#ZOGbotSilly Roper gets into a virtue-signalling pissfight with Brad Griffin

[Hunter Wallace]

Unlike you ZOGbot-Silly Roper, failed Factotum of ZOGbots, I am not interested in promoting myself by trashing other people who have built platforms.


https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12...1#post14160598
http://christian-identity.net/forum/...6712#post16712
http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6712#post16712

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12.../#post14159981

Maybe we merely have a difference in definitions. Brad has told me in a separate discussion on this issue that whether the Unite The Right speakers support allowing homosexuals and Jews in the movement, or whether they are race mixers or not, doesn't matter to him, because it's just a free speech rally.

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No, I said the Unite the Right event is about the Confederate monuments in Charlottesville, that it is going to be a clash with Antifa, and we are not going to have the time to query everyone there about your own obsessions.
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ltimately, I agree that people who are married to or living with nonWhites, cannot be White Nationalists. Brad doesn't want to talk about so many of the Unite The Right speakers having Jewish purse-holders or Jewish wives and Asian baby mommas and hispanic or Asian kids or condoning homosexuality. I can understand why.

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You're right that I am not interested in promoting myself by trashing other people who have built platforms. Unlike all these new people, I remember the Billy Roper and Alex Linder show in the 2000s. I watched the National Alliance collapse into the Roper-Strom-Gliebe era. I watched you create White Revolution and that collapse. Above all else, I vividly remember the dung pile that was VNN Forum and watching the chaos and dysfunction of those years discouraged me from getting more active in the movement for nearly a decade.

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I think that he personally is a good guy, and has done a lot of good work for our people, and has the potential to do much more. Dr. Hill probably could not choose a better successor for the leadership of the League of the South, in fact. However, he and I have a fundamental disagreement on this issue of how tolerant and diverse the movement should be.

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I agree.

This is a fundamental disagreement. My view is that it is a good thing that we have left behind the Roper, Linder, Gliebe era of White Nationalism. We have nothing in the real world to show for all those years except a giant dung pile of posts rotting away in the VNN Forum archives. I look back at personalities like Von Bluvens and Craig Cobb and Bill White and it reminds me of how far we have come in the last 8 years.

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Ultimately, I and others who feel as I do will not allow race mixers or Jews in our White nation. When I say, "not allow", I mean that we will fight to keep them out. Perhaps we are getting older. Perhaps we are not wealthy. We may not even have as large a following.

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How do you propose to create a White nation when young people in their twenties don't even recognize names like Billy Roper and Alex Linder because they didn't leave behind anything to build on?
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But those who want to allow Jews and race mixers into the new White nation had better either hope that it is postponed until we all die off, or they had better be prepared to kill us in order to open the gates. Because, that's what it will take.

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I think it is more likely that some people will just grow older and fade into obscurity like Harold Covington.
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Until then, since it seems to be what upsets the impurity spiralers most, I'll keep on telling the truth about them, and they can keep slandering me, with no sleep being lost whatsoever here.

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It seems like you find someone new to slander every day. It is reminder of why White Nationalism collapsed in the real world in the 2000s.
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[Hunter Wallace]

In the 2000s, White Nationalist websites like Stormfront grew by leaps and bounds. The problem was that we simultaneously became more disorganized.


https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12...3#post14160618
http://christian-identity.net/forum/...6713#post16713
http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6713#post16713

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12...0#post14160580

". . . [G]etting anything done" for who exactly?

Held back? Seems like more and more of our people are awake; thus, the jew is a hand, offering his shekels.

But supposing that's true, leaders incapable of working with others (a fair criticism in theory), it is an internal dysfunctional matter; one certainly not solved by the jew.

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Here's the thing: in the 2000s, White Nationalist websites like Stormfront grew by leaps and bounds. We succeeded in spreading our ideas to thousands of people. The problem was that we simultaneously became more disorganized and dysfunctional in the real world and all those people remained bottled up on the internet because they saw the circus going on and didn't want to wade into it and get burned.

This doesn't have anything to do with Jews. The National Alliance didn't collapse because of Jews. All these other organizations didn't atrophy and collapse because of Jews. The real problem was the public image of chronic dysfunction which was projected to everyone reading these sites at places like VNN Forum which is why they were dissuaded from becoming more active.



07-05-2017, 12:51 PM

[Hunter Wallace]

A [bad] trip down Memory Lane with the Bad Old Bowel Movement


https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12...4#post14160632
http://christian-identity.net/forum/...6714#post16714
http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6714#post16714

Here's a look back on the good old days: it is a trip down memory lane before the Alt-Right.

Glenn Miller runs for US Senate in Missouri:

KMBZ Glenn Miller Racist Senate Ad - YouTube

Craig Cobb takes a DNA test on the Trisha Goddard Show:

Racist Cobb Finds Out He Has Some Black In Him - YouTube

Martin Lindstedt remembers Billy Roper's 2004 Topeka rally:

Intro to Topeka 2004 Rally Footage 26Apr14 - YouTube

Bill White and ANSWP vs. the NSM:

Bill White's Staredown with the NSM - YouTube

Harold Covington creates fantasy YouTube videos about having an organization in the Pacific Northwest:

Northwest Front - Northwest Volunteer Army - YouTube

Von Bluvens introduces a new symbol for a new movement:

[Meercat #3]

http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6691#post16691

[Hunter Wallace]

http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6702#post16702

[Silly Roper]

http://christian-identity.net/forum/...6718#post16718
http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...6718#post16718

[Hunter Wallace]

Maybe White Nationalism 1.0 Wasn’t So Bad

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...6/__trashed-4/
http://christian-identity.net/forum/...7767#post17767
http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...7767#post17767

Fearless Leader Dr. William Pierce -- Book & Trinket Seller, ZOGbot with $400,000 in Order Loot

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I’ve been having second thoughts about WN 1.0.

The subject has been on my mind lately because it is a concept that we started propagating here many years ago. It was our friend Kievsky who articulated the difference between White Nationalism 1.0 and White Nationalism 2.0. He expanded on this concept on his own blog Mindweapons in Ragnarok although his definition has nothing to do with how the term is used today.

The term WN 1.0 survived the loss of its substance. Kievsky envisioned a White Nationalism 2.0 that would be based on what he described as the three pillars of The Culture of Learning, Entrepreneurialism and Tribalism. This ideal of White Nationalism 2.0 was about the furthest thing imaginable from the post-literate anonymous shitposters on imageboards who came to be entirely dependent on sharing viral memes on corporate social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

I lost interest in the subject and didn’t return to it until the months before Unite the Right in Charlottesville. By that point, I had come to associate WN 1.0 with the years in between the collapse of the National Alliance in 2002 and the rise of the Alt-Right and social media:

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“I’ve seen the term “White Nationalism 1.0” bandied about for years. I have always associated it with the White Nationalist movement in the 2000s. I remember it as a time when the movement was dominated by shitposting anonymous messages on vBulletin messageboards, micro-führers like Billy Roper viciously competing with each other over the same small pool of followers and the disorganization and chaos that followed the collapse of the National Alliance in 2002. It was the age of VNN Forum.

White Nationalism 1.0 was the pre-Richard Spencer, pre-Alt-Right, pre-social media era. It was the age of Billy Roper, Alex Linder and Erich Gliebe. It was the age of the vBulletin forum. It was White Nationalism before the smartphone and Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. …”

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The overwhelming thrust of my criticism was that WN 1.0 was bad because it was an age of anonymous shitposting. It was bad because the movement was deeply fractured, disorganized and inert. I complained at the time that “these guys were too individualistic to put their differences aside. Their message was too extreme to resonate. They also had unrealistic expectations.”

In everything I wrote about WN 1.0 though, I was careful to paint a more complex picture. Sure, there were buffoons like Glenn Miller, Craig Cobb and Von Bluvens, but there was also men like Gordon Baum, Don Black and Jared Taylor. I also wrote an article in which I listed all the reasons that WN 1.0 failed. I explained why it was never as simple as these guys were just clowns with bad optics.

In the two months before Unite the Right, I had an exchange of words with Billy Roper who opposed the rally in Charlottesville. He predicted at the time that Unite the Right would fail and that within weeks that its organizers would be at each others throats. I think it was Harold Covington who chimed in to agree with Roper on that point. HAC predicted that egos would collide and it would the wreck the whole thing. It had happened before many times in the past and it would likely happen again.

In hindsight, Roper and Covington were correct. That’s exactly what happened and how it played it out. Charlottesville wasn’t the unifying moment that we had expected it to be that would catalyze us to move beyond this era of anonymous shitposting. It was highly divisive and destroyed our momentum. It unraveled with amazing speed as the Alt-Right cracked and disintegrated after August 12th.

Six months later, I look at WN 1.0 and the Alt-Right in a new light. Specifically, the Alt-Right doesn’t really look that different from WN 1.0 if we understand the latter to be a group of largely anonymous people on the internet who were engaged in vicious infighting in the 2000s. If you compared the worst vitriol of VNN Forum in 2004 to the vitriol of shitposters on the chans, would it be better or worse?

Having lived through both WN 1.0 and the Alt-Right, a few differences come to mind:

1.) The Alt-Right’s penchant for vicious trolling wasn’t a prominent feature of WN 1.0. The closest thing that comes to mind would be Bob Whitaker’s Mantra. It was trolling but it was aggravating in the sense that you got tired of being screamed at in ALL CAPS that “Anti-Racists Are Anti-White.”

2.) The psychopathic hatred of women was also relatively absent from WN 1.0 which generally complained about the lack of women in the movement. The idea that White Nationalists would be talking about creating rape squads would have been considered scandalous a decade ago.

3.) WN 1.0 didn’t drive a wedge between generations. There wasn’t the same resentment against the Boomers who are blamed in every other breath these days.

4.) Even though people in WN 1.0 always argued over optics, it wasn’t nearly as focused on aesthetics. I recall bitter arguments over swastikas and brownshits. There was a bitter divide between suits and skinheads. Overall, it seems like WN 1.0 was more interested in morality while the Alt-Right is much more interested in optics. The latter is more visual than the former.

5.) WN 1.0 was far more intellectual than the Alt-Right. READ SIEGE is a meme but in the WN 1.0 days people had the attention span to write books. Academics can’t figure out what the Alt-Right is because it is a post-literate discourse that is communicated though tweets, images and memes.

Admittedly, I’ve been growing nostalgic for WN 1.0. The single best aspect of WN 1.0 was how much I learned in those years. More than anything else, I remember all the debates we had about history, philosophy, religion, science, etc. It was full of bright, well educated people who knew a great deal about the world. I was always learning something new. I’m also struck by how lowbrow the debates have become on forums compared to what I remember when I got involved in the scene.

Where is our William Pierce? I miss those erudite, serious voices. This isn’t a joke.
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