationalism has never been stronger. Philosophy, science, history, and the news of the day all argue in its favor. Thus it is easy to see why the enemies of nationalism want to marginalize and stigmatize it by linking it to a single central European nationalist movement from the first half of the 20th century. Our enemies claim that Nazism is the only real and authentic form of racial or ethnic nationalism. It is harder to understand why friends of nationalism want to do the same thing.

    Nazism is not the only real and authentic form of racial nationalism. It is not the only path to racial nationalist policies. Our politics is based on reason and reality, not on the historical contingencies of central Europe between the wars.

    Why is it the case that even in countries like Poland, Ukraine, and Russia, which suffered terribly at the hands of the Nazis, there are nationalists who identify with National Socialism? I think this is a natural product of anti-Nationalist propaganda. When a population accepts the false equivalency nationalism = Nazism, most people will be deterred from nationalism, but there will always be a small minority who will still embrace it.

    Some of these people are attracted to Nazism because they really believe it is evil. Not much can be done with such people. Others think it is true and good, and they will embrace what is true and good regardless of any stigmas. These people are admirable. Such sincere idealists might even believe that they can persuade enough of their fellow citizens to tip the political balance in favor of nationalism. After all, history is made by energetic minorities.

    There are two problems with this notion:

    The number of people receptive to Nazism — paleo or neo — is probably too small to change the direction of any society. (And yes, one’s movement might grow exponentially until it hits its absolute upper limit of, say, .02% of the general populace.)
    Generic racial/ethnic nationalist policies have the potential to convert the vast majority of our people, which is why — again — our enemies seek to heap the odium of “Nazism” on them. We have an uphill battle on our hands, and — again — our own people should not make it harder.
    So given a choice between option #1 and option #2, the best path to the salvation of our race is clearly #2. Yes, our enemies will always throw the “Nazi” charge our way. But we always have a choice when they do: to help them or to fight them.

    Is this “mainstreaming”? No, I am a vanguardist. Mainstreamers want us to change our principles. They want us to be more like the mainstream. I want to keep our principles and change the mainstream to be more like us. I don’t want White Nationalism to go mainstream, I want the mainstream to go White Nationalist. I want to change the public mind, not mirror or echo it.

    For me, there are four non-negotiable principles of White Nationalism: (1) Europeans are a distinct race, the white race; (2) our race is on the road to biological extinction because of bad political policies (white genocide); (3) the only solution is to this danger is to create racially and ethnically homogeneous white homelands; and (4) Jews are a distinct people that belong in their own homeland, not scattered about white homelands. We’ll never save our people by abandoning any of these principles, so we will just have to convert them to our way of thinking.

    The opposite of the mainstream is the vanguard. But another opposite of the mainstream is the marginal. Vanguardism and marginality are not the same things, though. So we should never mistake self-marginalization for a winning vanguard strategy. Just because something is not mainstream does not mean that it is a vanguard capable of pulling the mainstream behind it.

    “Hitler did nothing wrong” is funny as a meme, but it is not defensible as a thesis. And let’s be honest: it is funny because of its chutzpah. There is something bracing about sheer self-assertion in the face of practically the whole world. I was delighted when Charles Manson declared, “The war’s not over as far as I’m concerned.” (Remember, he’s not locked in there with them; they’re locked in there with him.) But the war really is over, although the struggle for European survival goes on. Yes, people build strength by carrying unnecessary burdens. But this is politics, not therapy. And political movements defeat themselves by taking on such burdens.

    I once told a friend that I would gladly join his little spiritual honor guard at the crypt of National Socialism, except that I believe that we can actually win. There are a lot of self-defeating attitudes and behaviors on the Alternative Right: alcoholism, drug abuse, LARPing, bickering, internet drama, etc. I believe that people gravitate towards them because, deep down inside, they’re already defeated. They don’t believe we can win; that attitude leads to self-defeating behaviors; and thus their prophecy fulfills itself. Naturally, I would much prefer that they fulfill my prophecy instead: that the Millennials will someday be known as the Greatest Generation, because they will liberate our race and establish homelands for all our peoples.

    So, to sum up, I think that Ramzpaul is basically right. But why do I think that it does not matter? Because the 1488ers will never go away, so I think he is wasting his time baiting them. Instead, we need to find a way of accepting their existence and making them into assets rather than liabilities. First, they do attract highly principled and idealistic people, some of whom we can educate. Second, the best way to convert people within our broader camp is not to attack them but to set an example by doing a better job of attacking our common enemies. Third, they make us seem more moderate and centrist by comparison. Thus they can serve as stalking horses, which might scare people into being more accommodating to our approach. Fourth and finally, as Jonathan Bowden often pointed out, the ultra fringes of any political movement generally attract highly energetic and creative people. We can draw upon some of that energy and steal their best memes.


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    Default Nobody can shame 14/88 mamzer fuktards

    Nobody can shame 14/88 mamzer fuktards


    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016...omment-1260412
    http://christian-identity.net/forum/...4535#post14535


    Thanks Doctor Greg:

    Like RamzPawl I’m a sort of jewtube producer. But the following jewtube video is from March 3, 2016 when I was running for East Newton R-6 Skrule Bored and freaked out the entire county with my “qualifuckations” to be a skrule bored member. Over 7,000 views, 6500+ of them before [s]election day on April 5, 2016. I secured my place as #7 of 7 candidates, but I think that video actually helped me get a few more votes. Certainly had a number of people cum up to me at Rameys grocery store in Granby, and while none of them claimed to have voted for me — they certainly liked my style.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYyW6TVHmuY

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    Anyways, Greg, look at it this way. If after making TraitorGlenn Miller run out of my office in July 2000 for fear of me killing the drunken Lumbee Melungeon rat, and pretending to be itz friend for four years (with the permission of Louis Beam and David Lane) and then cussing it out since 2004, there simply isn’t no shaming them mongrel and jewboy ZOGbots like TraitorGlenn Miller or Pierce’s re-conditioned 666 Order ZOGbux Bionic jewboy running a virtual colostomy bag.

    All you can do is kick back and enjoy the inevitable train-wreck. Katja Lane told me that The Order gave TraitorGlenn Miller $250,000 and Fearless Leader the Phone-Book Fuerher & Rocket-Scientist William Pierce $400,000. When she bitched about how cum I didn’t snatch out a bowie knife or 38 revolver from my office desk drawer and plug the rat TraitorGlenn Miller before it got past my mom’s double-wide trailer front drawer, I told her that it was before I read TraitorGlenn Miller’s ghost-written book and killing anyone is problematic at best. Besides, she read TraitorGlenn Miller’s silly book. How cum the Order gave TraitorGlenn Miller a quarter-million in Order ZOGbux when on Chapter 3 TraitorGlenn Miller admitted running like a yellow dog at the Greensboro Incident of Nov. 1979? And what good did the $400,000 do Pierce other than to run a bowel Movement Elohim Shitty for CreaTards like another ZOG false-flag operation with the Reverend “Doctor” Robert Millar?

    Hal Turner Financing. They get some jew to ghost-write a book, be it for TraitorGlenn Miller or the murderous jew pig Baal Finck, or give it a web page like Andre “the nigger” Anglin, sex tourist in the free gookistans. None of these jews or mamzers have a bit of Adamic conscience or morals, and their followers are the WORST of the mongrels and addled whiggers. RamzPawl can bitch about these critters all he wants, so can Colin Liddell or Richard Spenser or anyone else. I lived 45 miles west of TraitorGlenn Miller and if fear of Phineas Priests wouldn’t make the drunken melungeon rat stop snitching and shitting, or even the local sheriff’s deputy shooting the last of TraitorGlenn Miller’s drunken nutty non-homo male spawn as in 2008 then nothing will, especcially Alt-Right Establishment bitching.

    Our little bowel Movement is a series of “warlords” in real and cyber-space. The best that can be expected is a sort of non-aggression pacts, and only when there is not much overlap between what is provided. There isn’t much overlap between your and my Movement constituencies, Greg. I made a non-aggression pact with Harold Covington in March 2009 and it holds because we both believe in warlordism and his is in the Northwest and mine is in the lower Midwest.

    What would RamzPawl do with a typpycull Daily $permer mamzer fuktard anyways? I had a mangy yellow cur chase my 18-wheeler for a half-mile on a Mississippi Delta road back in 1995 and I didn’t see the point other than because the mutt liked chasing motor vehicles. What would that dog do if he caught my large car, anyways? Same point.

    I need to sue the State of Missouri for refusing to let me run as an open White Supremacist for governor of Missouri. I got disqualified as a LibberToon candidate a month ago. The point isn’t that I have a chance of winning — the point is that since 2006 the State of Missouri has refused to hold open free fair honest [s]elections and thus is less honest about their legitimacy than Stalinist or Putinist Russia, China, North Korea, or Zimbabwe.

    We already have [d]rule of warlord/sperglord/ZOGtard. All we need to do is to accentuate the decline and breakup. Ten Thousand Warlords.

    Hail Victory !!!

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    Default Different factions in the movement need to stop fighting with each other

    Different factions in the movement need to stop fighting with each other


    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016...omment-1260498
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...4536#post14539
    http://christian-identity.net/forum/...4539#post14539



    Pastor, I agree with your detached, ironic stance. Different factions in the movement need to stop fighting with each other and turn their energies toward the enemy. The only thing that matters is whether there will be white people on this planet 200 years hence. We can’t sweat the small stuff.

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