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    Transcript: The December Democratic debate, Part One

    By The Fix team
    Dec. 19, 2019 at 11:16 p.m. CST



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    Democratic presidential candidates met for the final debate of 2019 Thursday in Los Angeles. Below is a transcript of what they said.

    Candidates: Former vice president Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer

    Moderators: Judy Woodruff, Yamiche Alcindor and Amna Nawaz of PBS; Tim Alberta of Politico


    ANNOUNCER: This is the PBS "NewsHour" "Politico" Democratic Debate.

    Now, live from Los Angeles, Judy Woodruff.

    WOODRUFF: Welcome back.

    A quick reminder to have rules for this debate. Each candidate has one minute and 15 seconds to answer direct questions from the moderators, and 45 seconds to answer rebuttal and follow-up questions.

    Tonight's podium order on the stage was determined by an average of recent polls.

    Trump's Impeachment:

    And let's begin.

    To the candidates -- last night, at this hour, the House of Representatives voted for only the third time in American history to impeach a president. Every one of you was in favor of this action. But unlike 1974 and President Nixon, congressional Democrats have, so far, not convinced a strong majority of Americans to support impeachment of President Trump.

    Why do you think that is, and what can you say or do differently in the coming weeks to persuade more Americans that this is the right thing to do?

    I want to ask all of you to respond, but to begin with Vice President Biden.

    BIDEN: You know, Judy, it was a constitutional necessity for the House to act as it did. And, you know, Trump's response to suggest that only half of the American people want to see him thrown out of office now, I find, is dumbing down the presidency beyond what I even thought he would do. You know, is it any wonder that if you look at the international polling that's been done, that the Chinese leader is rated above American -- the American president or that Vladimir Putin congratulated him saying, stand fast and, in fact, it was a mistake to impeach him.

    You know, we need to restore the integrity of the presidency, the office of the presidency, and it's about time we get that underway. My job and I think the job of all of us up here is to, in fact -- well, that's not true, some are going to actually be voting in the Senate -- but my job is just to go out and make the case why he doesn't deserve to be president of the United States for another four years.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Sanders, why do you think more people are not in support of impeachment and what else can you do?

    SANDERS: Well, Judy, what I would say is that we have a president who is a pathological liar. We have a president who is running the most corrupt administration in the modern history of this country, and we have a president who is a fraud, because during his campaign, he told working people one thing, and he ended up doing something else.

    I believe, and I will personally be doing this in the coming weeks and months, is making the case that we have a president ho has sold out the working families of this country, who wants to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid after he promised he would not do that, and who has documentedly lied thousands of times since he is president.

    And the case is to be made is -- yes, certainly, I disagree with Trump on virtually all of his policies, but what conservatives, I think, understand is that we cannot have a president with that temperament who is dishonoring the presidency of the United States.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Warren, why do you think --

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: -- why do you think more Americans don't agree that this is the right thing to do? And what more can you say?

    WARREN: So, I see this as a constitutional moment. Last night, the president was impeached, and everyone now in the Senate who has taken a constitutional oath to uphold our Constitution -- and that doesn't mean loyalty to an individual, it doesn't mean loyalty to a political party, it means loyalty to our country -- and that vote will play out over the next several weeks.

    But the way I see this is we've now seen the impact of corruption, and that's what's clearly on the stage in 2020, is how we are going to run against the most corrupt president in living history.

    You know, this president has made corruption originally his argument that he would drain the swamp, and, yet, he came to Washington, broke that promise, and has done everything he can for the wealthy and the well-connected, from tax breaks to ambassadorships.

    We have to prosecute the case against him, and that means we need a candidate for president who can draw the sharpest distinction between the corruption of the Trump administration and a Democrat who is willing to get out and fight not for the wealthy and well-connected but to fight for everyone else. That's why I'm in this race.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Senator Klobuchar -- Senator Klobuchar, what argument can you make to persuade more Americans this is the right thing?

    KLOBUCHAR: Let me make the case to the American people. As a wise judge said, the president is not king in America, the law is king. And what James Madison once said when he was speaking out at the Constitutional Convention -- and, by the way, I think he's a pretty good size for a president, he was five-foot-four.

    (LAUGHTER)

    And what he said, he said the reason that we have these impeachment articles in the Constitution, that the provisions are in there, is because he feared that a president would betray the trust of the American people for a foreign power. That is what happened here.

    Watergate -- this is a global Watergate. In the case of Watergate, a paranoid president facing election looked for dirt on a political opponent. He did it by getting people to break in. This president did it by calling a foreign leader to look for dirt on a political opponent.

    And I would make this case: as we face this trial in the Senate, if the president claims that he is so innocent, then why doesn't he have all the presidents men testify? Richard Nixon had his top people testify.

    (APPLAUSE)

    We should be hearing from Mulvaney, who is the one under oath. Witnesses have said that Mulvaney is the one that said, OK, we're going to withhold this aid to a fledgling democracy to get dirt on a political opponent.

    We should hear from Bolton who told his own staff to go see a lawyer after they met with the president. That is the case.

    If President Trump thinks he should not be impeached, he should not be scared to put forward his own witnesses.

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg --

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg, what additional argument can you make to the American people?

    BUTTIGIEG: At the end of the day, this is beyond public opinions. This is beyond polls. This is beyond politics.

    The president left the House with no choice, and I think a lot of us are watching this process, watching Washington go through the motions, and not expecting much but a foregone conclusion when it gets to the Senate.

    We cannot give in to that sense of helplessness, because that's what they want. They want us to be taken in by that cynicism to where we give up on the process altogether. Meanwhile, their allies are laughing all the way to the bank, as we see policies that let giant corporations -- some of which made billions in profits, pay not just zero, but as we've recently learned negative taxes -- all the while they block policies that would actually boost wages for working Americans.

    Here's the good news: it's up to us. No matter what happens in the Senate, it is up to us in 2020. This is our chance to refuse to be taken in by the helplessness, to refuse and reject the cynicism.

    That is what this presidential election is about. It is what my campaign is about: our opportunity in 2020, no matter what happens in Washington, as a country, to change the course of this nation for the better.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang, what more --

    (APPLAUSE)

    YANG: I'm over here.

    WOODDRUFF: Mr. Yang, what more can you say (ph) to the American people?

    (CROSSTALK)

    YANG: Judy --

    WOODRUFF: I'm sorry, Mr. Steyer. I'm sorry.

    STEYER: Well, let me remind everyone that I'm the person who started the Need to Impeach Movement over two years ago because I --

    (APPLAUSE)

    STEYER: -- because I believe what counts here is actually the American people's opinion. Over eight and a half million signed that petition and dragged Washington into the idea that, actually, the most corrupt president in American history -- it's not a question of political expediency, it's not a question of political tactics, it's a question of right and wrong.

    So, now, when we look at what's going on, I actually agree with Senator Klobuchar. The question here is, if we want the American people to understand what's going on, we need to have the administration officials testify on TV so we can judge.

    The court that counts here is the court of public opinion. The American people deserve to see the truth of these administration officials testifying under oath so we can make up our mind. If we want Republican senators to do the right thing, we need their constituents to see the truth on TV and tell them, get rid of this guy or we'll get rid of you.

    That's what I believe in. I'm a believer in the grassroots as an outsider, getting the American people's voice to count. That's who I trust and that's who I trust now.

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang?

    (APPLAUSE)

    YANG: It's clear why Americans can't agree on impeachment, we're getting news from different sources, and it's making it hard for us even to agree on basic facts. Congressional approval rating, last I checked, was something like 17 percent, and Americans don't trust the media networks to tell them the truth.

    The media networks didn't do us any favors by missing a reason why Donald Trump became our president in the first place. If your turn on cable network news today, you would think he's our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton, and emails all mixed together.

    But Americans around the country know different. We blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri. I just left Iowa -- we blasted 40,000 manufacturing jobs there.

    The more we act like Donald Trump is the cause of all our problems, the more Americans lose trust that we can actually see what's going on in our communities and solve those problems.

    What we have to do is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment, which, unfortunately, strikes many Americans like a ball game where you know what the score is going to be, and actually start digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. We have to take every opportunity to present a new positive vision for the country, a new way forward to help beat him in 2020 because, make no mistake, he'll be there at the ballot box for us to defeat.

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Mr. Yang.

    (APPLAUSE)

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    Transcript: The December Democratic debate
    Democratic presidential candidates meet for the sixth and last Democratic presidential primary debate of 2019. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
    Democratic presidential candidates meet for the sixth and last Democratic presidential primary debate of 2019. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
    By The Fix team
    Dec. 19, 2019 at 11:16 p.m. CST
    Democratic presidential candidates met for the final debate of 2019 Thursday in Los Angeles. Below is a transcript of what they said.

    Candidates: Former vice president Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer

    Moderators: Judy Woodruff, Yamiche Alcindor and Amna Nawaz of PBS; Tim Alberta of Politico

    Winners and losers from the Democratic debate

    ANNOUNCER: This is the PBS "NewsHour" "Politico" Democratic Debate.

    Now, live from Los Angeles, Judy Woodruff.

    WOODRUFF: Welcome back.

    A quick reminder to have rules for this debate. Each candidate has one minute and 15 seconds to answer direct questions from the moderators, and 45 seconds to answer rebuttal and follow-up questions.

    Tonight's podium order on the stage was determined by an average of recent polls.

    AD
    And let's begin.

    To the candidates -- last night, at this hour, the House of Representatives voted for only the third time in American history to impeach a president. Every one of you was in favor of this action. But unlike 1974 and President Nixon, congressional Democrats have, so far, not convinced a strong majority of Americans to support impeachment of President Trump.

    Why do you think that is, and what can you say or do differently in the coming weeks to persuade more Americans that this is the right thing to do?

    I want to ask all of you to respond, but to begin with Vice President Biden.

    BIDEN: You know, Judy, it was a constitutional necessity for the House to act as it did. And, you know, Trump's response to suggest that only half of the American people want to see him thrown out of office now, I find, is dumbing down the presidency beyond what I even thought he would do. You know, is it any wonder that if you look at the international polling that's been done, that the Chinese leader is rated above American -- the American president or that Vladimir Putin congratulated him saying, stand fast and, in fact, it was a mistake to impeach him.

    AD
    You know, we need to restore the integrity of the presidency, the office of the presidency, and it's about time we get that underway. My job and I think the job of all of us up here is to, in fact -- well, that's not true, some are going to actually be voting in the Senate -- but my job is just to go out and make the case why he doesn't deserve to be president of the United States for another four years.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Sanders, why do you think more people are not in support of impeachment and what else can you do?

    SANDERS: Well, Judy, what I would say is that we have a president who is a pathological liar. We have a president who is running the most corrupt administration in the modern history of this country, and we have a president who is a fraud, because during his campaign, he told working people one thing, and he ended up doing something else.

    AD
    I believe, and I will personally be doing this in the coming weeks and months, is making the case that we have a president ho has sold out the working families of this country, who wants to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid after he promised he would not do that, and who has documentedly lied thousands of times since he is president.

    And the case is to be made is -- yes, certainly, I disagree with Trump on virtually all of his policies, but what conservatives, I think, understand is that we cannot have a president with that temperament who is dishonoring the presidency of the United States.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Warren, why do you think --

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: -- why do you think more Americans don't agree that this is the right thing to do? And what more can you say?

    WARREN: So, I see this as a constitutional moment. Last night, the president was impeached, and everyone now in the Senate who has taken a constitutional oath to uphold our Constitution -- and that doesn't mean loyalty to an individual, it doesn't mean loyalty to a political party, it means loyalty to our country -- and that vote will play out over the next several weeks.

    AD
    But the way I see this is we've now seen the impact of corruption, and that's what's clearly on the stage in 2020, is how we are going to run against the most corrupt president in living history.

    You know, this president has made corruption originally his argument that he would drain the swamp, and, yet, he came to Washington, broke that promise, and has done everything he can for the wealthy and the well-connected, from tax breaks to ambassadorships.

    We have to prosecute the case against him, and that means we need a candidate for president who can draw the sharpest distinction between the corruption of the Trump administration and a Democrat who is willing to get out and fight not for the wealthy and well-connected but to fight for everyone else. That's why I'm in this race.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Senator Klobuchar -- Senator Klobuchar, what argument can you make to persuade more Americans this is the right thing?

    AD
    KLOBUCHAR: Let me make the case to the American people. As a wise judge said, the president is not king in America, the law is king. And what James Madison once said when he was speaking out at the Constitutional Convention -- and, by the way, I think he's a pretty good size for a president, he was five-foot-four.

    (LAUGHTER)

    And what he said, he said the reason that we have these impeachment articles in the Constitution, that the provisions are in there, is because he feared that a president would betray the trust of the American people for a foreign power. That is what happened here.

    Watergate -- this is a global Watergate. In the case of Watergate, a paranoid president facing election looked for dirt on a political opponent. He did it by getting people to break in. This president did it by calling a foreign leader to look for dirt on a political opponent.

    AD
    And I would make this case: as we face this trial in the Senate, if the president claims that he is so innocent, then why doesn't he have all the presidents men testify? Richard Nixon had his top people testify.

    (APPLAUSE)

    We should be hearing from Mulvaney, who is the one under oath. Witnesses have said that Mulvaney is the one that said, OK, we're going to withhold this aid to a fledgling democracy to get dirt on a political opponent.

    We should hear from Bolton who told his own staff to go see a lawyer after they met with the president. That is the case.

    If President Trump thinks he should not be impeached, he should not be scared to put forward his own witnesses.

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg --

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg, what additional argument can you make to the American people?

    BUTTIGIEG: At the end of the day, this is beyond public opinions. This is beyond polls. This is beyond politics.

    AD
    The president left the House with no choice, and I think a lot of us are watching this process, watching Washington go through the motions, and not expecting much but a foregone conclusion when it gets to the Senate.

    We cannot give in to that sense of helplessness, because that's what they want. They want us to be taken in by that cynicism to where we give up on the process altogether. Meanwhile, their allies are laughing all the way to the bank, as we see policies that let giant corporations -- some of which made billions in profits, pay not just zero, but as we've recently learned negative taxes -- all the while they block policies that would actually boost wages for working Americans.

    Here's the good news: it's up to us. No matter what happens in the Senate, it is up to us in 2020. This is our chance to refuse to be taken in by the helplessness, to refuse and reject the cynicism.

    AD
    That is what this presidential election is about. It is what my campaign is about: our opportunity in 2020, no matter what happens in Washington, as a country, to change the course of this nation for the better.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang, what more --

    (APPLAUSE)

    YANG: I'm over here.

    WOODDRUFF: Mr. Yang, what more can you say (ph) to the American people?

    (CROSSTALK)

    YANG: Judy --

    WOODRUFF: I'm sorry, Mr. Steyer. I'm sorry.

    STEYER: Well, let me remind everyone that I'm the person who started the Need to Impeach Movement over two years ago because I --

    (APPLAUSE)

    STEYER: -- because I believe what counts here is actually the American people's opinion. Over eight and a half million signed that petition and dragged Washington into the idea that, actually, the most corrupt president in American history -- it's not a question of political expediency, it's not a question of political tactics, it's a question of right and wrong.

    So, now, when we look at what's going on, I actually agree with Senator Klobuchar. The question here is, if we want the American people to understand what's going on, we need to have the administration officials testify on TV so we can judge.

    The court that counts here is the court of public opinion. The American people deserve to see the truth of these administration officials testifying under oath so we can make up our mind. If we want Republican senators to do the right thing, we need their constituents to see the truth on TV and tell them, get rid of this guy or we'll get rid of you.

    That's what I believe in. I'm a believer in the grassroots as an outsider, getting the American people's voice to count. That's who I trust and that's who I trust now.

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang?

    (APPLAUSE)

    YANG: It's clear why Americans can't agree on impeachment, we're getting news from different sources, and it's making it hard for us even to agree on basic facts. Congressional approval rating, last I checked, was something like 17 percent, and Americans don't trust the media networks to tell them the truth.

    The media networks didn't do us any favors by missing a reason why Donald Trump became our president in the first place. If your turn on cable network news today, you would think he's our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton, and emails all mixed together.

    But Americans around the country know different. We blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri. I just left Iowa -- we blasted 40,000 manufacturing jobs there.

    The more we act like Donald Trump is the cause of all our problems, the more Americans lose trust that we can actually see what's going on in our communities and solve those problems.

    What we have to do is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment, which, unfortunately, strikes many Americans like a ball game where you know what the score is going to be, and actually start digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. We have to take every opportunity to present a new positive vision for the country, a new way forward to help beat him in 2020 because, make no mistake, he'll be there at the ballot box for us to defeat.

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Mr. Yang.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Let's turn now to an issue that is on the minds of all Americans, and that is the economy.

    Senator Sanders, today, the House of Representatives voted for a new bipartisan trade agreement among the United States, Canada and Mexico. It was supported by union-friendly leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi and big labor groups like the AFL-CIO. They say it is going to be a big job creator.

    Senator, my question is, will you support this deal? And, if not, why not?

    SANDERS: Judy, you're talking to somebody who, unlike some of my colleagues here, voted against NAFTA, voted against PNTR with China -- two agreements that cost us over 4 million decent-paying jobs.

    Now, I don't agree with the -- your statement that people think this is going to be a great job creator. This is a modest improvement over what we have right now. It would allow, hopefully, Mexican workers to organize into unions, independent unions and be able to negotiate decent contracts.

    But at the end of the day, in my view, it is not going to stop outsourcing. It is not going to stop corporations from moving to Mexico, where manufacturing workers make less than $2 an hour.

    What we need is a trade policy that stands up for workers, stands up for farmers. And, by the way, the word "climate change," to the best of my knowledge, is not discussed in this new NAFTA agreement at all, which is an outrage. So, no, I will not be voting for this agreement, although it makes some modest improvements.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Klobuchar?

    KLOBUCHAR: I have a different view. I'll go with my friend, Sherrod Brown, who has voted against every trade agreement that's come in front of him, and he's voting for this, and I am, too.

    And the reason I am voting for it is that I believe that we have a change with this agreement. I would not have voted for the agreement that President Trump put forward, but we've got better labor standards, better environmental standards, and a better deal when it comes to the pharmaceutical provision, which I also opposed.

    Ninety-five percent of our customers are outside of our borders. And we have to make sure that we have trade agreements that are more fair, because if we can encourage work made in America, every time you hold something in your hand that says "Made in America," it is the ingenuity of our workers, it is the quality of a product, it is equality of our workers, and it is the hopes and dreams of the American people.

    I think this agreement -- while Senator Sanders is correct, there are some issues with it -- is much better than the one originally proposed. And for those farmers in the Midwest and for those people that have been hurt by the fact that we will not have a trade segment with Mexico and with Canada and the United States, I think that this is a much better deal.

    WOODRUFF: All right, we can pull some of your -- I see some other hands up. I want to move to the next question, and you can bring in, I think, your points with this.

    This one I'm going to initially address to Vice President Biden, and that is the overall U.S. economy right now looks strong. The unemployment rate is at historic lows. Unemployment among African-Americans is down. The markets are booming. Wages, while not growing as much as many would like, they're still doing about as well as they were in the Obama-Biden era.

    My question to you, Mr. Vice President, is what is your argument to the voter watching this debate tonight who may not like everything President Trump does but they really like this economy and they don't know why they should make a change.

    BIDEN: Well, I don't think they really do like the economy. Go back and talk to the old neighborhoods and middle-class neighborhoods you grew up in. The middle class is getting killed. The middle class is getting crushed. And the working class has no way up as a consequence of that.

    You have, for example, farmers in the Midwest, 40 percent of them couldn't pay their bills last year. You have most Americans, if they received a bill for $400 or more, they'd have to sell something or borrow the money.

    The middle class is not as behind the eight ball. We have to make sure that they have an even shot. We have to eliminate a significant number of these god-awful tax cuts that were given to the very wealthy. We have to invest in education. We have to invest in health care. We have to invest in those things that make a difference in the lives of middle-class people so they can maintain their standard of living.

    That's not being done. And the idea that we're growing -- we're not growing. The wealthy, very wealthy are growing. Ordinary people are not growing. They are not happy with where they are. And that's why we must change this presidency now.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg, is that your -- is that your assessment?

    BUTTIGIEG: Yes. Where I live, folks aren't measuring the economy by how the Dow Jones is looking. They're measuring the economy by how they're doing. When you're doing the bills at the end of the month at your kitchen table, and you find that even if your wages have gone up, it's not nearly going as fast as the cost of health and housing.

    This economy is not working for most of us, for the middle class, and -- I know you're only ever supposed to say middle class and not poor in politics, but we've got to talk about poverty in this country. There is not one county in the United States of America where someone working full-time at the minimum wage can afford a two-bedroom apartment. In most places, not even a one-bedroom apartment.

    The biggest problem in our economy is simple: People are not getting paid enough. That is not the result of some mysterious cosmic force. It's the result of bad policy. And we've got to change it by raising wages and empowering workers.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang? Mr. Yang?

    YANG: GDP and corporate profits are at record highs in America today. Also at record highs? Depression, financial insecurity, student loan debt.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Even suicides and drug overdoses. It has gotten so bad that our life expectancy as a country has declined for the last three years because suicides and drug overdoses have overtaken vehicle deaths for the first time in American history.

    The fact is, this unemployment rate and GDP have very little relationship with people's lived experience on the ground. If you're a recent college graduate, you have a 40 percent chance of doing a job that doesn't require a college degree. That doesn't show up in the headline unemployment rate, nor does all of the families that are working two or three jobs to get by.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Senator Warren, you have your hand up.

    WARREN: I do.

    WOODRUFF: And I have a question for you.

    WARREN: Well, I want to answer this question.

    WOODRUFF: Go ahead. Go ahead.

    WARREN: Because here's the problem. I'm proud to stand on a stage with Democrats who understand that a rise in GDP, rise in corporate profits is not being felt by millions of families across this country. I'm proud to stand on a stage with people who see that America's middle class is being hollowed out and that working families and poor people are being left behind.

    What we need to talk about, though, is why that has happened. And the answer is we've got a government that works great for those with money and doesn't work for much of anyone else. We have a government that works great for giant drug companies, just not for someone trying to fill a prescription. Works great for people who want to make money on private prisons and private detention centers at our border, just not for the people whose lives are torn apart.

    Works great for giant oil companies that want to drill everywhere, but not for the rest of us who see climate change bearing down upon us.

    (APPLAUSE)

    And when you see a government that works great for the wealthy and the well-connected and for no one else, that is corruption, pure and simple. And we need to call it out for what it is.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: I want -- I want, Senator Sanders, if you would, a brief response, and then I have another question.

    SANDERS: Look, here's the response. Trump goes around saying the economy is doing great. Do you know what real inflation accounted for wages went up last year? 1.1 percent. That ain't great.

    Tonight, while three people own more wealth than the bottom half of America, 500,000 Americans, including 30,000 veterans, are sleeping out on the streets. Today in America, we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on Earth, more income and wealth inequality than since the 1920s. We need an economy that works for working families, not just the 1 percent. That is what our campaign is about.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Senator Warren, I have a question for you. Every candidate on the stage has proposed tax increases on the wealthy. But you have especially ambitious plans that, apart from health care, would hike taxes an additional $8 trillion over the decade, the biggest tax increase since World War II. How do you answer top economists who say taxes of this magnitude would stifle growth and investment?

    WARREN: Oh, they're just wrong.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Let's start with a wealth tax. The idea of a two-cent tax on the great fortunes in this country, $50 million and above. For two cents, what can we do? We can invest in the rest of America. We can provide universal childcare, early childhood education for every baby in this country, age 0 to 5, universal pre-K for every 3-year-old and 4-year-old, and raise the wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher.

    We can do even more for our public schools, for college graduates. We can cancel student loan debt. But think about the economic impact of that. You leave two cents with the billionaires, they're not eating more pizzas, they're not buying more cars. We invest that 2 percent in early childhood education and childcare, that means those babies get top-notch care. It means their mamas can finish their education. It means their mamas and their daddies can take on real jobs, harder jobs, longer hours.

    WOODRUFF: And...

    WARREN: We can increase productivity in this country. And we can start building this economy from the ground up. That's how we build it in small towns. That's how we build it in rural America. And that's how we built it in urban America. An economy that works, not for Wall Street, but that works for Main Street.

    WOODRUFF: Brief answers -- brief responses from Mr. Steyer and Mr. Buttigieg.

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    STEYER: So let me say that I agree with Senator Warren in much of what she says. I've been for a wealth tax for over a year. I'm in favor of undoing all the tax breaks for rich people and big corporations that this administration has put through.

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    And in addition, I've talked about equilibrating the taxes on passive investment income, which would allow us to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans by 10 percent.

    But there's something else going on here that I think is really important, and that's this. We know Mr. Trump is going to run on the economy. I built a business over 30 years from scratch. We're going to have to take him on, on the economy in terms of growth, as well as economic justice. We're going to have to be able to talk about growth, prosperity across the board for everyone in America.

    My experience building a business, understanding how to make that happen, means I can go toe-to-toe with Mr. Trump and take him down on the economy and expose him as a fraud and a failure. And I think that's different from the other people on this stage. I think we need a different, unconventional way of attacking a different, unconventional president who actually went after the best-prepared candidate in American history and beat her.

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: We’re also being -- right now, I think we’re being offered a false choice that you either have to go all the way to the extreme or it’s business as usual. Yes, we must deliver big ideas and, yes, taxes on wealthy individuals and on corporations are going to have to go up.

    We can also be smart about the promises we're making, make sure they're promises that we can keep without the kind of taxation that economists tell us could hurt the economy.

    It's why, for example, I've proposed that we make college free for 80 percent of Americans. But it doesn't have to be free for the top. If you're in that top 10 percent, how about you pay your own tuition and we save those dollars for something else that we could spend them on that would make a big difference, whether it's infrastructure, childcare, housing, health?

    On issue after issue, we've got to break out of the Washington mindset that measures the bigness of an idea by how many trillions of dollars it adds to the budget or the boldness of an idea by how many fellow Americans it can antagonize.

    WOODRUFF: We're going to take a short break and we'll be right back in two minutes with questions from my fellow moderators.

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    ANNOUNCER: Live from Los Angeles, the PBS NewsHour/Politico Democratic...

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    ANNOUNCER: Live from Los Angeles, the PBS NewsHour/Politico Democratic debate continues. Once again, Judy Woodruff.

    WOODRUFF: Welcome back to the PBS NewsHour/Politico Democratic presidential debate. The next question is from Tim Alberta of Politico.

    ALBERTA: Thanks, Judy. Candidates, good evening. We're going to talk about climate now. Senator Klobuchar, many scientists say that even if the U.S. reduced its carbon footprint to zero by the year 2050, the damage will have been done, that climate change will have made certain places in the U.S. unlivable.

    So knowing this, would you support a new federal program to subsidize the relocation of American families and businesses away from places like Miami or Paradise, California, perhaps, Davenport, Iowa, because we know these places are going to be hit time and time again?

    KLOBUCHAR: Well, I don't -- I very much hope we're not going to have to relocate entire cities, but we will probably have to relocate some individual residents.

    And the problem right now is that this climate change is an existential crisis. And you are seeing it here in California with the fires that you just had. You saw it in Northern California, as was mentioned with Paradise. And the most moving video from that to me was the 30-second video of that dad driving his little girl through the lapping fires with his neighborhood burning behind him and singing to her to calm her down.

    We cannot wait to act. There is an Ojibway saying that great leaders make decisions not for this generation, but seven generations from now. This president doesn't keep his decisions for seven minutes.

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    So what I think we need to do, get back into the international climate change agreement. I will do that on day one. On day two, bring back the clean power rules. On day three, the gas mileage standards. I see the governor of California, who's been working so hard to get those done, defied every step of the way by the Trump administration. And then introduce sweeping legislation to put a price on carbon and build a fridge to the next century, which means we must upgrade our buildings and our building standards.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Senator Klobuchar.

    Mr. Steyer, would you support such a new federal program, again, to help subsidize the relocation of these families?

    STEYER: Look, I am hoping that we, in fact, will do what I'm suggesting, which is declare a state of emergency on day one of my presidency. I have made this -- I believe I'm the only person here who will say unequivocally this is my number-one priority.

    I know that we have to deal with this crisis. I know that we have to deal with it from the standpoint of environmental justice. I've been working on this for more than a decade. I've taken on oil companies and beaten them on environmental laws. I've pushed clean energy across this country. I've prevented pipelines and I've prevented fossil fuel plants.

    But what I know is this: Not only can we clear up the air and water in the black and brown communities where our pollution is concentrated, this is also the opportunity to create literally millions of middle-class union jobs, well-paid, across the United States of America.

    Our biggest crisis is our biggest opportunity. And if we don't declare a state of emergency on day one, I don't understand how we go to the people around the world to lead the coalition that has to happen and that only America can lead.

    Look, this is a generational question. I have a lot of respect for the people on this stage. I know everybody is worried about this. But, for instance, I would call on Mayor Buttigieg to prioritize this higher because the people in his generation understand that this is a crisis that we have to go on right now, but it's also...

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    STEYER: ... the greatest opportunity to rebuild and reinvent America.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Mr. Buttigieg, 45 seconds to respond.

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    BUTTIGIEG: Well, I've made clear that this will be a topic of day one action. And this is not theoretical for me. I live in one of those river cities that you're talking about. Not only that, I live right by the river. My neighborhood flooded in the second of two once in a millennium floods that we had in two years. Do the math on that. So I know what's at stake.

    And it's why I insist that we act with a carbon tax and dividend with massive increases in renewable research, on renewable energy, energy storage, and carbon storage. But bigger than that, we have to summon the energies of the entire country to deal with this.

    I've seen politicians in Washington saying the right thing about climate change as long as I've been alive, all these plans we have to get carbon neutral by 2050. And I think most or all of us have one. Their impact is multiplied by zero unless something actually gets done.

    ALBERTA: We'd like to switch...

    BUTTIGIEG: And that is why I want to make sure that our vision for climate includes people from the autoworker down the block from me in South Bend to a farmer a few minutes away so that they understand that we are asking, recruiting them to be part of the solution, not beating them over the head and telling them they're part of the problem.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'd like to switch gears slightly.

    Vice President Biden, I'd like to ask you. Three consecutive American presidents have enjoyed stints of explosive economic growth due to a boom in oil and natural gas production. As president, would you be willing to sacrifice some of that growth, even knowing potentially that it could displace thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of blue-collar workers in the interest of transitioning to that greener economy?

    BIDEN: The answer is yes. The answer is yes, because the opportunity -- the opportunity for those workers to transition to high-paying jobs, as Tom said, is real. We're the only country in the world that's ever taken great, great crises and turned them into enormous opportunities.

    I've met with the union leaders. For example, we should, in fact, be making that -- making sure right now that every new building built is energy contained, that it doesn't leak energy, that, in fact -- we should be providing tax credits for people to be able to make their homes turn to solar power, where -- there's all kinds of folks out here, right here in California, who are now on the verge of having batteries that are about the size of the top of this podium that you can store energy when, in fact, the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

    We have enormous opportunities. For example, you talk about, would we relocate people who, in fact, were in a position where they lost their home? We have to not rebuild to the standard that existed before when we talk about when we come in and help people. We have to rebuild with the standard that exists today.

    For example, we shouldn't build another new highway in America that doesn't have charging stations on it. We have an opportunity to put 550,000 charging stations so that we own the electrical vehicle market, creating millions of jobs for people installing them, as well as making sure that we own the electric vehicle market. There are so many things we can do, and we have to make sure we explain it to those people who are displaced, that their skills are going to be needed for the new opportunities.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Vice President Biden.

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    Senator Sanders?

    SANDERS: Tim, in all due respect, your question misses the mark. It is not an issue of relocating people in towns. The issue now is whether we save the planet for our children and our grandchildren.

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    The issue, as you should know, what the scientists are telling us is they have underestimated the threat and severity of climate change. You're talking about the Paris agreement, that's fine. Ain't enough. We have got to -- and I've introduced legislation to do this -- declare a national emergency.

    The United States has got to lead the world. And maybe, just maybe, instead of spending $1.8 trillion a year globally on weapons of destruction, maybe an American president, i.e. Bernie Sanders, can lead the world, instead of spending money to kill each other, maybe we pool our resources and fight our common enemy, which is climate change.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Senator Sanders. Thank you, Senator Sanders.

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    Senator Warren, a new question to you, Senator Warren. Many of our Western allies rely heavily on nuclear energy because it's efficient, affordable, and virtually carbon-free. And many climate experts believe that it's impossible to realize your goal of net zero emissions by the year 2050 without utilizing nuclear energy. So can you have it both ways on this issue?

    WARREN: So I see right now is we've got to get the carbon -- we've got to stop putting more carbon into the air. We've got to get the carbon out of the air and out of the water. And that means that we need to keep some of our nuclear in place.

    I will not build more nuclear. I want to put the energy, literally, and the money and the resources behind clean energy and by increasing by tenfold what we put into science, what we put into research and development. We need to do what we do best, and that is innovate our way out of this problem and be a world leader.

    But understand, the biggest climate problem we face is the politicians in Washington who keep saying the right thing but continue to take money from the oil industry, continue to bow down to the lobbyists, to the lawyers, to the think-tanks, to the bought-and-paid-for experts.

    America understands that we've got to make change and we're running out of time, that climate change threatens every living thing on this planet. But getting Congress to act, you know, they just don't want to hear it. And if we don't attack the corruption first, if we don't attack the corruption head-on, then we're not going to be able to make the changes we need to make on climate, on gun safety, on drug pricing, on all of the big problems that face us.

    ALBERTA: Thank you.

    WARREN: We need a Washington that doesn't just work for the rich and the powerful. We need one that works for our families.

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    ALBERTA: Thank you, Senator.

    Senator Klobuchar, and then I would like to bring in Mr. Yang and Mr. Steyer for follow-ups.

    KLOBUCHAR: Yeah, I want to add to what Elizabeth said. So the way we tackle corruption is by winning big in this election. And the way we take on climate change in a big way is by, yes, talking about what's happening on the coasts, as I just did, but also talking about what's happening in the Midwest, where I'm from. It's not flyover country to me. I live there.

    And what we are seeing there is unprecedented flooding. We're seeing an increase, 50 percent increase in homeowners insurance over the last few years. And when we make these changes, we have to make clear to people that when we put a price on carbon, that that money is going to come back to those areas where people are going to be hurt, where jobs are going to change, and to make them whole with their energy bills.

    When you make the case like that, you bring in the Midwestern votes. You win big. And I think the best way to do it is by putting someone at the top of the ticket who is from the Midwest.

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    ALBERTA: Mr. Yang, Mr. Yang, 45 seconds, on the issue of nuclear energy.

    YANG: Well, first, we should obviously be paying to relocate Americans away from places that are hit by climate change. We're already doing it. We relocated a town in Louisiana that became uninhabitable because the sea levels rose. And we know that town is not alone. That's playing out in coastal areas around the country.

    The question is, do you leave that town on its own to fend for itself? Or do you come together as a country and say, we need to protect our people from climate change?

    Part of my plan is literally called "move people to higher ground," because that's what we need to do. And that's literal and figurative. Here in California, it's forest fires and forest management.

    On nuclear power, I agree with the research. We need to have everything on the table in a crisis situation, which this is. Other countries have had success with nuclear power. And the next generation thorium reactors have a wealth of potential. Thorium is not radioactive the way uranium is. It doesn't last as long. And you can't make a weapon out of it. If we're going to innovate our way out of this, as...

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Yang.

    YANG: ... Elizabeth is saying, then we have to have nuclear on the table.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Yang. The last word climate to you, Mr. Steyer.

    STEYER: Look, the point about nuclear power is, it's not at the stage in the United States where it's competitive on price. It has a lot of risks to it in terms of disasters. And we have no ability to store the toxins that come out of it and last 100,000 years.

    We actually have the technology that we need. It's called wind and solar and batteries. So, in fact, what we need to do, we can do. We've got to stop taking a look at this as something that we can't do, because we can do this, and we can do it in a way that creates, rebuilds this country on an accelerated basis, creates millions of union jobs, and we come at it from the standpoint of environmental justice.

    This is our greatest opportunity to reinvent this country, to actually take on the biggest challenge in history and succeed together. You want to pull the country together with all this partisanship? Let's take on the biggest challenge in history and succeed together as a nation. That's what pulls people together.

    ALBERTA: Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Amna?

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    NAWAZ: Thanks, Tim.

    Vice President Biden, you've been reassuring voters that things will return to normal once President Trump leaves office, that Republicans will have what you call an epiphany and come to the table to work with a Biden administration. But given everything that you have seen from current Republicans, what evidence is there that things will change?

    BIDEN: Look, I didn't say return to normal. Normal's not enough. Normal -- in fact, we have to move beyond normal, whether it's health care, the environment, whatever it is. We have to build on what we had started in our administration, and that's been interrupted very badly, number one.

    Number two, with Trump out of the way, it's not going to change things in a fundamental way. But what it will do is it will mean that we're in a position where he's not going to be able to intimidate the base, his base is not going to be able to intimidate those half a dozen Republicans we may need in other things.

    I refuse to accept the notion, as some on this stage do, that we can never, never get to a place where we have cooperation again. If that's the case, we're dead as a country. We need to be able to reach a consensus. And if anyone has reason to be angry with the Republicans and not want to cooperate it's me, the way they've attacked me, my son, and my family. I have no -- no -- no love.

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    But the fact is, we have to -- we have to be able to get things done. And when we can't convince them, we go out and beat them like we did in the 2018 election in red states and in purple states.

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    NAWAZ: Thank you, Mr. Biden.

    Mr. Yang, I want to switch topics to you, Mr. Yang, a new question. The Democratic Party relies on black, Hispanic, and Asian voters, but you are the only candidate of color on the stage tonight, and the entire field remains overwhelmingly white. What message do you think this sends to voters of color?

    YANG: It's both an honor and disappointment to be the lone candidate of color on the stage tonight. I miss Kamala, I miss Cory, though I think Cory will be back.

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    I grew up the son of immigrants, and I had many racial epithets used against me as a kid. But black and Latinos have something much more powerful working against them than words. They have numbers. The average net worth of a black household is only 10 percent that of a white household. For Latinos, it's 12 percent. If you're a black woman, you're 320 percent more likely to die from complications in childbirth.

    These are the numbers that define race in our country. And the question is, why am I the lone candidate of color on this stage? Fewer than 5 percent of Americans donate to political campaigns. You know what you need to donate to political campaigns? Disposable income.

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    The way that we fix it -- the way we fix this is we take Martin Luther King's message of a guaranteed minimum income, a freedom dividend of $1,000 a month for all Americans. I guarantee, if we had a freedom dividend of $1,000 a month, I would not be the only candidate of color on this stage tonight.

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    NAWAZ: Thank you, Mr. Yang.

    Senator Sanders, I do want to put the same question to you, Senator Sanders. What message do you think...

    SANDERS: I will answer that question, but I wanted to get back to the issue of climate change for a moment, because I do believe this is the existential issue.

    NAWAZ: Senator, with all respect, this question is about race. Can you answer the question as it was asked?

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    SANDERS: I certainly can. Because people of color, in fact, are going to be the people suffering most if we do not deal with climate change.

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    And by the way, we have an obligation up here, if there are not any of our African-American brothers and sisters up here, to speak about an economy in which African-Americans are exploited, where black women die three times at higher rates than white women, where we have a criminal justice system which is racist and broken, disproportionately made up of African-Americans and Latinos and Native Americans who are in jail.

    So we need an economy that focuses on the needs of oppressed, exploited people, and that is the African-American community.

    NAWAZ: Thank you, Senator.

    Yamiche?

    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Amna.

    Senator Klobuchar, here in California, people who identify as Hispanic, black, Asian, or multiracial represent a majority of the population, outnumbering white residents. The United States is expected to be majority nonwhite within a generation. What do you say to white Americans who are uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a racial minority, even if you don't share their concerns?

    KLOBUCHAR: I say this is America. You're looking at it. And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy.

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. Well, that's what we are doing right now. And to me, that means, one, that everyone can vote, and that includes our communities of color. This action that's been taken by this president and his people and his governors all over the country is wrong. They have made it harder for African-Americans to vote, as one court said, discriminated with surgical precision.

    What would I do? As one of the leaders on voting in the U.S. Senate, one, stop the purging. As Stacey Abrams said, you know, you do not stop having your right to assemble if you don't go to a meeting for a year. Because you don't go to a church or a synagogue or a mosque for three months, you don't lose your right to worship. You shouldn't lose your right to vote.

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    I would pass as president my bill to register every kid in this country when they turn 18 to vote. That would make all of these discriminatory actions in these states go away. And I would stop the gerrymandering, in addition to the agenda of economic opportunity, because as Martin Luther King said, what good is it to integrate a lunch counter if you can't afford a hamburger?

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    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Senator. Let's now turn to the issue of foreign policy and the Middle East. Senator Sanders, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently declared that the United States believes Israeli settlements in the West Bank do not violate international law. That broke decades-long U.S. precedent. How would you respond to Israeli expansion of settlements? Would you link that to foreign aid to Israel?

    SANDERS: Israel has -- and I say this as somebody who lived in Israel as a kid, proudly Jewish -- Israel has the right not only to exist, but to exist in peace and security.

    But what -- but what U.S. foreign policy must be about is not just being pro-Israel. We must be pro-Palestinian, as well.

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    And whether, in my view -- we must understand that right now in Israel we have leadership under Netanyahu, who has recently, as you know, been indicted for bribery, who, in my view, is a racist -- what we need is a level playing field in terms of the Middle East, which addresses the terrible crisis in Gaza, where 60 percent or 70 percent of the young people are unemployed.

    So what my foreign policy will be about is human rights, is democracy, is bringing people together in a peaceful way, trying to negotiate agreements, not endless wars with trillions of dollars of expenses.

    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Senator.

    Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: What we are seeing in the Middle East and around the world are the consequences of this president's failure, this president's refusal to lead. It's particularly disturbing in the case of Israel because he has infused domestic politics, making U.S. foreign policy choices in order to effectively interfere in Israeli domestic politics, acting as though that somehow makes him pro-Israel and pro-Jewish, while welcoming white nationalists into the White House.

    But it's not only in the Middle East that we see the consequences of the disappearance of U.S. leadership. We see among our allies and among our adversaries case after case where the world is making plans on what to do, ignoring the United States, because we're no longer considered reliable.

    It's not just the mockery at a cocktail party on the sidelines of a conference. It's the looks on the faces of the leaders at the U.N. as they looked at the United States president with a mixture of contempt and pity.

    As an American, I never again want to see the American president looked at that way by the leaders of the world. The world needs America right now. But it can't be just any America. It has to be one that is actually living up to the values that make us who we are: supporting peace, supporting democracy, supporting human rights, and supporting stability around the world.

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    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg.

    Senator Warren, President Obama pledged to close the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay but could not. Forty prisoners remain there. Last year, U.S. taxpayers paid $540 million to keep Guantanamo open. Would you pledge to finally close the detention facility? And if elected, how will you do it?

    WARREN: Yes. It is time to close this detention facility. It not only costs us money, it is an international embarrassment.

    We have to be an America that lives our values every single day. We can't be an America that stands up and asks people to fight alongside us, as we did with the Kurds in fighting ISIS, and then turn around in the blink of a tweet and say that we're turning our backs on the people who stood beside us. After that, who wants to be an ally of the United States?

    We have to be an America that understands the difference and recognizes the difference between our allies, the people who will work alongside us, and the dictators who would do us harm.

    And we need to treat our allies better than we treat the dictators. That needs to be our job as an America.

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    We have -- we have the finest military on Earth. All three of my brothers served. And we have people on this stage who have served, and I am deeply grateful for that. Our military is strong and important, but we need to be an America that relies on our State Department, that relies on diplomacy, that relies on our economic power and that relies on working together with the rest of the world to build a world that is sustainable environmentally and economically for everyone.

    ALCINDOR: Thank you. Thank you, Senator Warren.

    Vice President Biden, why couldn't you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn't the Obama administration close Guantanamo Bay?

    BIDEN: We attempted to close Guantanamo Bay, but you have to have congressional authority to do it. They've kept it open. And the fact is that we, in fact, think it's greatest -- it is an advertisement for creating terror.

    Look, what we have done around the world in terms of keeping Guantanamo open or what Trump has done by no longer being an honest broker in Israel, there's no solution for Israel other than a two-state solution. It does not exist. It's not possible to have a Jewish state in the Middle East without there being a two-state solution.

    And he has played to all the same fears and all the prejudices that exist in this country and in Israel. Bibi Netanyahu and I know one another well. He knows that I think what he's doing is outrageous.

    What we do is, we have to put pressure constantly on the Israelis to move to a two-state solution, not withdraw physical aid from them in terms of their security.

    And lastly, I think that...

    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Vice President Biden.

    BIDEN: ... Senator Warren is correct. We have led by not the example of our power, but the power of our example. And the example we're demonstrating now is horrible. It's hurting us badly.

    ALCINDOR: Thank you, Vice President Biden. Judy?

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    WOODRUFF: I want to turn to another part of the world, and that's China. Mayor Buttigieg, you have said that you think China presents more of a challenge than do your fellow candidates believe. The U.S. clearly wants China's cooperation on human rights, on climate change, on North Korea, on terrorism. And yet Americans are appalled by China's record on human rights, including the detention of over a million Muslim Uighurs. Should the U.S., is my question, do more than protest and issue sanctions? Should the U.S., for example, boycott the 2022 Beijing Olympics?

    BUTTIGIEG: I think that any tool ought to be on the table, especially diplomatic, economic, and social tools, like what you're describing.

    Look, for the president to let it be known that his silence, whether it's on the rounding up of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, putting them into camps, or the aspirations of the people of Hong Kong for democracy, for him to let China know that his silence can be purchased is trashing American values.

    The reality is that there's a lot more to the relationship with China than who's selling more dishwashers. Yes, we need a much smarter trade policy. We also have to acknowledge what's going on over there: the use of technology for the perfection of dictatorship.

    That is going to require a stronger than ever response from the U.S. in defense of democracy. But when folks out there standing up for democracy hear not a peep from the president of the United States, what message is that sending to the Chinese Communist Party?

    The message I will send is that if they perpetrate a repeat of anything like Tiananmen Square, when it comes to Hong Kong, they will be isolated from the free world, and we will lead that isolation diplomatically and economically.

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    WOODRUFF: Mr. Steyer, many Americans have been moved in the last months by the protests of the people of Hong Kong. It is Chinese territory, but what could you, would you do as president if the Chinese government moved in militarily?

    STEYER: Look, there is a temptation, particularly for this president, to try and answer that on a bilateral -- in a bilateral way. The way the United States should be reacting in Hong Kong is by gathering our coalition of democracy- and freedom-loving partners and allies to push back.

    In fact, when we're making moral statements around the world, it should not be us threatening and trying to be the world's policeman. It should be us leading on a value-driven basis with the other people who share our values and want to change the world.

    We actually can't isolate ourselves from China. In fact, we have to work with them as a frenemy. People who disturb us, who we disagree with, but who, in effect, we are linked to in a world that is ever getting closer. And, in fact, if we are going to treat climate as the threat that it is, we are going to have to partner with the Chinese. They are going to have to come along with us. They're going to have to trust us. And together we're going to have to solve this problem.

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    STEYER: So the ability to say what's off the table -- we need a good relationship with them and we're going to have to work with them going forward under all circumstances.

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    Vice President Biden, on China, we now know that China is engaged in an unprecedented military build-up. They have just launched a new aircraft carrier. There are new signs of their disturbing espionage campaign here inside the United States. There are a number of disturbing signs from the Chinese.

    National security scholars have long warned about the historical precedent that when there's a ruling power and a rising power, there's likely to be a war. Is the U.S. on a collision course with China?

    BIDEN: It’s not...

    WOODRUFF: What steps could you take as president?

    BIDEN: It’s on a collision course with China, but not for war. What we have to make clear is that we, in fact, are not going to abide by what they’ve done. A million Uighurs, as you pointed out, Muslims, are in concentration camps. That’s where they are right now. They’re being abused. They’re in concentration camps.

    And what we started in our administration that Trump stopped, we should be moving 60 percent of our sea power to that area of the world to let, in fact, the Chinese understand that they're not going to go any further. We are going to be there to protect other folks.

    Secondly, we, in fact, should make sure that we begin to rebuild our alliances, which Trump has demolished, with Japan and South Korea, Australia and all -- and Indonesia. We, in fact, need to have allies who understand that we're going to stop the Chinese from their actions.

    We should be going to the U.N. immediately and sought sanctions against them in the United Nations for what they did. We have to be firm. We don't have to go to war. But we have to make it clear, this is as far as you go, China.

    And in terms of their military build-up, it's real. But it would take them about 17 years to build up to where we are. We're not looking for a war. But we've got to make clear, we are a Pacific power and we are not going to back away.

    WOODRUFF: Mr. Yang and then Senator Klobuchar.

    (APPLAUSE)

    YANG: I have family in Hong Kong. I spent four months there and seeing what's happening on the streets. It's shocking. They banned face masks in Hong Kong. Why? Because they have AI technology that now is using facial recognition to identify protesters if they so much as do anything on the street so they can follow up with them and detain them later.

    This is the rivalry that we have to win where China is concerned. They're in the process of leapfrogging us in AI because they have more data than we do and their government is subsidizing it to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

    I have sat with our leading technologists and they say they cannot match the Chinese resources. China just produced its first major smartphone that does not have Google apps and it is now trying to export its technology to the rest of the world.

    What we have to do is build an international coalition to set technology standards, and then you can bring the Chinese to the table in a very real way, because this is their top priority, and this is where we need to outcompete them and win.

    WOODRUFF: Senator Klobuchar?

    (APPLAUSE)

    KLOBUCHAR: When it comes to foreign policy, I think we need to keep our promises and keep our threats. And this president has done neither. In a country like China, their leaders, they watch that and they know. He has stood with dictators over innocents. He has stood with tyrants over free leaders. He does it all the time.

    And I have a little different take than some of my colleagues when it comes to what happened at that conference with NATO. Yeah, they were making fun of them, some of the foreign leaders. I've heard senators make more fun of other senators than that.

    The point of it was that he couldn't even tolerate it. He is so thin-skinned that he walked. He quit.

    America doesn't quit. So if we want to send a message to the Chinese, we stand with our allies. We stand with them firmly. We have a very clear and coherent foreign policy when it comes to human rights.

    Check out my website, amyklobuchar.com. I have the five R's of our foreign policy, about reasserting our values, rejoining international agreements, like the Iranian nuclear agreement. But it all comes down to one R: returning to sanity.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: Mayor Buttigieg, and then we're going to take a break.

    BUTTIGIEG: I'm actually not worried about the president's bad sense of humor when it comes to being made fun of. I'm worried about the fact that he is echoing the vocabulary of dictators around the world.

    When the American president refers to unfavorable press coverage as the product of the "enemy of the people," democracy around the world gets weaker. Freedom of the press not just here at home but around the world gets weaker. It's one more reminder of what is at stake, not just here at home, but for world history in the imperative that we win this election.

    KLOBUCHAR: Could I respond?

    BUTTIGIEG: This is our chance.

    WOODRUFF: Very brief. Very brief.

    KLOBUCHAR: OK. I just want to make very clear, Mayor, that the freedom of the press is deep in my heart. My dad was a newspaperman. And I am the one that asked every attorney general candidate we've had under Donald Trump, both of whom I opposed, about their respect for the First Amendment. And they have refused, they have refused to follow the rules that Attorney General Holder put in place when it came to protecting our journalists.

    They would not commit that they wouldn't put a journalist in jail for doing their job. So this is not just talking points to me. This is the real world. And I think that experience that I will bring to the White House, with protecting the First Amendment, is worth more than any talking points.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WOODRUFF: We are going to take a short break, and we will be -- we'll be right back with more questions.

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    WOLF BLITZER: Live from Drake University in Iowa, this is the CNN Democratic presidential debate, in partnership with the Des Moines Register. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer, along with CNN's Abby Phillip and the Des Moines Register's chief politics reporter Brianne Pfannenstiel.

    ABBY PHILLIP: The top six Democratic presidential candidates are in place. This is their final debate before the first votes of the 2020 presidential campaign. The Iowa caucuses are 20 days away.

    BRIANNE PFANNENSTIEL: Before we begin, a reminder of the ground rules. You'll each receive 75 seconds to answer questions, 45 seconds for responses and rebuttals and 15 seconds for clarifications. Please refrain from interrupting your fellow candidates, as that will count against your time.

    BLITZER: All right, so let's begin right now. Just this month, the United States and Iran were on the brink of war, which has reignited the debate over America's role in the world and which of you is best prepared to be commander-in-chief. So let's have the debate right now.

    Sen. Sanders, why are you best prepared ó the best prepared person on this stage to be commander-in-chief?

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Yes, I think my record speaks to that, Wolf. In 2002, when the Congress was debating whether or not we go into a war in Iraq, invade Iraq, I got up on the floor of the House and I said that would be a disaster, it would lead to unprecedented levels of chaos in the region. And I not only voted against the war, I helped lead the effort against that war.

    Just last year, I helped, for the first time in the modern history of this country, pass a War Powers Act resolution, working with a conservative Republican, Mike Lee of Utah, which said that the war in Yemen, led by Saudi Arabia, was unconstitutional because Congress had not authorized it. We got a majority vote in the Senate. We got a majority vote in the House. Unfortunately, Bush vetoed that and that horrific war continues.

    I am able to work with Republicans. I am able to bring people together to try to create a world where we solve conflicts over the negotiating table, not through military efforts.

    BLITZER: Vice President Biden, you talk a lot about your experience, but some of your competitors have taken issue with that experience, questioning your judgment in voting to authorize the Iraq war. Why are you the best prepared person on this stage to be commander-in-chief?

    JOE BIDEN: I said 13 years ago it was a mistake to give the president the authority to go to war if, in fact, he couldn't get inspectors into Iraq to stop what ó thought to be the attempt to get a nuclear weapon. It was a mistake, and I acknowledged that.

    But right ó the man who also argued against that war, Barack Obama, picked me to be his vice president. And once we ó once we were elected president, he turned ó and vice president, he turned to me and asked me to end that war.

    I know what it's like to send a son or daughter, like our colleague has gone to war in Afghanistan, my son for a year in Iraq, and that's why I do it very, very reluctantly. That's why I led the effort, as you know, Wolf, against surging tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. We should not send anyone anywhere unless the overwhelming vital interests of the United States are at stake. They were not at stake there. They were not at stake in Iraq. And it was a mistaken vote.

    But I think my record overall on everything we've done has been ó I'm ó I'm prepared to compare it to anybody on this stage.

    BLITZER: Sen. Sanders, you have been attacking Vice President Biden's vote on the Iraq war, but you recently acknowledged that your vote to authorize the war in Afghanistan was also a mistake. So you both acknowledged mistakes. Why should the American people trust your judgment more?

    SANDERS: Well, it's a little bit of a difference. On that particular vote, every single member of the House, including myself, voted for it. Only Barbara Lee voted against it.

    But what I understood right away, in terms of the war in Iraq, the difference here is that the war in Iraq turned out to be the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern history of this country. As Joe well knows, we lost 4,500 brave troops. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died. We have spent trillions of dollars on that endless war, money which should go into health care and education and infrastructure in this country.

    Joe and I listened to what Dick Cheney and George Bush and Rumsfeld had to say. I thought they were lying. I didn't believe them for a moment. I took to the floor. I did everything I could to prevent that war. Joe saw it differently.

    BLITZER: Vice President Biden?

    BIDEN: I was asked to bring 156,000 troops home from that war, which I did. I led that effort. It was a mistake to trust that they weren't going to go to war. They said they were not going to go to war. They said they were just going to get inspectors in.

    The world, in fact, voted to send inspectors in and they still went to war. From that point on, I was in the position of making the case that it was a big, big mistake. And from that point on, I've voted to ó I moved to bring those troops home.

    BLITZER: Sen. Klobuchar, you've publicly questioned Mayor Buttigieg's experience when it comes to being commander-in-chief. Why is your time as a U.S. senator more valuable than his time as a U.S. naval intelligence officer in Afghanistan and as mayor?

    SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR: Thank you, Wolf. And I have been very clear that I respect the mayor's experience very much in the military. I just have different experience.

    I've been in the U.S. Senate for over 12 years. And I think what you want in a president is someone who has dealt with these life-and-death issues and who has made decisions.

    I will look at my position on the Iraq war first. I wasn't in the Senate for that vote, but I opposed that war from the very beginning. In my first campaign for Senate, I ran against a Republican who ran ads against me on it, but I stood my ground. When I got to the Senate, I pushed to bring our troops home.

    Then I have dealt with every issue, from Afghanistan to keeping our troops with good health care after what we saw with Walter Reed and being part of an effort to improve the situation for our troops in a very big way with our education and with their jobs and also with their health care.

    I think right now what we should be talking about, though, Wolf, is what is happening right now with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is taking us pell-mell toward another war. We have a very important resolution. We just found out today that four Republicans are joining Democrats to go to him and say: You must have an authorization of military force if you're going to go to war with Iran.

    That is so important, because we have a situation where he got us out of the Iranian nuclear agreement, something I worked on for a significant period of time. As president, I will get us back into that agreement. I will take an oath...

    BLITZER: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... to protect and defend our Constitution.

    BLITZER: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: And I will mean it.

    BLITZER: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar. We're going to continue talking about who's best prepared to be commander-in-chief. Mayor Buttigieg?

    PETE BUTTIGIEG: Well, I bring a different perspective. There are enlisted people that I served with barely old enough to remember those votes on the authorization after 9/11, on the war in Iraq. And there are people now old enough to enlist who were not alive for some of those debates.

    The next president is going to be confronted with national security challenges different in scope and in kind from anything we've seen before, not just conventional military challenges, not just stateless terrorism, but cybersecurity challenges, climate security challenges, foreign interference in our elections. It's going to take a view to the future, as well as the readiness, to learn from the lessons of the past. And for me, those lessons of the past are personal.

    BLITZER: Sen. Warren, in our new CNN/Des Moines Register poll, almost a third of your supporters say your ability to lead the military is more of a weakness than a strength of yours. Why are you best prepared to be commander-in-chief?

    SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: I believe the principal job of the commander-in-chief is to keep America safe. And I think that's about judgment. I think it starts with knowing our military. I sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee. I work with our generals, with our military leaders, with our intelligence, but I also visit our troops. I visit our troops around the world.

    I've been to Afghanistan, to Iraq, to Jordan, to South Korea. I've been to lots of places to talk with our troops. And I fight for our troops, to make sure that they get their pay, that they get the housing and medical benefits that they've been promised, that they don't get cheated by giant financial institutions.

    You know, I have three brothers who were in the military, and I know how much our military families sacrifice. But I also know that we have to think about our defense in very different ways. We have to think about cyber. We have to think about climate. We also have to think about how we spend money.

    We have a problem with a revolving door in Washington between the defense industry and the Department of Defense and the Pentagon. That is corruption, pure and simple. We need to block that revolving door, and we need to cut our defense budget. We need to depend on all of our tools ó diplomatic, economic, working with our allies ó and not let the defense industry call the shots.

    BLITZER: Mr. Steyer, you worked in finance for decades and have never held elected office. Why should voters believe you have the experience or judgment to serve as commander-in-chief?

    TOM STEYER: I worked internationally around the world for decades. I traveled, I met with governments, I met with businesses, and I understand how America interacts with other countries.

    And you asked what is the reason that the ó the experience really counts, and to me, I believe that Sen. Warren made a great point. It isn't so much about experience, it's about judgment.

    If you've been listening to this, what we are hearing is 20 years of mistakes by the American government in the Middle East, of failure, of mistakes. So the real question is judgment.

    And if you look who had the judgment, it was a state senator from Illinois with no experience named Barack Obama who opposed the war. It is a congresswoman, Barbara Lee from Oakland, California, who stood up against the original vote, who was the only person in Congress.

    So I would say to you this: An outside perspective, looking at this and actually dealing with the problems as they are is what we're looking for now. I agree with Sen. Warren. We are spending dramatically too much money on defense. The money that we're spending there, we could spend in the other parts of the budget, and it's time for someone from the outside to have a strategic view about what we're trying to do and how to do it.

    BLITZER: Sen. Sanders, in the wake of the Iran crisis, Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei has again called for all U.S. troops to be pulled out of the Middle East, something you've called for, as well. Yet when American troops last left Iraq, ISIS emerged and spread terror across the Middle East and, indeed, around the world. How would you prevent that from happening again?

    SANDERS: O.K., I'm going to tell you, but before I tell you that, let me tell you something else.

    (LAUGHTER)

    And that is ó and I don't know if my colleagues here will agree with me or not. Maybe they will. But what we have to face as a nation is that the two great foreign policy disasters of our lifetimes were the war in Vietnam and the war in Iraq. Both of those wars were based on lies. And right now, what I fear very much is we have a president who is lying again and could drag us into a war that is even worse than the war in Iraq.

    To answer your question, what we need to do is have an international coalition. We cannot keep acting unilaterally. As you know, the nuclear deal with Iran was worked on with a number of our allies. We have got to undo what Trump did, bring that coalition together, and make sure that Iran never gets a nuclear weapon.

    BLITZER: Vice President Biden?

    BIDEN: I was part of that deal to get the nuclear agreement with Iran, bringing together the rest of the world, including some of the folks who aren't friendly to us. And it was working. It was working. It was being held tightly. There was no movement on the part of the Iranian government to get closer to a nuclear weapon.

    And look what's happened. He went ahead ó and it was predictable from the day he pulled out of the agreement, Trump, what exactly would happen. We're now isolated. We're in a situation where our allies in Europe are making a comparison between the United States and Iran, saying both ought to stand down, making a moral equivalence.

    We have lost our standing in the region. We have lost the support of our allies. The next president has to be able to pull those folks back together, re-establish our alliances, and insist that Iran go back into the agreement, which I believe with the pressure applied as we put on before we can get done.

    BLITZER: So just to be clear, Vice President Biden, would you leave troops in the Middle East or would you pull them out?

    BIDEN: I would leave troops in the Middle East in terms of patrolling the Gulf, where we have ó where we are now, small numbers of troops, and I think it's a mistake to pull out the small number of troops that are there now to deal with ISIS.

    What's happened is, now that he's gone ahead, the president, and started this whole process moving, what's happening? ISIS is going to reconstitute itself. We're in a position where we have to pull our forces out. Americans have to leave the entire region. And quite frankly, I think he's flat-out lied about saying the reason he went after ó the reason he made the strike was because our embassies were about to be bombed.

    BLITZER: Sen. Klobuchar, what's your response?

    KLOBUCHAR: I would leave some troops there, but not in the level that Donald Trump is taking us right now. Afghanistan, I have long wanted to bring our troops home. I would do that. Some would remain for counterterrorism and training.

    In Syria, I would not have removed the 150 troops from the border with Turkey. I think that was a mistake. I think it made our allies and many others much more vulnerable to ISIS. And then when it comes to Iraq, right now, I would leave our troops there, despite the mess that has been created by Donald Trump.

    At the briefing we had last week, I was the only person on this stage that asked a question of both the secretary of defense and the secretary of state. And I asked them about imminent threat, but I also asked them what their alternatives were. And they gave very vague, vague answers.

    I asked them, where is the surge of diplomacy that we would be seeing if I was president? And I asked them where they were going to leave the Iraqi people. Time and time again, you see that this president puts his own interests, his private interests, in front of our country's. I would put our country's interests first as commander-in-chief.

    BLITZER: Sen. Warren, leave combat troops, at least some combat troops in the Middle East, or bring them home?

    WARREN: No, I think we need to get our combat troops out. You know, we have to stop this mindset that we can do everything with combat troops. Our military is the finest military on Earth and they will take any sacrifice we ask them to take. But we should stop asking our military to solve problems that cannot be solved militarily.

    Our keeping combat troops there is not helping. We need to work with our allies. We need to use our economic tools. We need to use our diplomatic tools.

    Now, look, I understand, there are people on this stage, when it comes to Afghanistan, for example, who talk about 5 more years, 10 more years. Shoot, Lindsey Graham talks about leaving troops there for a hundred more years. No one has a solution and an endpoint. We need to get our combat troops out. They are not helping create more safety for the United States or the region.

    BLITZER: Vice President Biden, is Sen. Warren right?

    BIDEN: Well, I tell you what, there's a difference between combat troops and leaving special forces in a position. I was part of the coalition to put together 68 countries to deal with stateless terror as well as failed states. Not us alone, 68 other countries.

    That's how we were able to defeat and end the caliphate for ISIS. They'll come back if we do not deal with them and we do not have someone who can bring together the rest of the world to go with us, with small numbers of special forces we have, to organize the effort to take them down.

    BLITZER: Mayor Buttigieg, you served in Afghanistan. Who's right?

    BUTTIGIEG: We can continue to remain engaged without having an endless commitment of ground troops. But what's going on right now is the president's actually sending more. The very president who said he was going to end endless war, who pretended to have been against the war in Iraq all along ó although we know that's not true ó now has more troops going to the Middle East.

    And whenever I see that happen, I think about the day we shipped out and the time that was set aside for saying goodbye to family members. I remember walking with a friend of mine, another lieutenant I trained with, as we walked away, and his one-and-a-half-year-old boy was toddling after him, not understanding why his father wasn't turning back to scoop him up. And it took all the strength he had not to turn around and look at his boy one more time.

    That is happening by the thousands right now, as we see so many more troops sent into harm's way. And my perspective is to ensure that that will never happen when there is an alternative as commander-in-chief.

    BLITZER: Sen. Sanders?

    SANDERS: Wolf, in America today, our infrastructure is crumbling. Half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck. Eighty-seven million people have no health care or are uninsured or underinsured. We got 500,000 people sleeping out on the streets tonight.

    The American people are sick and tired of endless wars which have cost us trillions of dollars. Our job is to rebuild the United Nations, rebuild the State Department, make sure that we have the capability of bringing the world together to resolve international conflict diplomatically and stop the endless wars that we have experienced.

    BLITZER: We're going to get to everyone, but, Vice President Biden, you criticized President Trump's decision to kill the Iranian general, Soleimani, without first going to Congress. Are there any circumstances, other than a direct attack on the United States, where you would take military action without congressional approval?

    BIDEN: I ran the first time as a 29-year-old kid against the war in Vietnam on the grounds that the only way to take a nation to war is with the informed consent of the American people. The informed consent of the American people.

    And with regard to this idea that we can walk away and not have any troops anywhere, including special forces, we ó there's no way you negotiate or have been able to negotiate with terrorists. You have to be able to form coalitions to be able to defeat them or contain them. If you don't, we end up being the world's policeman again.

    They're going to come to us. They've come to us before. They'll come to us again. So it's a fundamental difference than negotiating with other countries. It's fundamentally the requirement that we use our special forces in small numbers to coordinate with other countries to bring together coalitions.

    BLITZER: Mr. Vice President, just to be clear, the Obama-Biden administration did not ask Congress for permission multiple times when it took military action. So would the Biden doctrine be different?

    BIDEN: No, there was the authorization for the use of military force that was passed by the United States Congress, House, and Senate, and signed by the president. That was the authority. It does not give authority to go into Iran. It gave authority to deal with these other issues.

    BLITZER: Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: That authorization needs to be replaced.

    BIDEN: Exactly. And we tried to.

    BUTTIGIEG: When we lost troops in Niger, there were members of Congress who admitted they didn't even know we had troops there. And it was all pursuant to an authorization that was passed to deal with Al Qaida and 9/11. And often, Congress has been all too happy to leave aside its role. Now, thanks to Democrats in Congress, that's changing. But the reality is, year after year, Congress didn't want to touch this, either, because it was so politically difficult.

    Fundamental truth is, if our troops can summon the courage to go overseas into harm's way, often on deployment after deployment, then we've got to make sure that Congress has the courage to take tough up-or-down votes on whether they ought to be there. And when I am president, anytime ó which I hope will never happen ó but anytime I am compelled to use force and seek that authorization, we will have a three-year sunset, so that the American people are included ...

    BLITZER: Thank you.

    BUTTIGIEG: ... not only in the decision about whether to send troops, but whether to continue.

    BLITZER: Thank you. Sen. Warren ó we're going to get to everyone ó but, Sen. Warren, what about you? Are there any circumstances, other than a direct attack on the United States, where you would take military action without congressional approval?

    WARREN: Well, imminent threat. But we need an authorization for the use of military force before we take this nation into combat. That is what the Constitution provides and that is what as commander-in-chief I will do.

    But I just want to be clear. Everyone on this stage talks about nobody wants endless war. But the question is, when and how do you plan to get out of it?

    You know, on the Senate Armed Services Committee, we have one general after another in Afghanistan who comes in and says, you know, we've just turned the corner and now it's all going to be different. And then what happens? It's all the same for another year. Someone new comes in and we've just turned the corner.

    We've turned the corner so many times, we're going in circles in these regions. This has got to stop. It's not enough to say some day we're going to get out. No one on the ground, none of our military can describe what the conditions are for getting out. It's time to get our combat troops home.

    BLITZER: Mr. Steyer, would a President Steyer use military force as a deterrent? And if not, under what circumstances would you take military action?

    STEYER: I would take military action to protect the lives and safety of American citizens. But what we can see in the Middle East and what this conversation shows is that there is no real strategy that we're trying to accomplish in what we're doing in the Middle East.

    Obviously, Mr. Trump has no strategy. He is going from crisis to crisis, from escalation to escalation. But if you look further over the last 20 years, including in the war in Afghanistan, we know from the Washington Post that, in fact, there was no strategy. There was just a series of tactical decisions that made no sense.

    So we really have to ask ourselves in the Middle East, what are we trying to accomplish? I agree with Vice President Biden. To do it, we should definitely be doing it in coalition with other countries. And I want to point out that, as we do that, we're confronted by this issue which everyone is talking about.

    But at the same time, there's a gigantic climate issue in Australia, which also requires the same kind of value-driven coalition-building that we actually should be using in the Middle East. We need to ask ourselves, how are we going to provide a world that is safer for Americans, where we can prosper more? And every single thing we should do should follow into that strategy. And it's just not happening in Washington, D.C.

    PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg, another critical issue you'd face as president is the threat of nuclear weapons. Last week, President Trump said, quote, "As long as I am president of the United States, Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon." Would a President Buttigieg make that same promise?

    BUTTIGIEG: Ensuring that Iran does not develop nuclear weapons will, of course, be a priority, because it's such an important part of keeping America safe. But unfortunately, President Trump has made it much harder for the next president to achieve that goal.

    By gutting the Iran nuclear deal ó one that, by the way, the Trump administration itself admitted was working, certified that it was preventing progress toward a nuclear Iran ó by gutting that, they have made the region more dangerous and set off the chain of events that we are now dealing with as it escalates even closer to the brink of outright war.

    Now ó yes?

    PHILLIP: Continue.

    BUTTIGIEG: In order to get that done, we've got to work with our partners. The Iran nuclear deal, the technical term for it was the JCPOA. That first letter "J" stood for "Joint." We can't do this alone, even less so now after everything that has happened.

    Which is why it will be so critically important to engage leaders, including a lot of new leaders emerging around the world, and ensure that we have the alliances we need to meet what I believe is not just an American goal, but a widely shared goal around the world to ensure that Iran does not become a nuclear-armed country.

    PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg, to be clear, would you allow Iran to become a nuclear power, yes or no?

    BUTTIGIEG: No. Our security depends on ensuring that Iran does not become nuclear. And by the way, we've got a lot of other challenges with nuclear proliferation around the world.

    Despite this president's coziness with Vladimir Putin, we actually seem to be further away from being able to work with Russia on things like the renewal of START. We've got to move toward less, not more nuclear danger, whether it is from states, from stateless potential terrorist actors, or anywhere else around the world.

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg.

    Sen. Klobuchar, if you become president, it's very possible there won't be an Iran nuclear deal for the United States to rejoin. Given that, how would you prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon?

    KLOBUCHAR: I would start negotiations again. And I won't take that as a given, given that our European partners are still trying to hold the agreement together. My issue is that, because of the actions of Donald Trump, we are in a situation where they are now starting ó Iran is starting to enrich uranium again in violation of the original agreement.

    So what I would do is negotiate. I would bring people together, just as President Obama did years ago, and I think that we can get this done. But you have to have a president that sees this as a number-one goal.

    And in answer to the original question you asked the mayor, I would not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And then you have to get an agreement in place. I think there are changes you can make to the agreement that are sunset, some changes to the inspections, but overall, that is what we should do.

    And I am the one person on this debate stage, on the first night of the very first debate, when we were asked what we saw as the biggest threat to our world, I said China on the economy, but I said Iran, because of Donald Trump. Because I feared that exactly what happened would happen: enrichment of uranium, escalation of tensions, leaving frayed relations with our allies. We can bring them back, understanding this is a terrorist regime that we cannot allow to have a nuclear weapon.

    PHILLIP: Vice President Biden, I want to ask you about North Korea. President Trump has met with Kim Jong-un three times. President Obama once said he would meet with North Korea without any preconditions. Would you meet with North Korea without any preconditions?

    BIDEN: No, not now. I wouldn't meet with them without any preconditions. Look, what ó we gave him everything he's looking for, legitimacy. The president showed up, met with him, gave him legitimacy, weakened the sanctions we have against him.

    I would be putting what I did as vice president ó I met with Xi Jinping more than anyone else. I would be putting pressure on China to put pressure on Korea, to cease and desist from their nuclear power, make ó their efforts to deal with nuclear weapons. I would move forward as we did before ó and you reported it extensively, Wolf ó about moving forward the whole notion of defense against nuclear weapons, that we would ó and when China said to me, when Xi Jinping said to me, that's a threat to us, I said, we're going to move and protect our interests unless you get involved and protect it.

    I would reignite the relationship between Japan and South Korea, and I would put enormous pressure, enormous pressure on China, because that's also in their interests for them to put pressure on North Korea to cease and desist.

    But I would not, I would not meet with ó absent preconditions, I would not meet with the, quote, "Supreme Leader," who said Joe Biden is a rabid dog, he should be beaten to death with a stick. I count that ...

    SANDERS: Other than that, you like him?

    BIDEN: Other than that, I like him, and he ó he ...

    (LAUGHTER)

    And he got a love letter from Trump right after that.

    PHILLIP: Mr. Steyer, would you meet with North Korea without any preconditions?

    STEYER: No. It's very clear that if we're going to do something with North Korea, we're going to have to do it in concert with our allies, that meeting with him without preconditions is not going anywhere, that the staff can meet to try and see how far we can get.

    But this is a classic situation where the United States' idea of going it alone makes no sense. And when you are talking about Iran, let's face it. Iran is under great pressure economically. So every single discussion we've had about Iran has had to do with military power and America versus Iran, whereas, in fact, what worked with President Obama was an alliance of our allies and us putting economic pressure on them for them to give up their military tactic. That, to me, is called strategy. Having a goal to make America safer, by looking more broadly...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you.

    STEYER: ... than just us, as the policeman of the world spending money.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Let's stay with the theme of America's role in the world and talk about trade. Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign phase one of a trade agreement with China. And the Senate will likely soon approve a new trade deal with Mexico and Canada, Iowa's largest trading partners.

    Sen. Sanders, you have said that new deal, the USMCA, quote, "makes some modest improvements," yet you are going to vote against it. Aren't modest improvements better than no improvements...

    SANDERS: No, we can do much ...

    PFANNENSTIEL: ... for the farmers and manufacturers who have been devastated here in Iowa?

    SANDERS: The answer is we could do much better than a Trump-led trade deal. This deal ó and I think the proponents of it acknowledge ó will result in the continuation of the loss of hundreds of thousands of good-paying jobs as a result of outsourcing.

    The heart and soul of our disastrous trade agreements ó and I'm the guy who voted against NAFTA and against permanent normal trade relations with China ó is that we have forced American workers to compete against people in Mexico, in China, elsewhere, who earn starvation wages, $1 or $2 an hour.

    Second of all, every major environmental organization has said no to this new trade agreement because it does not even have the phrase "climate change" in it. And given the fact that climate change is right now the greatest threat facing this planet, I will not vote for a trade agreement that does not incorporate very, very strong principles to significantly lower fossil fuel emissions in the world.

    PFANNENSTIEL: But, Sen. Sanders, to be clear, the AFL-CIO supports this deal. Are you unwilling to compromise?

    SANDERS: The AFL-CIO does. The Machinists Union does not. And every environmental organization in this country, including the Sunrise Organization, who are supporting my candidacy, opposes it.

    So I happen to believe ó and I hope we will talk about climate change in a moment ó if we do not get our act together in terms of climate change, the planet that we're going to be leaving our kids and our children ó and our grandchildren will be increasingly unlivable and uninhabitable.

    PFANNENSTIEL: We're going to get to climate change, but I'd like to stay on trade. Sen. Warren ...

    SANDERS: Well, they are the same in this issue.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Warren, you support the USMCA. Why is Sen. Sanders wrong?

    WARREN: I do. I wasn't here. I haven't been in Congress long enough to have voted against NAFTA, but I led the fight against the trade deal with Asia and the trade deal with Europe, because I didn't think it was in the interests of the American people, the American workers, or environmental interests.

    But we have farmers here in Iowa who are hurting. And they are hurting because of Donald Trump's initiated trade wars. We have workers who are hurting because the agreements that have already been cut really don't have enforcement on workers' rights.

    This new trade deal is a modest improvement. Sen. Sanders himself has said so. It will give some relief to our farmers. It will give some relief to our workers. I believe we accept that relief, we try to help the people who need help, and we get up the next day and fight for a better trade deal.

    We need a coherent trade policy. We need a policy that actually helps our workers, our farmers. We need them at the table, not just to trade policy written for big, international companies. I'm ready to have that fight, but let's help the people who need help right now.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you. Sen. Sanders, can you please respond to Sen. Warren?

    SANDERS: Well, I think that it is not so easy to put together new trade legislation. If this is passed, I think it will set us back a number of years.

    Sen. Warren is right in saying we need to bring the stakeholders to the table, that ó it is the family farmers here in Iowa and in Vermont and around the country. That is the environmental community. That is the workers. Bottom line here is, I am sick and tired of trade agreements negotiated by the CEOs of large corporations behind doors.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Klobuchar, I'd like to bring you in here.

    KLOBUCHAR: Brianne, I want to hit reality here. I serve on the Agriculture Committee, and I will never forget going to Crawfordsville here in Iowa ó and thank you for bringing up Iowa, Brianne, since that is where we are ó and I went to this plant and there was one worker left in that plant. That plant had been shut down because of Donald Trump's trade policies and because of what he had done to those workers with giving secret waivers to oil companies and ruining the renewable fuel standard. That worker brought out a coat rack of uniforms and he said, these are my friends, they don't work anymore. And their names were embroidered on those uniforms, Derek, Mark, Salvador. And that guy started to cry.

    These are real people hurt by Donald Trump's trade war. So what we should do, and I support the USMCA, I am glad that these improvements were made that are supported by people like Richard Trumka and Sherrod Brown on labor and environment and on pharma, the sweetheart deal...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... because I think we need a big trading block...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... with North America to take on China. And the way you are stronger...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Klobuchar, your time is up.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... China is with our allies.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mayor Buttigieg, do you support the USMCA, yes or no?

    BUTTIGIEG: Yes, it has been improved, it is not perfect. But when you sit down with the people who are most impacted, they share just how much harm has been done to them by things like the trade war and just how much we can benefit, American consumers and workers and farmers, by making sure we have the right kind of labor and enforceability, as Democrats ensured we got in this USMCA.

    But let's acknowledge why there is such fear and frustration. You know, my part of the country, in the industrial Midwest, I remember when they came around in the '90s, selling trade deals, telling us, don't worry about your slice of the pie, the pie will get so much bigger that everyone will be better off. And that promise was broken.

    The part about the pie getting bigger happened. It's just that the part about it getting to most people where I live did not. That is why there is such frustration, the sense that these decisions in boardrooms...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you.

    BUTTIGIEG: ... and in committee rooms in Washington are being made not based on what's best for us...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg.

    BUTTIGIEG: ... but based on their own gain.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Vice President Biden, Sen. Sanders has said that Donald Trump will, quote, ďeat your lunchĒ for voting yes on what he calls terrible trade agreements. When it comes to trade, why are you the best candidate to take on President Trump?

    BIDEN: There will be no trade agreements signed in my administration without environmentalists and labor at the table. And there will be no trade agreement until we invest more in American workers. We should be putting our money and our effort and our time in preparing American workers to compete in the 21st Century on the high-tech side, dealing with all artificial intelligence. We should be focusing on equipping American workers to do that.

    And by the way, the idea ó I don't know that there's any trade agreement that the senator would ever think made any sense, but the problem is that 95 percent of the customers are out there. So we better figure out how we begin to write the rules of the road, not China.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Sanders?

    SANDERS: Joe and I have a fundamental disagreement here, in case you haven't noticed. And that is NAFTA, PNTR with China, other trade agreements were written for one reason alone. And that is to increase the profits of large multi-national corporations. And the end result of those two, just PNTR with China, Joe, and NAFTA, cost us some 4 million jobs, as part of the race to the bottom.

    I am sick and tired and will not tolerate, and we will use the power of the federal contracting system. If a corporation in America wants to shut down in Iowa or Vermont or any place else, and then they think they're going to get on line for our generous federal contract, they've got another thing going.

    We need some corporate responsibility here and we need to protect good-paying jobs in America, not see them go to China, Mexico, Vietnam, and all these other countries.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mr. Vice president, what's your response?

    BIDEN: We need corporate responsibility and I agree with that completely. But we also need to have enforcement mechanisms in the agreements we make. Enforceable agreements. That's one of the things that has been improved with the trade agreement with Mexico. And that's what we should be doing in any agreement we have.

    But let's get back to the basics here. If we don't set the rules of the road by going out to our partners, instead of poking our eye ó excuse me, poking our finger in the eye of all of our friends and allies, we make up 25 percent of the world's economy. We've got to bring the other 25 percent of our allies along with us to set the rules of the road so China cannot continue to abuse their power by stealing our intellectual property and doing all the other things, using their corporate state system to our significant disadvantage.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Warren?

    WARREN: You know, our problem is not just that we need corporate responsibility. It has been the structure of how these trade deals have been negotiated. The United States has had this strategy for decades. And that strategy has been to have government trade negotiators, a small number, and then surround them with giant multi-national corporation lobbyists and corporate executives, who whisper in the ears of our negotiators and then get deals cut that are great for the giant multi-national corporations, not good for America, not good for American workers, not good for the environment.

    We need a different approach to trade and it starts by calling out the corruption of these giant corporations that have cut our trade deals. Everybody wants to get to the American market. And we need to put some standards in place. You want to be able to sell your goods here, then you've got to meet some environmental standards. You've got to meet labor standards.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Warren.

    WARREN: We need a...

    (CROSSTALK)

    WARREN: ... approach.

    PFANNENSTIEL: I would like to bring in Mr. Steyer here.

    Mr. Steyer, even though farmers and manufacturers here in Iowa and around the country could see some relief from the China deal, they've been crushed by the current administration's trade war. What will you do as president to help them get back on their feet?

    STEYER: Look, on the first day, I would undo Mr. Trump's tariffs. On the first day, I would get rid of his waivers that Sen. Klobuchar was referring to, to oil refiners, so that not having to use corn-based ethanol.

    In fact, these trade deals have been exactly what Sen. Sanders and Warren have been saying, which is that they've been designed to grow the American GDP for the corporations of America, not for the working people of America, and not to protect the climate.

    So let me say this. I'm the only person on this stage who says climate is my number one priority. I would not sign this deal, because if climate is your number one priority, you can't sign a deal, even if it's marginally better for working people until climate is also taken into consideration.

    Look, I've got four kids between the ages of 26 and 31. I cannot allow this country to go down the path of climate destruction. Everybody in their generation knows it. Frankly, Mayor Buttigieg, you're their generation. I think you would be standing up more ó look, that's why I'm standing up for it.

    We cannot put climate on the backseat all the time and say we're going to sign this one more deal, we're going to do one more thing without putting climate first. That's why it's my number one priority. We can do it in a way that makes us richer, but we have to do it.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mayor Buttigieg, your response?

    BUTTIGIEG: Well, that's right. This issue is personal for me. It's why we're going to tackle climate from day one. It's why we've got to make sure that we have better answers than we do today. Now, what I've noticed is, pretty much all of us propose that we move on from fossil fuels by the middle of the century, starting with actions that we take right now.

    The question is, how are we going to make sure any of this actually gets done? Because people have been saying the right things in these debates for literally decades. The other day in Winterset, there was a kid at one of my events, raised his hand and he pointed out that he expects to be here in his 90s in the year 2100.

    He will sit in judgment over what we do, not just what we on this stage do, anyone old enough to vote right now, whether we actually put together the national project it will require to meet our climate goals, to act aggressively, not just re-joining the Paris Climate Accord, that's table stakes, but to actually move on from the fossil-dependent economy we live in today.

    (CROSSTALK)

    PHILLIP: Let's now turn to ó let's now turn to an issue that's come up in the last 48 hours. Sen. Sanders, CNN reported yesterday that ó and Sen. Sanders, Sen. Warren confirmed in a statement, that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that?

    SANDERS: Well, as a matter of fact, I didn't say it. And I don't want to waste a whole lot of time on this, because this is what Donald Trump and maybe some of the media want. Anybody knows me knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.

    Go to YouTube today. There's a video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States. In 2015, I deferred, in fact, to Sen. Warren. There was a movement to draft Sen. Warren to run for president. And you know what, I said ó stayed back. Sen. Warren decided not to run, and I then ó I did run afterwards.

    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States? And let me be very clear. If any of the women on this stage or any of the men on this stage win the nomination, I hope that's not the case, I hope it's me.

    (LAUGHTER)

    But if they do, I will do everything in my power to make sure that they are elected in order to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of our country.

    (APPLAUSE)

    PHILLIP: So Sen. Sanders ó Sen. Sanders, I do want to be clear here, you're saying that you never told Sen. Warren that a woman could not win the election?

    SANDERS: That is correct.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Warren, what did you think when Sen. Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?

    (LAUGHTER)

    WARREN: I disagreed. Bernie is my friend, and I am not here to try to fight with Bernie. But, look, this question about whether or not a woman can be president has been raised, and it's time for us to attack it head-on.

    And I think the best way to talk about who can win is by looking at people's winning record. So, can a woman beat Donald Trump?

    Look at the men on this stage. Collectively, they have lost 10 elections.

    (LAUGHTER)

    The only people on this stage who have won every single election that they've been in are the women...

    (APPLAUSE)

    ... Amy and me.

    KLOBUCHAR: So true.

    (APPLAUSE)

    So true.

    (APPLAUSE)

    WARREN: And the only person on this stage who has beaten an incumbent Republican any time in the past 30 years is me.

    And here's what I know. The real danger that we face as Democrats is picking a candidate who can't pull our party together or someone who takes for granted big parts of the Democratic constituency.

    We need a candidate who will excite all parts of the Democratic Party, bring everyone in and give everyone a Democrat to believe in. That's my plan and that is why I'm going to win.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar...

    (APPLAUSE)

    KLOBUCHAR: Thank you.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar, what do you say to people who don't...

    KLOBUCHAR: Thank you, Elizabeth.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar, what do you say...

    KLOBUCHAR: I would like to point out...

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar, let me finish my question.

    KLOBUCHAR: Oh, OK.

    (LAUGHTER)

    PHILLIP: What do you say to people who...

    KLOBUCHAR: I thought it was such an open-end ó I wasn't at the meeting, so I can't comment, but I was going to say...

    (LAUGHTER)

    PHILLIP: What do you say to people who say that a woman can't win this election?

    KLOBUCHAR: I hear that. People have said it. That's why I've addressed it from this stage. I point out that you don't have to be the tallest person in the room. James Madison was 5'4". You don't have to be the skinniest person in the room. You don't have to be the loudest person. You have to be competent.

    And when you look at the facts, Michigan has a woman governor right now and she beat a Republican, Gretchen Whitmer. Kansas has a woman governor right now and she beat Kris Kobach. And her name is ó I'm very proud to know her, and her name is Governor Kelly. Thank you.

    Third, I would add to this, you have to be competent to win and you have to know what you're doing. And when you look at what I have done, I have won every race, every place, every time. I have won in the reddest of districts. I have won in the suburban areas, in the rural areas. I have brought people with me.

    That is why I have the most endorsements of current Iowa legislators and former Iowa legislators in this race.

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: Because they know I bring people with me.

    And finally, every single person...

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... that I have beaten, my Republican opponents, have gotten out of politics for good.

    (LAUGHTER)

    And I think ó I think that sounds pretty good. I think that sounds pretty good with the guy we have in the White House right now.

    (LAUGHTER)

    PHILLIP: Sen. Sanders, you can respond.

    SANDERS: Well, just to set the record straight, I defeated an incumbent Republican running for Congress.

    WARREN: When?

    SANDERS: Nineteen-ninety.

    That's how I won, beat a republican congressman.

    (LAUGHTER)

    Number two...

    WARREN: Thirty years ago.

    SANDERS: ... of course, I don't think there's any debate up here...

    WARREN: Wasn't it 30 years ago?

    SANDERS: I beat an incumbent Republican congressman.

    WARREN: And I said I was the only one who's beaten an incumbent Republican in 30 years.

    (LAUGHTER)

    SANDERS: Well, 30 years ago is 1990, as a matter of fact.

    (LAUGHTER)

    But I don't know that that's the major issue of the day. I think what the major issue of the day is ó let's ó does anybody in their right mind think that a woman cannot be elected president?

    That's ó nobody believes that. Of ó Hillary Clinton got 3 million votes, more votes than Trump. So who believes that a woman can't win? Of course, a woman can win.

    But the real question is, how do we beat Trump?

    And the only way we beat Trump is by a campaign of energy and excitement and a campaign that has, by far, the largest voter turnout in the history of this country. And I believe that our campaign has the strongest grassroots movement...

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    SANDERS: We have been endorsed by many grassroots organizations...

    PHILLIP: Sen. Warren ó

    SANDERS: That's why...

    (CROSSTALK)

    PHILLIP: Sen. Warren, I want to give you the final word.

    WARREN: So I do think it's the right question, "How do we beat Trump?"

    And here's the thing. Since Donald Trump was elected, women candidates have out-performed men candidates in competitive races. And in 2018, we took back the House; we took back statehouses, because of women candidates and women voters.

    Look, don't deny that the question is there. Back in the 1960s, people asked, "Could a Catholic win?"

    Back in 2008, people asked if an African-American could win.

    In both times the Democratic Party stepped up and said yes, got behind their candidate and we changed America. That's who we are.

    (APPLAUSE)

    PHILLIP: Vice President Biden?

    Vice President Biden, go ahead.

    BIDEN: I agree women can win. And I have went in and campaigned for 27 of them this last ó in 2018, the best group I've ever campaigned for, in terms of competence

    But the real issue is who can bring the whole party together, represents all elements of the party, African-American, brown, black, women, men, gay, straight. The fact of the matter is that ó I would argue that, in terms of endorsements around the country, endorsements wherever we go, I am the one who has the broadest coalition of anyone running up here in this race.

    PHILLIP: All right. We're going to take a short break now. The CNN Democratic presidential debate, live from Drake University, will be back right after this.

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    BLITZER: Welcome back to the CNN Democratic presidential debate, live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa.

    (APPLAUSE)

    PHILLIP: Let's turn to health care, the top issue for Iowa Democrats.

    Donald Trump is trying to repeal Obamacare, including the protections for pre-existing conditions. We all know that each of you vigorously opposes that. Still, there are some questions about what each of you would do.

    Sen. Sanders, you have consistently refused to say exactly how much your Medicare For All plan is going to cost. Don't voters deserve to see the price tag before you send them a bill that could cost tens of trillions of dollars?

    SANDERS: Well, what I will tell you is Medicare For All, which will guarantee comprehensive health care to every man, woman and child, will cost substantially less than the status quo.

    Medicare For All will end the absurdity of the United States paying by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs and health care in general, while we have 87 million uninsured ó uninsured and underinsured, and while 30,000 people die each year.

    Under Medicare For All, one of the provisions we have to pay for it is a 4 percent tax on income, exempting the first $29,000. So the average family in America that today makes $60,000 would pay $1,200 a year, compared to that family paying $12,000 a year.

    We save money, comprehensive health care, because we take on the greed and the profiteering and the administrative nightmare that currently exists in our dysfunctional system.

    PHILLIP: Vice President Biden, does Sen. Sanders owe voters a price tag on his health care plan?

    BIDEN: I think we need to be candid with voters. I think we have to tell them what we're going to do and what it's going to cost. And a 4 percent tax on income over $24,000 doesn't even come close to paying for between $30 trillion, and some estimates as high as $40 trillion over 10 years.

    That's doubling the entire federal budget per year. There's a way to do that. The way to do that is to take Obamacare, reinstate ó rebuild it, provide a public option, allow Medicare for those folks who want it, and in fact make sure that we, in the process, reduce the cost of ó of drug prices, reduce the cost of being able to buy into the ó subsidize it further, and make it everybody ó available to everyone.

    Here's the deal. That costs a lot of money. That costs $740 billion over 10 years. I lay out how I'd pay for that.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Sanders?

    SANDERS: Well, first of all, what Joe forgets to say is, when you leave the current system as it is, what you are talking about are workers paying on average 20 percent of their incomes for health care. That is insane.

    You've got 500,000 people going bankrupt because they cannot pay their medical bills. We're spending twice as much per capita on health care as do the people of any other country.

    Look, we have talked about health care for all ó in this country ó for over 100 years. Now is the time to take on the greed and corruption of the health care industry, of the drug companies, and finally provide health care to all through a Medicare For All single-payer program.

    It won't be easy, but that is what we have to do.

    (APPLAUSE)

    BIDEN: You can do it without that. You can do it without Medicare For All. You can get the same place.

    SANDERS: No, you can't.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar, your response?

    KLOBUCHAR: Yeah. Sen. Sanders and I have worked together on pharmaceuticals for a long, long time. And we agree on this. But what I don't agree with is that we ó his position on health care.

    This debate isn't real. I was in Vegas the other day and someone said "Don't put your chips on a number on the wheel that isn't even on the wheel."

    That's the problem. Over two-thirds of the Democrats in the U.S. Senate are not on the bill that you and Sen. Warren on on. You have numerous governors that are Democratic that don't support this. You have numerous House members that put Nancy Pelosi in as speaker.

    The answer is a non-profit public option. The answer is ó the real debate we should be having is how do we make it easier for people to get coverage for addiction and mental health. I have a plan for that.

    And then, finally, what should we do about long-term care? The elephant that doesn't even fit in this room. We need to make it easier for people to get long-term care insurance. We need to make it easier for them to pay for their premiums.

    My own dad, I know when his long-term care insurance ends, and then we have some savings for him. He's in assisted living. He got married three times ó whole other story ó so there isn't much there.

    (LAUGHTER)

    But then we go to Medicaid, and I've already talked to Catholic Elder Care.

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: They're willing to take him in. Our story is better than so many other families. We have to make it easier for long-term care.

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: It's not just for seniors. It's also for the sandwich generation.

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: People trying to help their parents.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Warren?

    WARREN: So we need to start with what's happening in America. People are suffering. I'll just pick one: 36 million people last year went to the doctor, got a prescription, this is what they needed to get well, and they couldn't afford to have the prescription filled. They looked at it and said it's either groceries or this prescription.

    My approach to this is we've got to get as much as help to as many people as quickly as possible. I have worked out a plan where we can do that without raising taxes on middle-class families by one thin dime.

    What I can do are the things I can do as president on the first day. We can cut the cost of prescription drugs. I'll use the power that's already given to the president to reduce the cost of insulin and EpiPens and HIV-AIDS drugs. Let's get some relief to those families. And I will defend the Affordable Care Act.

    I've got a plan to expand health care, but let's keep in mind, when we come to a general election, we Democrats may argue among each other about the best way to do health care, but we're going to be up against a Republican incumbent who has cut health care for millions of people and is still trying to do that. I'll take our side of the argument any day. We're going to beat him on this.

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Sen. Warren. Vice President Biden?

    (APPLAUSE)

    BIDEN: The proposal I lay out does, in fact, limit drug cost. It sets up ó it allows all the drug companies ó excuse me, it allows you to ó Medicare to negotiate with drug companies for the price. It sets a system whereby you cannot raise the price of a drug beyond the cost of medical inflation. And by the way, there's mental health parity that I call for in the Obamacare expanded with the Biden option.

    PHILLIP: Mr. Steyer?

    STEYER: Look, we've had this conversation on this stage so many times. Everybody on this stage believes that affordable health care is a right for every single American. Everybody on this stage knows that Americans are paying twice as much for health care as any other advanced country in the world. And it makes no sense and the government has to step in.

    I do happen to agree with Vice President Biden that we should move and develop the Affordable Care Act with a public option. But the real question is this. This is not a new problem. Why do we keep having this conversation? We have a broken government. It has been bought by corporations that include the drug companies, the insurance companies, and the private hospitals.

    That's what I'm talking about. How do we get back government of, by, and for the people? How do we actually break...

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    STEYER: ... the corporate stranglehold on our government so that we can get any of these things passed?

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    Sen. Sanders, your campaign proposals would double federal spending over the next decade, an unprecedented level of spending not seen since World War II. How would you keep your plans from bankrupting the country?

    SANDERS: No, our plan wouldn't bankrupt the country. And, in fact, it would much improve the well-being of working-class families and the middle class.

    Let us be clear what Medicare for all does. It ends all premiums. It ends all copayments. It ends the absurdity of deductibles. It ends out-of-pocket expenses. It takes on the pharmaceutical industry, which in some cases charges us 10 times more for the same prescription drugs sold abroad as sold here.

    What we will do through a Medicare for all single-payer program is substantially lower the cost of health care for employers and workers, because we end the $100 billion a year that the health care industry makes and the $500 billion a year we spend in administrative ó the administrative nightmare of dealing with thousands of separate insurance plans.

    Health care is a human right. Every other major country on Earth is guaranteeing health care for all. The time is long overdue for us to do the same.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar?

    KLOBUCHAR: Again, I think it is much better to build on the Affordable Care Act. And if you want to be practical and progressive at the same time and have a plan and not a pipedream, you have to show how you're going to pay for it.

    And I would also note practically that the Affordable Care Act right now is 10 points more popular than the president of the United States. So I think the answer is to build on it.

    And, yes, I think you should show how you're going to pay for things, Bernie. I do. This president is treating people out there like poker chips in one of his bankrupt casinos the way he is adding to our debt.

    I am the one person up here who has on her website in her plan a plan to actually start taking on the deficit, by taking part of that money from that corporate tax cut that they put in there and putting it in a fund to pay back the deficit.

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: And I have shown how I'm going to pay for every single plan...

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... capital gains tax going to the personal level, getting rid of oil giveaways.

    PHILLIP: Let's move on.

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    KLOBUCHAR: Doing something about the hedge fund loophole. You can go through...

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar, your time is up. Let's move on to the next question.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... and we can get the money to pay for things.

    PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg, you're selling your plan as Medicare for all who want it, yet your plan would automatically enroll uninsured Americans into a public option, even if they don't want it, and force them to pay for it. How is that truth in advertising?

    BUTTIGIEG: Well, it's making sure that there is no such thing as an uninsured American. Look, the individual mandate was an important part of the ACA because the system doesn't work if there are free riders.

    What I'm offering is a choice. You don't have to be in my plan if there's another plan that you would rather keep. And there's no need to kick Americans off the plans that they want in order to deliver health care for all.

    And my plan is paid for. Look, our party should no longer hesitate to talk about the issue of the debt and the deficit. Now, we've got a dramatically better track record on it than Republicans do. In my lifetime, it's almost invariably Republican presidents who have added to the deficit, a trillion dollars under this president. And it's why everything I've put forward ó from Medicare for all who want it to the historic investments we're going to make in infrastructure to dealing with climate change ó is fully paid for.

    When it comes to health care, you can do it in two moves. Of course, my plan costs $1.5 trillion over a decade. No small sum. But not the $20 trillion, $30 trillion, $40 trillion that we're hearing about from the others. All you've got to do is two things, both of them are commonsense. Allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices and roll back the Trump corporate tax cuts that went to corporations and the wealthy that didn't even need it.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Warren?

    WARREN: So I started this by talking about 36 million Americans, including Americans with insurance, who just can't even afford to have a prescription filled. We all talk about plans, health care plans that we have, and these plans are paid for.

    The problem is that plans like the mayor's and like the vice president's is that they are an improvement. They are an improvement over where we are right now. But they're a small improvement. And that's why it is that they cost so much less, because by themselves, they're not going to be enough to cover prescriptions for 36 million people who can't afford to get them filled.

    What we need to do is make the commitment that we know where the money comes from. We can ask those at the very top, the top 1 percent, to pay a little more. Those giant corporations like Chevron and Amazon who paid nothing in taxes, we can have them pay. And we can go after the corporate tax cheats. And when we do that, we have enough money to provide health care for all our people.

    Yes, we build on the Affordable Care Act, but where we end up is we offer health care to all of our people. And we can offer it at no cost or low cost to all of them.

    PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: It's just not true that the plan I'm proposing is small. We've got to move past a Washington mentality that suggests that the bigness of plans only consists of how many trillions of dollars they put through the Treasury, that the boldness of a plan only consists of how many Americans it can alienate.

    This would be a game-changer. This would be the biggest thing we've done to American health care in a half-century. Let's measure the effects of our plans based on what they would do in our everyday lives.

    And, yes, we're taking on cost. On prescription drugs, we'll have an out-of-pocket cap, even if you don't get the subsidies that would make it free, a $250 monthly cap. And here's why it's got to be monthly. You ever been in that situation or known somebody who finds that they've got to defer a procedure or delay filling a prescription to try to have it happen in the right month because of when your out-of-pocket cap hits?

    It makes no sense medically because most of us don't experience the economy on an annual basis. Our bills don't come in every year. They come in every month. Same with our paychecks, biweekly or monthly.

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    BUTTIGIEG: That's why we set this up in a way to solve the problem without running up $20 trillion, $30 trillion, $40 trillion bills.

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Sen. Warren, your response?

    WARREN: Look, the numbers that the mayor is offering just don't add up. The average family in America last year paid $12,000 in some combination of deductibles and co-pays and uncovered expenses and fees. You can't cover that with the kind of money that the mayor is talking about.

    The way we have to approach this is we've got to build this and we've got to build the alliances to make this happen. I can bring down the cost of prescription drugs like insulin and take hundreds of millions of dollars out of the system immediately in costs. We can get help to families.

    But we have to be willing to work together. We can let people experience what health care is like when it's you and your doctor, your mental health professional, your nurse practitioner, with no insurance company standing in the middle.

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Sen. Warren.

    WARREN: When people try it and use it, then...

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar?

    KLOBUCHAR: Sen. Warren, you acknowledged that Medicare for all ó that you couldn't get there right away. You got on the bill that said on page eight, which is why I didn't get on it, that you would kick 149 million Americans off their current health insurance. Then, a few months ago, you said, no, you're going to wait a while to get there.

    And I think that was some acknowledgment that maybe what we're talking about is true. And I don't buy that it's not enough. It is a big, big step to say to people making $100,000 that your premiums will be cut in half, which is what the nonprofit public option will do.

    And as you talk, Mayor Buttigieg, about Medicare and having negotiation, I actually have led that bill for years. I have 34 cosponsors. As president, I can get it done. That would allow Medicare to finally negotiate and lift the ban that big pharma got into law that says they can't negotiate for better prices for our seniors.

    PHILLIP: Senator...

    KLOBUCHAR: I will get it done.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Sanders, coming to you now. CNN reached out to Iowa Democratic voters for their most pressing questions. Edward from here in Des Moines writes, "Des Moines is an insurance town. What happens to all the insurance industry ó the health insurance industry here if there is Medicare for all? What happens to all the jobs and the livelihoods of the people that live in insurance towns like Des Moines?"

    SANDERS: We build in to our Medicare for all program a transition fund of many, many billions of dollars that will provide for up to five years income and health care and job training for those people.

    But here is the issue. Tom Steyer made the point a moment ago. We are now spending twice as much per person on health care as do the people of any other country. That is insane. In some cases, 10 times more for prescription drugs. Why is that? Why is that? And the answer is: the greed and corruption of the drug companies and the insurance companies.

    And if we want to do what every other major country on Earth does and guarantee people health care is a human right, not a privilege, you know what we have to do? We are finally going to have to stand up to the health care industry...

    STEYER: Can I respond to this?

    SANDERS: ... and end hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and profiteering.

    PHILLIP: Mr. Steyer?

    STEYER: I just want to emphasize what Sen. Sanders said. This is not a complicated problem. Between what Sen. Warren and Sen. Sanders said, it's clear. There are two problems. We're spending way too much because corporations own the system and we're not negotiating against those corporations.

    And we've given tax cuts to the richest Americans and the biggest corporations for decades. That's all this is. We have corporations who are having their way with the American people and people are suffering.

    Sen. Warren is right. This is cruelty for money. In order to break this, we're going to have to break the corporate stranglehold and solve both the tax and the negotiating problem. That's why I'm for term limits. We need to redo Washington, D.C., and...

    PHILLIP: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    STEYER: ... actually take back the government from the corporations who've bought it.

    PHILLIP: Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Vice President Biden?

    BIDEN: I would argue that the biggest breakthrough in recent time was us being able to do in our administration what five ó five Democratic presidents couldn't get done, and that is pass Obamacare. It was a big deal.

    Secondly, I would argue that the way you control drug prices is you limit what they can charge for those prices. You don't have to pay the price. Limit what they can charge. If, in fact, they charge more than we set the price for, they can ó they can, in fact ó we can ó people can import from abroad, assuming that it is ó it is ó it is safe.

    We, in fact ó it's only yellow, Wolf, OK? And we can, in fact, do all of this and still provide people the option to stay ó the roughly 150 to 160 million Americans who like the negotiated plan they have with their employers. If they don't like it, or the employer gets rid of it, they can buy into a Medicare plan in the Biden plan.

    BLITZER: Let's talk a little bit more about prescription drugs right now. Prescription drug prices in 2018, Americans spent $335 billion on prescription drugs alone. That's about $60 billion more than they paid a decade ago.

    Sen. Warren, you've called for the creation of a government-run drug manufacturer that would step in if there is a drug shortage or a price spike. Why does it make sense for the government ó for the government to manufacture drugs, especially when public trust in government is near historic lows?

    WARREN: So, let's do this both ways. What I also have said is, I'm just going to use the power that is available and I will do what a president can do all by herself on the very first day, and that is lower the prices of certain prescription drugs. I will lower the price of insulin.

    We already have the legal authority with the president to do that. The president just hasn't picked up and used it. I will lower the price of EpiPens, of HIV-AIDS drugs. That's going to bring a lot of relief to a lot of families immediately.

    But, you know, there are a whole lot of drugs, about 90 percent of drugs, that are not under patent. They're generic drugs. But the drug industry has figured out how to manipulate this industry to keep jerking the prices up and up and up.

    So my view is, let's give them a little competition. The government lets contracts for all kind of things. They let contracts to build buildings. They let contracts to build military weapons. Let's let the contracts out. Put the contracts out so that we can put more generic drugs out there and drive down those prices.

    This is a way to make markets work, not to try to move away from the market. You don't have to even use price controls. The whole idea behind it is get some competition out there so the price of these drugs that are no longer under patent drops where it should be.

    BLITZER: Sen. Klobuchar, do you believe the government should be manufacturing drugs?

    KLOBUCHAR: I am open to looking at it, but I would try these things first. Number one, I mention the Medicare negotiation. Number two, I have a plan, 137 things I've found that a president can do herself in the first 100 days without Congress ó that are legal.

    (LAUGHTER)

    And one of those things is that you can start bringing in less expensive drugs from other countries. Bernie and I had an amendment on this. We got 14 Republican votes on it. It was at midnight. They might have not known what they were voting for. But we got that.

    (LAUGHTER)

    I now have an actual bill with Sen. Grassley that does that. And I have a bill to get at what Elizabeth was talking about, which is to stop generics from taking money from big pharmaceuticals to keep their products off the market.

    The issue here is that there are two pharma lobbyists for every member of the Congress.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Senator.

    KLOBUCHAR: They think they own Washington. They don't own me.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: And as president, I will get this done.

    PFANNENSTIEL: We're going to turn now to childcare, a huge expense for many new families and a problem that's especially acute in rural Iowa. We have another question for an Iowa Democratic voter.

    Mayor Buttigieg, this is for you. Tiffany from Clive writes, as a young mom, I had to quit a job I love because childcare costs were taking up two-thirds of my income. Many families don't have the option of quitting a job because that little bit of income is needed. That leads to families using whatever care they can find, and sometimes the results are deadly, as we've seen in Iowa over the last few years. How will you prioritize accessing quality, affordable child care in your first 100 days in office?

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    BUTTIGIEG: It makes no sense for childcare to cost two-thirds of somebody's income. We've to drive it to 7 percent or below, and zero for those families who are living in poverty.

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    But this is happening to folks at every level of the income spectrum. I meet professionals who sometimes say that they're working in order to be able to afford childcare in order to be able to be working. It makes no sense, and it must change, and we shouldn't be afraid to put federal dollars into making that a reality.

    Subsidizing childcare and making sure that we are building up a workforce of people who are paid at a decent level to offer early childhood education, as well as childcare writ large. We can do that.

    And until we do, this will be one of the biggest drivers of the gender pay gap. Because when somebody like the voter asking the question has to step out of the workforce because of that reason, she is at a disadvantage when she comes back in, and that can affect her pay for the rest of her career.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Warren, your education plan includes tuition-free public college for all, but you impose an income limit for free childcare. Why do your plans cover everyone for public college, but not childcare and early learning?

    WARREN: No, actually, my plan is universal childcare for everyone. It just has some people adding a small payment.

    But understand this about the plan. I've been there. You know, I remember when I was a young mom. I had two little kids, and I had my first real university teaching job. It was hard work. I was excited. But it was childcare that nearly brought me down. We went through one childcare after another, and it just didn't work.

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    If I hadn't been saved by my Aunt Bee ó I was ready to quit my job. And I think about how many women of my generation just got knocked off the track and never got back on, how many of my daughter's generation get knocked off the track and don't get back on, how many mamas and daddies today are getting knocked off the track and never get back on.

    I have a two cent wealth tax so that we can cover childcare for all of our children, and provide universal pre-K for every 3-year-old and 4-year-old in America, and stop exploiting the people who do this valuable work, largely black and brown women. We can raise the wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher in America. That's an investment in our babies. That's an investment in their mamas and their daddies. And it's an investment in our teachers and in our economy.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Sanders, will your...

    (APPLAUSE)

    WARREN: It's what we need to do.

    PFANNENSTIEL: ... universal childcare program be free for everyone regardless of income?

    SANDERS: Yeah. Let me pick up on this childcare thing. Every psychologist in the world knows zero through 4 are the most important years of human life, intellectually and emotionally. And yet our current childcare system is an embarrassment, it is unaffordable. Childcare workers are making wages lower than McDonald's workers.

    We need to fundamentally change priorities in America. We should not be one of a few countries that does not have universal high-quality affordable childcare. We should not be one of the only major countries not to guarantee health care to all people as a human right. We should not be spending more than the 10 next countries on the military, hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies for the fossil fuel industry, tax breaks for billionaires, and then tell the moms and dads in this country we cannot have high-quality affordable childcare.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Senator. Vice President Biden, I'm coming to you now.

    SANDERS: That is wrong.

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    PFANNENSTIEL: Vice President Biden, infant care is more expensive than in-state public college tuition in more than half the country. Do you support free universal infant care?

    BIDEN: There should be free universal infant care, but here's the deal. You know, I was a single parent, too. When my wife and daughter were killed, my two boys I had to raise. I was a senator, a young senator. I just hadn't been sworn in yet. And I was making $42,000 a year.

    I commuted every single solitary day to Wilmington, Delaware, over 500 miles a day ó excuse me, 250 miles a day, because I could not afford but for my family childcare. It was beyond my reach to be able to do it.

    And that's why there are several things we do. When I triple the amount of money for Title I schools, every child, 3, 4, and 5 years old, will, in fact, have full schooling. They'll go to school and after-school programs, which will release some of the burden.

    Secondly, I think we should have an $8,000 tax credit which would put 7 million women back to work that could afford to go to work and still care for their children as an $8,000 tax credit. I also believe that we should, in fact, for people who, in fact, are not able to afford any of the infant care to be able to get that care.

    But Bernie's right. We have to raise the salaries of the people who are doing the care. And I provide for that, as well. My time is up, I know, but I'm not going to go over like everybody.

    (LAUGHTER)

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mayor Buttigieg ó Mayor Buttigieg, higher education is another huge expense for families. You oppose free public college for all because you don't want to make it, quote, "free for the kids of millionaires." But lots of public services are available to the kids of rich people, like libraries and public schools. Why do you draw the line at public colleges and universities?

    BUTTIGIEG: Well, it's simple. We expect and hope for everyone to get through 12th grade. It's not the same for college. Now, again, I don't want cost ever to be a barrier to somebody seeking to attend college. And under my plan, it won't be.

    As a matter of fact, for the first 80 percent of Americans by income, it is free at public colleges. But if you're in that top income bracket, don't get me wrong, I still wish you well. I hope you succeed when you go to college. I just need you to go ahead and pay that tuition, because we could be using those dollars for something else.

    There is a very real choice about what we do with every single taxpayer dollar that we raise, and we need to be using that to support everybody, whether you go to college or not, making sure that Americans can thrive, investing in infrastructure, and something that hasn't come up very much tonight but deserves a lot of attention, poverty.

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    You know, the Poor People's Campaign is marching on Iowa right now calling on us to talk about this issue more. They are driven by their faith. I think because even though in politics we're supposed to talk middle class, they know there's no scripture that says as you've done unto the middle class, so you've done unto me.

    We've got to be making sure that we target our tax dollars where they will make the biggest difference. And I don't think subsidizing the children of millionaires and billionaires to pay absolutely zero in tuition at public colleges is the best use of those scarce taxpayer dollars.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Warren?

    WARREN: So, look, the way I think we need to do this is we need a wealth tax in America. We need to ask people with fortunes above $50 million to pay more. And that means that the lowliest millionaire that I would tax under this wealth tax would be paying about $19 million in the first year in taxes.

    If he wants to send his kid to public university, then I'm OK with that, because what we really need to talk about is the bigger economic picture here. We need to be willing to put a wealth tax in place, to ask those giant corporations that are not paying to pay, because that's how we build an economy and, for those who want to talk about it, bring down the national debt.

    You do universal childcare and you've got a lot of mamas who can go to work, a lot of mamas who can finish their education. We make that investment in universal college. We've got a lot of people who...

    (CROSSTALK)

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Senator. Sen. Klobuchar?

    KLOBUCHAR: Yeah, you know, I appreciate your thoughts, Elizabeth, but I want to step back. I actually think that some of our colleagues who want free college for all aren't actually thinking big enough.

    I think what we have to look at is how we connect our education system with our economy. Where are our job openings? And what do we need? We are going to have over a million openings for home health care workers that we don't know how to fill in the next 10 years. We are going to have open 100,000 jobs for nursing assistants. Weó as my union friends know ó we're going to have over 70,000 openings for electricians.

    We're not going to have a shortage of MBAs. We're going to have a shortage of plumbers. So when we look at that, then we step back. Where should our money go? It should go into K through 12. It should go into free one- and two-year degrees, like my dad got, like my sister got.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: And then we should double the Pell grants, because we're going to need four-year degrees...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar. Mr. Steyer...

    KLOBUCHAR: ... so the money goes where it should go, instead of to rich kids going to college.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mr. Steyer, as a billionaire, should your children have been entitled to free public college?

    STEYER: No. And let me say this. I was one of the people who talked about a wealth tax almost a year-and-a-half ago. I believe that the income inequality in this country is unbearable, unjust, and unsupportable, and the redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans from everyone else has to end. And I proposed a wealth tax almost a year-and-a-half ago to start to address it and to raise some of the money that we need.

    But I want to go beyond this and go back to this question about education, because we're talking a lot about college. But, in fact, if you talk about the Poor People's Campaign, you have to realize that for the youngest kids, they are getting an education that's relative to the taxes in their neighborhoods. We need to redistribute money so every kid has a chance, so we're not legislating inequality for the next generation, and so we actually invest in every single kid, specifically poor kids, specifically black kids, specifically brown kids. We need to start using the money dramatically more for that.

    BLITZER: We'll be back with more from CNN's Democratic presidential debate, live from Des Moines, Iowa. Stay right here.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    BLITZER: Welcome back to CNN's Democratic presidential debate. We're live in Des Moines, Iowa.

    Tomorrow, the speaker, Nancy Pelosi, will send articles of impeachment against President Trump to the United States Senate, launching the third trial of a U.S. president. The Republican-led Senate has signaled that it is likely to acquit him.

    Vice President Biden, if you're the nominee, is it going to be harder to run against President Trump if he's been acquitted and able to claim vindication, especially after what he's said about your family?

    BIDEN: It's irrelevant. There's no ó there's no choice but to ó for Nancy Pelosi and the House to move. He has, in fact, committed impeachable offenses. Whether the Senate makes that judgment or not, it's for them to decide.

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    But ó and, by the way, I'm told that, you know, we ó that I don't ó I say we have to unite the country and it's going to be harder after this trial. It may be. But, look, you know, I understand how these guys are, this Republican Party. They've got gone after ó savaged my surviving son, gone after me, told lies that your networks and others won't even carry on television because they're flat-out lies.

    And I did my job. The question is whether or not he did his job. And he hasn't done his job. And so it doesn't really matter whether or not he's gone after me. I've got to be in a position that I think of the American people. I can't hold a grudge. I have to be able to not only fight, but also heal.

    And as president of the United States, that's what I will attempt to do, notwithstanding that ó we're going to be more division after he's defeated by me this next time.

    BLITZER: Sen. Klobuchar, you're going to be a juror in the trial in the Senate that's about to start. Do you worry President Trump will be emboldened by acquittal?

    KLOBUCHAR: No. We have a constitutional duty to do ó to perform here. And when I look at what the issue is, it's whether or not we're going to be able to have witnesses. We've asked for only four people as witnesses. And if our Republican colleagues won't allow those witnesses, they may as well give the president a crown and a scepter. They may as well make him king. And last time I checked, our country was founded on this idea that we didn't want to be ruled by a king.

    And I think the best way to think about this is trial and what we're facing in this election is a story of a man from Primghar, Iowa. His name was Joseph Welch. He came from humble beginnings, a son of immigrants. He became the Army counsel. And he was the one that went to the Joseph McCarthy hearings. And when McCarthy was blacklisting people and going after people because of their political beliefs or supposed political beliefs, there was only one man.

    Everyone that was afraid, they were afraid of being blacklisted, Joseph Welch, he stood up and looked at McCarthy and said, have you no sense of decency, sir? Have you no sense of decency. This is a decency check on our government. This is a patriotism check. Not only is this trial that...

    BLITZER: Thank you.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... but also this election. And no matter if you agree with everyone here on the stage, I say this...

    BLITZER: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... to Americans, you know this is a decency check on this president.

    BLITZER: Mr. Steyer, you have spent millions and millions of dollars telling the American people that President Trump deserves to be impeached. Will it have been worth if it he has been impeached but not removed from office?

    ►Who's spending the most on political ads in Iowa? Tom Steyer leads the pack.

    STEYER: Well, Wolf, actually what I have done is to organize a petition drive of 8.5 million Americans to sign and say this president deserves to be impeached and removed from office. And those 8.5 million people have called their congresspeople, have emailed their congresspeople, and have actually dragged Washington, D.C., to see that in fact this is a question of right and wrong and not of political expediency.

    So if you ask me whether standing up for what's right in America, standing up for the American people and our safety, standing up for the Constitution, whether doing that and trying to bring the truth in front of the American people in televised hearings so we can decide what the truth is for ourselves, if you think that that isn't worth it, then you don't share the idea that I do about what America is about.

    Standing up for what's right is always worth it, Wolf. And I will never back down from that.

    (APPLAUSE)

    BLITZER: Sen. Warren, a Senate trial is expected to keep you in Washington in the weeks leading up to the Iowa Caucuses here. How big of a problem is that for you as you're making your closing pitch to voters here?

    WARREN: Look, some things are more important than politics. I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. It says that no one is above the law. That includes the president of the United States. We have an impeachment trial. I will be there because it is my responsibility.

    But understand this, what that impeachment trial is going to show once again to the American people, and something we should all be talking about, is the corruption of this administration. That is what lies at heart of it. It is about Donald Trump putting Donald Trump first. Not the American people. Not the interests of the United States of America. Not even helping Ukraine defend against Russia.

    It is about him helping himself. That is what we need to do to win this election. We need to draw that distinction and show that as Democrats we're not going to be the people who are just out for the big corporations, people who want to help themselves, that we are going to be the party that is willing to fight on the side of the people. That's why we're here.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Let's turn now to the climate crisis. Here in Iowa parts of the state remain under water after record-breaking flooding began last spring, racking up an estimated $2 billion in damages. Today many Iowans are still displaced from their homes.

    Mayor Buttigieg, you have talked about helping people move from areas at high risk of flooding. But what do you do about farms and factories that simply can't be moved?

    BUTTIGIEG: That's why we have to fight climate change with such urgency. Climate change has come to America from coast to coast. Seeing it in Iowa. We have seen it in historic floods in my community. I had to activate our emergency operation center for a once-in-a-millennium flood. Then two years later had to do the same thing.

    In Australia there are literally tornadoes made of fire taking place. This is no longer theoretical and this is no longer off in the future. We have got to act, yes, to adapt, to make sure communities are more resilient, to make sure our economy is ready for the consequences that are going to happen one way or the other.

    But we also have to ensure that we don't allow this to get any worse. And if we get right, farmers will be a huge part of the solution. We need to reach out to the very people who have sometimes been made to feel that accepting climate science would be a defeat for them, whether we're talking about farmers or industrial workers in my community, and make clear that we need to enlist them...

    PFANNENSTIEL: But, Mayor Buttigieg...

    BUTTIGIEG: ... in the national project to do something about it.

    PFANNENSTIEL: ... to clarify, what do you do about farms and factories that cannot be relocated?

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    BUTTIGIEG: We are going to have to use federal funds to make sure that we are supporting those whose lives will inevitably be impacted further by the increased severity and the increased frequency. And by the way, that is happening to farms, that is happening to factories, and that disproportionately happens to black and brown Americans, which is why equity and environmental justice have to be at the core of our climate plan going forward.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg.

    Mr. Steyer, what's your response?

    STEYER: Look, what you're talking about is what's called managed retreat. It's basically saying we're going to have to move things because this crisis is out of control. And it's unbelievably expensive. And of course we'll come to the rescue of Americans who are in trouble.

    But this is why climate is my number one priority. And I'm still shocked that I'm the only person on this stage who will say this. I would declare a state of emergency on day one on climate.

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    (APPLAUSE)

    I would do it from the standpoint of environmental justice and make sure we go to the black and brown communities where you can't breathe the air or drink the water that comes out of the tap safely. But I also know this, we're going to create millions of good-paying union jobs across this country. It's going to be the biggest job program in American history.

    So I know we have to do it. I know we can do it. And I know that we can do it in a way that makes us healthier, that makes us better paid, and is more just. But the truth of the matter is, we're going to have to do it and we're going to have to make the whole world come along with us. And it's going to have to be...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mr. Steyer...

    STEYER: ... priority one.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Mr. Steyer, to clarify, you say you're the climate change candidate, but you made your $1.6 billion in part by investing in coal, oil, and gas. So are you the right messenger on this topic?

    STEYER: I absolutely am. Look, we invested in every part of the economy. And over 10 years ago I realized that there was something going on that had to do with fossil fuels, that we had to change. So I divested from fossil fuels. I took the Giving Pledge to give most of my money away while I'm alive. And for 12 years I have been fighting the climate crisis.

    I have beat oil companies in terms of clean air laws. I have stopped fossil fuel plants in Oxnard, California. I fought the Keystone pipeline. I have a history of over a decade of leading the climate fight successfully.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    STEYER: So actually, yes, I am the person here who has the chops and the history that says, I'll make it priority one, because I have been doing it for a long time.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

    Sen. Warren, President Trump is rolling back major environmental rules to allow pipeline and other major infrastructure projects to be built without strict environmental review. Will you restore those protections and in a way that the next president can't overturn?

    WARREN: Yes. Climate change threatens every living thing on this planet. And the urgency of the moment cannot be overstated. I will do everything a president can do all by herself on the first day. I will roll back the environmental changes that Donald Trump is putting in place. I will stop all new drilling and mining on federal lands, and offshore drilling. That will help us get in the right directions. I'll bring in the farmers. Farmers can be part of the climate solution.

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    We should see this for the problem it is. Mr. Steyer talks about it being problem number one. Understand this, we have known about this climate crisis for decades. Back in the 1990s we were calling it global warming, but we knew what it was. Democrats and Republicans back then were working together because no one wanted a problem.

    But you know what happened? The industry came in and said, we can make big money if we keep them divided and make no change. Priority number one has to be taking back our government from the corruption. That is the only way we will make progress on climate, on gun safety, on health care, on all of the issues that matter to us.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Warren.

    Sen. Klobuchar, some of your competitors on this stage have called for an all-out ban on fracking. You haven't. Why not?

    KLOBUCHAR: Well, first of all, I would note that I have 100 percent rating from the League of Conservation Voters. And that is because I have stood tall on every issue that we have talked about up here when it comes to this administration, this Trump administration, trying to reverse environmental protections. I think it is going to lead to so many problems.

    And one thing that hasn't been raised, by the way, is the rules on methane, which is actually one of the most environmentally dangerous hazards that they have recently embarked on. And I would bring those rules back as well as a number of other ones.

    When it comes to the issue of fracking, I actually see natural gas as a transition fuel. It's a transition fuel to where we get to carbon neutral.

    Nearly every one of us has a plan that is very similar. And that is to get to carbon neutral by 2045 to 2050, to get to by 2030 to a 45 percent reduction.

    And I want to add one thing that no one's really answered. When we do this, we have to make sure that we make people whole. And when we put a tax on carbon, which we will do either through cap-and-trade or through a renewable electricity standard or through a fee on carbon...

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... then we have to make sure the money goes back to the people...

    PFANNENSTIEL: I want to...

    (CROSSTALK)

    PFANNENSTIEL: ... into this conversation.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... that will be hurt by it.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Thank you, Sen. Klobuchar.

    KLOBUCHAR: ... to help with their energy bills and to bring jobs to areas that will lose jobs.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Sen. Sanders?

    SANDERS: Thank you.

    (LAUGHTER)

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    Let's be clear. If we as a nation do not transform our energy system away from fossil fuel, not by 2050, not by 2040, but unless we lead the world right now ó not easy stuffó the planet we are leaving our kids will be uninhabitable and unhealthy.

    We are seeing Australia burning. We saw California burning. The drought here in Iowa is going to make it harder for farmers to produce the food that we need.

    This is of course a national crisis. I introduced legislation to indicate it's a national crisis. We have got to take on the fossil fuel industry and all of their lies and tell them that their short-term profits are not more important than the future of this planet. That's what the Green New Deal does. That's what my legislation does. And that is what we have to do.

    PFANNENSTIEL: Vice President Biden, your response?

    BIDEN: My response is, back in 1986, I introduced the first climate change bill ó and check PolitiFacts (sic); they said it was a game-changer. I've been fighting this for a long time. I headed up the Recovery Act, which put more money into moving away from fossil fuels to ó to solar and wind energy than ever has occurred in the history of America.

    Look, what we have to do is we have to act right away. And the way we act right away is, immediately if I'm elected president, I'll reinstate all the mileage standards that existed in our administration which were taken down. That's 12 billion gallons of gasoline ó barrels of gasoline to be saved immediately.

    And with regard to those folks who in fact are going to be victimized by what's already happened, we should be investing in infrastructure that raises roads, makes sure that we're in a position where we have ó that every new highway built is a green highway, having 550,000 charging stations.

    We can create ó and this is where I agree with Tom ó we can create millions of good-paying jobs. We're the only country in the world that's ever taken great crisis and turned it into great opportunity. And one of the ways to do it is with farmers here in Iowa, by making them the first group in the world to get to net zero emissions by paying them for planting and absorbing carbon in their fields right ó there's more to say, but I know my time is...

    PHILLIP: A key part of your mission in this primary is going to be to prove to Democratic voters that you're strong enough to take on Donald Trump. Each of you face unique challenges in doing that.

    Mayor Buttigieg, you say you've had trouble earning the support of black voters because you're unknown. But you've been campaigning for a year now and polling shows you with next to no black support, support that you'll need in order to beat Donald Trump. Is it possible that black voters have gotten to know you and have simply decided to choose another candidate?

    BUTTIGIEG: The black voters who know me best are supporting me. It's why I have the most support in South Bend. It's why, among elected black officials in my community who have gotten into this race, by far most of them are supporting me.

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    And now, nationally, I am proud that my campaign is co-chaired by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and to have support right here in Iowa from some of the most recognizable black elected leaders, from Mayor Hart of Waterloo to former Representative Berry in Black Hawk County.

    ►How 2020 hopefuls are making 'unprecedented' efforts to win African American support in Iowa

    Now, the biggest mistake we could make is to take black votes for granted. And I never will. The reason I have the support I do is not because any voter thinks that I'm perfect. It's because of the work that we have done facing some of the toughest issues that communities can, not from the luxury of ó of a debate or a television panel or a committee room but on the ground, issues from poverty to justice in policing.

    And I'm proud to say we have been nationally recognized for our work as a race-informed city on delivering greater economic justice, that we have reduced use of force by leading the region in transparency around the use of force in policing.

    Of course there is a much longer way to go, in my community and around the country. But I will be a president whose personal commitment is to continue doing this work.

    PHILLIP: Sen. Sanders, you call yourself a Democratic Socialist. But more than two-thirds of voters say they are not enthusiastic about voting for a socialist. Doesn't that put your chances of beating Donald Trump at risk?

    ►How many likely Iowa Democratic caucusgoers identify as "socialist?" Fewer than in 2016, Iowa Poll finds.

    SANDERS: Nope, not at all. And that is because the campaign that we are going to run will expose the fraudulency of who Donald Trump is. Donald Trump is corrupt. He is a pathological liar and he is a fraud.

    Now, when Trump talks about socialism, what he talks about is giving hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies to the fossil fuel industry. Donald Trump as a businessman received $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury housing.

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    My Democratic Socialism says health care is a human right. We're going to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. We're going to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. We're going to have a Green New Deal and create up to $20 million, saving the planet for our children and our grandchildren. We are going to take on the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance company. That is what Democratic Socialism is about and that will win this election.

    PHILLIP: Mr. Steyer, you've spent more than $100 million of your own dollars on television ads. How do you convince voters that you're more than just your money?

    STEYER: Look, we know how Donald Trump is going to run for president. He's going to run on the economy. He's already told Americans last month in Florida, "You don't like me and I don't like you, but you're all going to vote for me because the Democrats are going to destroy the economy in 15 minutes if they get in control."

    So let's be clear. I started a business by myself in one room. I didn't inherit a penny from my parents. I spent 30 years building that business into a multi-billion-dollar international business. Then I walked away from it and took the giving pledge and started organizing coalitions of ordinary Americans to take on unchecked corporate power.

    But whoever is going to beat Mr. Trump is going to have to beat him on the economy. And I have the experience and the expertise to show that he's a fake there and a fraud.

    Look, Mayor Pete has three years as an analyst at McKinsey. I have 30 years of international business experience. I can beat Trump on the economy. We're going to have to beat him on the economy. And I look forward to taking him down in the fall on the debate stage.

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    PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: You demoted me. I was actually an associate, but that's OK.

    (LAUGHTER)

    BUTTIGIEG: It was not the biggest part of my career. But I am ready to take on this president on the economy because I am from the exact kind of industrial Midwestern community that he pretends to speak to and has proven to turn his back on, and guided that community through a historic transformation.

    When, at the beginning of the decade, I took office, we were described as a dying city. I'm ready to take on Donald Trump because, when he gets to the tough talk and the chest-thumping, he'll have to stand next to an American war veteran and explain how he pretended bone spurs made him ineligible to serve.

    And if ó and if he keeps trying...

    (APPLAUSE)

    ... to use religion...

    (APPLAUSE)

    If a guy like Donald Trump keeps trying to use religion to somehow recruit Christianity into the GOP, I will be standing there not afraid to talk about a different way to answer the call of faith and insist that God does not belong to a political party. I am ready to take on this president...

    ►In Iowa, Pete Buttigieg wants to talk about faith.

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    BUTTIGIEG: ... on everything.

    (APPLAUSE)

    PHILLIP: Sen. Klobuchar...

    (APPLAUSE)

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    Sen. Klobuchar, you're pitching yourself as a practical candidate who can get things done. And even tonight you've dismissed some of the ideas that are offered in this primary as pipe-dreams. How are you going to inspire Democratic voters with a message of pragmatism?

    KLOBUCHAR: Our voters, actually all Americans, have seen now a number of years of a guy that has, I think, told over 15,000 lies. He is someone that literally has a rap sheet of divisive rhetoric. And I think what Americans want is something different.

    I am going to be able to stand across from him on that debate stage and say to my friends in Iowa, "The Midwest is not flyover country for me; I live here."

    ►Northern Iowa voters tell presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar she's their 'adopted' senator.

    I'm going to be able to look at him and say, "You've treated these workers and farmers like poker chips. For me, these are my friends and these are my neighbors."

    I'm going to be able to look at him and say, "You know what? You got $413 million over the course of your career. That's how you built your fortune." And what I'm going to say is this. "My grandpa worked 1,500 feet underground in the iron ore mines, saved money in a coffee can in the basement, to send my dad to a two-year community college. That's my family trust. And when you have been given an opportunity like that, you go into the world not with a sense of entitlement, Donald ó Donald Trump, but with a sense of obligation."

    PHILLIP: Thank you.

    Sen. Warren, what do you say to voters who like your policies but they're worried they will scare away swing voters you need to win this race in November?

    WARREN: So I was born and raised in Oklahoma. I have three older brothers who are all retired, who are all back there still. And two of my three brothers are Republicans. And, sure, there are a lot of things we disagree on, and we can take to our corners and do the Democratic/Republican talking points, but the truth is there's a whole lot we agree on.

    You know, my brother is just furious over Chevron and Eli Lilly and Amazon, that are giant corporations making billions of dollars in tax ó make billions of dollars in profits and pay nothing in taxes.

    My brother said, "I don't get this. I have to pay my taxes. Somebody has to keep the roads paved and the schools open and pay for our defense."

    They understand that we have an America right now that's working great for those at the top; it's just not working for anyone else. We have a chance to unite ó unite as Democrats, but also with independents and Republicans who are sick of living in a country that's working great for the politicians that are taking the money; it's working great for the lobbyists; it's working great for the corporate executives, it's just not working for everyone else.

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    I'm building the grassroots movement, leading the fight. We're going to make this America work for everyone else. That is how we're going to beat Donald Trump.

    PHILLIP: Vice President Biden, the eventual nominee will face President Trump, who has no problem mocking people, using insulting nicknames, slinging mud and telling lies. The debate against him will make tonight's debate look like child's play.

    Are you prepared for that?

    BIDEN: I am prepared for that. Look, I've been the object of his affection now more than anybody else on this stage.

    (LAUGHTER)

    I've taken all the hits he can deliver, and I'm getting better in the polls, my going up. And by the way, I have overwhelming support from the African-American community, overwhelming ó more than everybody else in this operation, number one.

    Number two, working-class people, where I come from, in Pennsylvania and the places I come from Delaware, I have great support.

    I have support across the board, and I'm not worried about taking on Donald Trump at all. And with regard to the economy, I can hardly wait to have that debate with him. Where I come from, the neighbors I come from, they're in real trouble, working-class people and middle-class people.

    When the middle class does well, the working class has a way up and the wealthy do well. But what's happening now? They're being clobbered. They're being killed. They now have a situation where if they ó the vast majority believe their children will never reach the stage that they've ó they've reached in economic security.

    We ó I love that debate because the American public is getting clobbered. The wealthy are the only ones doing well, period. I'm looking forward to the economic debate.

    BLITZER: We'll be right back with more from CNN's Democratic presidential debate, live from Des Moines, Iowa.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Stay right here.

    (APPLAUSE)

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    BLITZER: Welcome back to CNN's Democratic presidential debate, live from Des Moines, Iowa. Time now for closing statements. You each have one minute. Sen. Klobuchar, let's begin with you.

    KLOBUCHAR: Donald Trump thinks this is all about him. I think it's about you. It's not about his resorts or his tweets or even his ego. It is about your health care. It is about your schools. It is about your lives and your future.

    So if you want to do something about racial justice and immigration reform and climate change and gun safety, we need a candidate who is actually going to bring people with her. I have won every race, every place, every time. I have gotten the highest voter turnout in the country when I've led the ticket. I have passed more bills as the lead Democrat than anyone who's in Congress that's running for president. I believe that we need a president that's going to look out for you.

    It is easy to hurl insults. It is easy to draw lines in the sand and sketch out grand ideological sketches that will never see the light of day. What is hard is bringing people together and finding common ground instead of scorched earth. What is hard is the work of governing.

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    The six candidates who made the debate stage at Sheshlow Auditorium for the CNN/Des Moines Register debate. From left, Tom Steyer, billionaire political activist, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Former Vice President Joe Biden, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota. (Photo: Kelsey Kremer/The Register)

    So if you are tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me. Join me at amyklobuchar.com.

    BLITZER: Mr. Steyer?

    STEYER: I know that Iowans are going to caucus within three weeks, and I want to tell you how I feel about the American people. Look, I played team sports my entire life. The bond between teammates is deep and emotional and full of love. And as far as I'm concerned, the American people are my teammates.

    And if there's one thing I will not permit, it is someone to run down the field and kick my teammate in the face. And that is exactly what I've seen over the last seven years, traveling around this country, seeing these Republicans, led by Mr. Trump, basically kicking the American people in the face.

    I am prepared to take on Mr. Trump on the debate stage and take him down on the economy. But I am asking for your support because I know that if I'm ó if I'm going to be a good teammate to you and give you absolutely everything, without any compromise, I need the support of you on caucus night so I can turn around and together we can take back this country and together we can save the world.

    BLITZER: Mayor Buttigieg?

    BUTTIGIEG: This is our moment, this is our one shot to defeat Donald Trump, and to do it by such a big margin that we send Trumpism into the dust bin of history, too. But we cannot take the risk with so much on the line of trying to confront this president with the same Washington mindset and political warfare that led us to this point.

    If you are watching this at home and you are exhausted by the spectacle of division and dysfunction, I'm asking you to join me to help turn the page on our politics. You're seeing the president boast about the Dow Jones, wondering whether any of that will ever get to your kitchen table. Join me.

    If you're a voter of color feeling taken for granted by politics as usual, join me. If you're used to voting for the other party but right now cannot look your kids in the eye and explain this president to them, join me.

    We have a chance to change all of this if we can summon the courage to break from the past. That is why I am running for president. It is why I'm asking you to caucus for me on February 3rd. And I hope that you'll go to peteforamerica.com and join me in this effort.

    BLITZER: Sen. Warren?

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    WARREN: So much is broken in this country. I sat here in the break and just made notes about many of the things we didn't get to talk about tonight: how the disability community is struggling for true equality; how gun violence and active shooter drills worry every mother in this country; how children are living in poverty and seeing their life chances shrink; how transwomen, particularly transwomen of color, are at risk; black infant mortality; climate change that particularly hits black and brown communities; people who are being crushed by student loan debt; farmers who are barely holding on; people struggling with mental illness.

    And yet I come here tonight with a heart filled with hope. And it's filled with hope because I see this as our moment in history, our moment when no one is left on the sidelines, our moment when we understand that it comes to us to decide the future of this country, our moment when we build the movement to make real change.

    Hope and courage. That is how I will make you proud every day, as your nominee and as the first woman president of the United States of America.

    (APPLAUSE)

    BLITZER: Sen. Sanders?

    SANDERS: It's been a good debate, but we haven't asked the major question. The major question is, how does it happen in the richest country in the history of the world that half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, trying to get by on $9, $10 bucks an hour?

    How does it happen that when the top 1 percent owns more wealth than the bottom 92 percent, half a million people are sleeping out on the streets tonight? How does it happen that in this great country we are the only major nation not to guarantee health care to all? How does it happen that we have a childcare system which is dysfunctional, a criminal justice system which is broken and racist, an immigration system that needs reform?

    This is the moment when we have got to think big, not small. This is the moment when we have got to have the courage to take on the 1 percent, take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite, and create an economy and create a government that works for all of us, not just the 1 percent. Thank you.

    (APPLAUSE)

    BLITZER: Vice President Biden.

    BIDEN: Character is on the ballot this time around. The American character is on the ballot. Not what Donald Trump is spewing out, the hate, the xenophobia, the racism, that's not who we are as a nation.

    Democratic Presidential candidates Tom Steyer, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, former Vice President Joe Biden, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, former South Bend Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, stand for a photo before the CNN/Des Moines Register Democratic presidential debate in Sheslow Auditorium at Drake UniversityTuesday, Jan. 14, 2020.Buy Photo
    Democratic Presidential candidates Tom Steyer, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, former Vice President Joe Biden, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, former South Bend Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, stand for a photo before the CNN/Des Moines Register Democratic presidential debate in Sheslow Auditorium at Drake UniversityTuesday, Jan. 14, 2020. (Photo: Zach Boyden-Holmes/The Register)

    Everyone in this country is entitled to be treated with respect and dignity. Every single, solitary person has to have in a position that, in fact, we treat them with decency. It's about fundamental basic decency.

    We in the United States of America can put up with ó we can overcome four years of Donald Trump, but eight years of Donald Trump will be an absolute disaster and fundamentally change this nation.

    We have to restore America's soul, as I've said from the moment I announced. It is in jeopardy under this president of the United States. We lead the world when we lead by example, not by our power. We, in fact, have to regain the respect of the world in order to be able to change things.

    Ladies and gentlemen, we are in a position right now where we have to remember who we are: This is the United States of America. There is not a single thing beyond our capacity to do if we do it together. Let's go do it.

    (APPLAUSE)

    BLITZER: Candidates, thank you very, very much. That concludes the first Democratic presidential debate of 2020. The Iowa caucuses are only 20 days away. Tune into CNN for continuing coverage of this presidential election.

    Anderson Cooper and Chris Cuomo pick up our coverage right now.



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    The Democratic 2020 presidential candidates debated in New Hampshire on February 7 before the New Hampshire primary on February 11. Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, and Tom Steyer participated. Read the full transcript of the debate right here on Rev.com.

    George S.: (00:14)
    Candidates, welcome. Vice President Biden, the first question is for you. In the last few days, youíve been saying that Democrats will be taking too big a risk if they nominate Senator Sanders or Mayor Buttigieg, but they came out on top in Iowa. What risks did the Iowa Democrats miss?

    Joe Biden: (00:32)
    Oh, they didnít miss anything. Itís a long race. I took a hit in Iowa and Iíll probably take a hit here. Traditionally Bernie won by 20 points last time. And usually itís the neighboring senators that do well. But no matter what, Iím still in this for the same reason, we have to restore the soul of this country, bring back the middle class and make sure we bring people together. And so itís a simple proposition. It doesnít matter whether itís this one or the next. Iíve always viewed the first four encounters, two primaries, and two caucuses as the starting point. And so thatís how I view it.

    George S.: (01:08)
    Why are Senator Sanders and Mayor Buttigieg too big a risk for Democrats?

    Joe Biden: (01:12)
    Well, you know that with regard to Senator Sanders, the President wants very much to sic a label on every candidate. Weíre going to not only have to win this time, we have to bring along the United States Senate. And Bernieís labeled himself, not me, a democratic socialist. I think thatís the label that the Presidentís going to lay on everyone running with Bernie if heís a nominee. And a Mayor Buttigieg is a great guy and a real patriot. Heís a mayor of a small city, who has done some good things but has not demonstrated he has the ability to, and weíll soon find out, to get a broad scope of support across the spectrum, including African Americans and Latinos.

    George S.: (01:53)
    Senator Sanders, let me give you the chance to respond first. President Trump certainly thinks this label socialism will work. At the State of the Union, he said, ďSocialism destroys nations. Heís never going to let socialism destroy American healthcare.Ē And before the Super Bowl, he joked was Sean Hannity about your honeymoon in Moscow. Those hits are going to keep coming if youíre the nominee. Why shouldnít Democrats be worried?

    Bernie Sanders: (02:14)
    Because Donald Trump lies all the time. It doesnít matter what Donald Trump says, itís a sad state of affairs, it really is. He will say terrible things about Joe, he has [inaudible 00:02:32] ugly, disgusting things about Elizabeth, about Amy, about anybody else who was up here. But I think George, that at the end of the day, the way we defeat Donald Trump and everybody up here by the way, is united. No matter who wins this damn thing, weíre all going to stand together to defeat Donald Trump.

    Bernie Sanders: (02:55)
    I believe that the way we beat Trump is by having the largest voter turnout in the history of this country. And that is appealing to working class people, who have given up on the political process because they donít believe that anybody is hearing their pain, perceiving that pain, feeling their pain. And we got to bring young people into the political process. I am very proud that in Iowa we won the popular vote by 6,000 votes. What was most significant, most significant, is we increased voter turnout for young people under 29 by over 30%. If we do that nationally, weíre going to defeat Donald Trump.

    George S.: (03:34)
    But Senator, let me follow up there and then weíll move on. But back in Iowa, the turn out this year was about the same as it was in 2016. Far below what it was in 2008 when President Obama won.

    Bernie Sanders: (03:46)
    Thatís true. And thatís the disappointment and I think all of us probably could have done a better job in bringing out our supporters. But if there is a good spot, a good aspect about that campaign, is that young people came out in higher numbers than they did during Obamaís historic 2008 campaign. And if that happens nationally, weíre going to win and defeat Trump.

    George S.: (04:09)
    Before I move on to Mayor Buttigieg, let me just ask, is anyone else on the stage concerned about having a democratic socialist at the top of the Democratic ticket?

    Bernie Sanders: (04:20)
    Iím not.

    George S.: (04:21)
    Senator Klobuchar.

    Amy Klobuchar: (04:24)
    Bernie and I work together all the time. But I think we are not going to be able to out divide the divider in chief. And I think we need someone to head up this ticket that actually brings people with her, instead of shutting them out. And when I look at a state like New Hampshire that had a very, very close election last time in 2016, I see a state that, yes, has a high voter turnout, fired-up Democrats just like my state, which by the way, Bernie, when I led the ticket, had the highest voter turnout of any state in the country. But I add to that being able to bring in independents like you have in this state as well as moderate Republicans. Because there are so many of them out there that are looking for a candidate. And truthfully, Donald Trumpís worst nightmare is a candidate that will bring people in from the middle. The people that are tired of the noise and the nonsense. And they are tired of the tweets and the mean stuff and they are looking for someone else. And I would submit that that is me.

    George S.: (05:29)
    Mr. Steyer, is socialism [inaudible 00:05:33]

    Tom Steyer: (05:34)
    I donít think thereís any question, George, that after this week thereís a real threat that Donald Trump can get reelected. And I donít think thereís any question, but that the only way that weíre going to beat him actually is the way that Bernie Sanders said, which is to get turnout across the spectrum of democratic voters. And that means weíre going to have to appeal across the spectrum, moderates, progressives and every group. So unless you can appeal to the diverse parts of the Democratic Party, including specifically the black community, including specifically Latinos. If you canít do that, then we canít beat Donald Trump in November and we canít choose a candidate who canít do that. And I am doing that right now with 24% of blacks down in South Carolina, with high numbers in Nevada. Thatís what itís going to take is turnout, but turnout across the spectrum of democratic voters. Someone who can pull, as Amy said, everything together in every single way weíre divided.

    George S.: (06:35)
    Andrew Yang and Senator Warren then Mayor Buttigieg.

    Andrew Yang: (06:39)
    First, let me say America, itís great to be back on the debate stage. Thank you. Iím so excited, I want to give every American $1,000 a month. George, the entire capitalism, socialism dichotomy is completely out of date and the fact is when people were talking about these economic models, they did not foresee technology getting stronger, more powerful, capable of doing the work of thousands of humans in the blink of an eye. We have record high corporate profits in this country right now, but people in New Hampshire know, what else are at record highs? Mental illness, stress, debt, substance abuse, overdoses, suicides. What we have to do is actually get the markets working to improve our familyís way of life. Instead of following GDP and corporate profits off a cliff, we should be measuring our own health and wellness, life expectancy, mental health and freedom from substance abuse, clean air, and clean water, how our kids are doing. The way forward is a new human centered version of capitalism that actually uses the markets to improve our familyís lives.

    George S.: (07:46)
    Senator Warren, you reportedly said back in 2018, ďIím a capitalist to my bones.Ē Senator Sanders says, ďIím not.Ē Is that your biggest difference with Senator Sanders?

    Elizabeth Warren: (07:57)
    Oh, Bernie and I have been friends for a long time and we have a lot of things in common and we can have a lot of things that we differ on. But thereís fundamental question about how we bring our party together. We have to think about it in new ways. People across this country, whether theyíre Democrats, independents, or Republicans, understand that weíve got a government right now that works great for those at the top. Works great for giant drug companies, just not for people trying to get a prescription filled. Works great for oil companies that want to drill everywhere, just not for the rest of us who see climate change bearing down upon us. When you see a government that works great for those who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers and make big campaign donations and itís not working so great for everyone else, that is corruption, pure and simple, and we need to call it out for what it is. Corruption, and thatís what we can run on. We bring our party together.

    Elizabeth Warren: (08:54)
    Itís an issue we can all agree on and fight for to end the corruption. Weíre the Democrats, we should be the party on the side of hardworking people and we can bring in independents and Republicans on that. They hate the corruption as well. My anti-corruption plan, good for Republicans and Democrats. Thatís not only how we bring our party together. Thatís how weíre going to win in November.

    George S.: (09:21)
    Mayor Buttigieg, early in the campaign you said that the word socialism has lost its power, itís mostly lost its meaning. Do you believe that or worry it could be a potent weapon in a general election?

    Pete Buttigieg: (09:32)
    Iím not interested in the labels. Iím not interested in what Republicans are going to say. Iím interested in the style of politics that we need to put forward to actually, finally turn the page. In order to win, yes, but also in order to govern. This is a moment where the next president is going to face challenges the likes of which we hadnít even thought of a few years or decades ago. And politically, weíre facing a fundamentally new problem with President Donald Trump. So the biggest risk we could take at a time like this would be to go up against that fundamentally new challenge by trying to fall back on the familiar. Or trying to unite this country at a moment when we need that kind of unification, when our nominee is dividing people with a politics that says, if you donít go all the way to the edge, it doesnít count. A politics that says, itís my way or the highway.

    George S.: (10:32)
    Are you talking about Senator Sanders?

    Pete Buttigieg: (10:32)
    Yes. Because weíve got to bring as many people as we can into this process. Look, all of us have been saying that we can build the majority that itís going to take in order to win. But the process of actually proving it is now underway. And now it comes to New Hampshire, a state that thinks for itself, is not going to be told what to do by anyone and that has a very independent streak that is going to respond to those who are reaching out in a politics of addition and inclusion and belonging. Not one that beats people over the head and says they shouldnít even be on their side if we donít agree 100% of the time.

    George S.: (11:11)
    Senator Sanders, your response.

    Bernie Sanders: (11:13)
    Needless to say, Iíve never said that, but let me tell you what I do say. The way you bring people together is by presenting an agenda that works for the working people of this country, not for the billionaire class. The way you bring people together, Republicans, independents, Democrats, progressives, conservatives, you raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. The way you bring people together is to make it clear that weíre not going to give tax breaks to billionaires and large corporations, theyíre going to start paying their fair share of taxes. Thatís what the American people want. And Iíll tell you something else, the way you bring people together is by ending the international disgrace of this country being the only major nation on Earth not to guarantee healthcare to all people as a human right. And you bring people together by telling the pharmaceutical industry theyíre not going to charge us 10 times more for the same prescription drugs as the people in Canada that borders on New Hampshire. Thatís how you bring people together and you defeat Donald Trump.

    George S.: (12:27)
    Mayor Buttigieg, you just heard Senator Sanders make healthcare the center of his piece. Do you think his healthcare plan can bring people together?

    Pete Buttigieg: (12:34)
    I think thereís a better way. Itís true, the American people are ready. Thereís a historic majority right now, even broader than what was available to President Obama a decade ago. There is now a majority ready to act to make sure there is no such thing as an uninsured American and no such thing as an unaffordable prescription. Just so long as we donít command people to accept a public plan if they donít want to. Thatís the idea of Medicare for All Who Want It. My point is, what I am offering is campaigning for all of these things that America wants. Yes, higher wages, doubling the rate of unionization in this country, making corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share, delivering healthcare and college affordability. But also offering a way to do these game changing transformations that will actually galvanize and energize, not polarize the American people. That is not only what we need in order to win, itís what we need in order to govern and actually get these things done.

    George S.: (13:31)
    Vice President Biden, how do you unify the country?

    Joe Biden: (13:34)
    Look, Bernie says that you have to bring people together and we have to have Medicare for All. But Bernie says, and he says he wrote the damn thing, but heís unwilling to sell us with the damn thingís going to cost. The fact that weíre in New Hampshire, very levelheaded group of people, look at the numbers. How much is it going to cost? Whoís going to pay for it? It will cost more than the entire, the entire federal budget we spend now, more than entire budget. The idea middle class taxes arenít going to go up is just crazy. When they did it in Vermont, what happened? They doubled the state income tax and then had a 14% tax on withholding. And they finally did away with it. So how much is it going to cost? When you ask Bernie that, and Iíll ask him again tonight sometime, and if you ask Bernie that, he says, ďGo figure, I donít know, weíll find out.Ē

    Joe Biden: (14:28)
    I think that was on CBS. He said, Ē Weíll find out.Ē Or something to that effect. Imagine youíre going to unite the country walking into the Congress, ďI got this bill. Itís going to require Medicare for everybody. I canít tell you how much itís going to cost. Weíll find out later and itís likely to be double whatever Ö everything we spent in the federal government.Ē Who do you think is going to get that passed? I busted my neck getting Obamacare passed, getting every Democratic vote. I know how hard it is.

    George S.: (14:53)
    Senator Sanders.

    Bernie Sanders: (14:56)
    Well, for a start, what the studies show, if we do what Joe wants, weíll be spending some $50 trillion on healthcare over the next 10 years. Thatís the status quo, Joe. Thatís what Health and Human Services says. [crosstalk 00:15:15] And what we have got to do Joe, and what we have got to do is understand, simple question, Joe, we are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as do the people of any other country. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the healthcare industry last year made $100 billion in profit. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we are wasting $500 billion a year trying to administer thousands and thousands of different plans. What Medicare for All will do is save the average American substantial sums of money. Substantial, be much less expensive than your plan. And we will expand Medicare to include dental care, eyeglasses, hearing aides and home health care as well.

    George S.: (16:03)
    Vice President Biden, 30 second response, then Senator Klobuchar after that.

    Joe Biden: (16:07)
    30 second-

    George S.: (16:09)
    Yeah, 30 second-

    Joe Biden: (16:09)
    30 second response. My proposal gives you a choice. Youíre going to be covered. You have Medicare if you want it, you turn [inaudible 00:16:16] weíre going to restore all the cuts that they made in Obamacare. Weíre going to reduce drug prices, reduce prescription prices, reduce copays, et cetera. And it cost a lot of money, it costs $750 billion over 10 years. I tell you how Iím going to pay for it. Iím going to raise the capital gains rates, you pay capital gains and what your tax rate is. Thatíll pay for it, thatís $800 billion. But hereís the deal, the fact is that itís going to cost Ö Bernieís plan costs double, double what the taxpayers are paying for every single program we spend on in the United States of America.

    George S.: (16:49)
    Senator Klobuchar.

    Amy Klobuchar: (16:50)
    I keep listening to this same debate, and it is not real. It is not real, Bernie, because two thirds of the Democrats in the Senate are not on your bill and because it would kick 149 million Americans off their current health insurance in four years. And let me say what else, Elizabeth wants to do it in two years. And Pete, while you have a different plan now you sent out a tweet just a few years ago that said, henceforth, forewith, indubitably, affirmatively, you are for Medicare for All for the ages. And so I would like to point out that what leadership is about is taking a position, looking at things and sticking with them. I have long believed that the way that we expand healthcare to more people and bring down premiums is by building on the Affordable Care Act, with a nonprofit public option. That is the best way to do it.

    Amy Klobuchar: (17:42)
    And practically look at this, the Affordable Care Act is now nearly 10 points more popular than the President of United States. So why would we talk about blowing it up? What we need to do is build on it. Mental health care, addiction, longterm care, those are the things that would make it better for everyone.

    George S.: (18:00)
    Senator Warren and Mayor Buttigieg, you were both invoked. I want you each to respond and then go back to Senator Sanders.

    Elizabeth Warren: (18:05)
    So I think we need to think about healthcare a little differently and that is, 36 million Americans last year couldnít afford to have a prescription filled and that includes people with health insurance. I want everyone in here to think about what that means. They were worried enough or sick enough that they went to a doctor, a doctor looked at it and says thatís serious enough to write a prescription. They walked out and then said, itís either that or groceries. Itís that or pay them rent on time. We have got to change our healthcare system. The way [no audio or video 00:18:34] Help to the most people as quickly as we can. How about we start with what a president can do, I love saying this, all by herself. On day one, I will defend the Affordable Care Act and I will use march in orders to reduce the cost of commonly used prescription drugs like insulin and HIV, AIDS, drugs and EpiPens.

    Elizabeth Warren: (19:02)
    We can start making healthcare better for Americans from the beginning, but we have to agree to do that. We are the Democrats, we are on the side of expanding healthcare. When we come up against Donald Trump, the team that has been trying to take away healthcare from millions of people, whatís going to matter most is we are the people on the side of those who need healthcare across this country. Thatís who Democrats are.

    George S.: (19:29)
    Mayor Buttigieg, I want you to respond to that, but also take on the argument at the beginning from the Vice President, you donít have the right experience to be president.

    Pete Buttigieg: (19:35)
    Sure. Well, first of all, just to be clear, the truth is that I have been consistent throughout in my position on delivering healthcare for every American. And as to experience, I just bring a different perspective. Look, I freely admit that if youíre looking for the person with the most years of Washington establishment experience under their belt, youíve got your candidate, and of course itís not me. The perspective Iím bringing is that of somebody whose life has been shaped by the decisions that are made in those big white buildings in Washington, D.C. Somebody who has guided a community written off as dying just a decade ago through historic transformation. Somebody who knows what it means to be sent to war on orders that come out of the Situation Room. We need a perspective right now that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past. Turn the page and bring change to Washington before itís too late.

    George S.: (20:27)
    Vice President Biden, thereís his answer.

    Joe Biden: (20:29)
    The politics of the past I think were not all that bad. I wrote the Violence Against Women Act. I managed the $900 billion Recovery Act, which in fact put millions and millions of dollars into his city before he came and helped save his city. I was able to do it, I was able to pass the chemical weapons ban, arms control. And I was the first major leader holding public office to call for same sex marriage. So I donít know what about the past of Barack Obama and Joe Biden was so bad. What happened? What is it that he wants to do away with? We were just beginning.

    Joe Biden: (21:03)
    Ö Happened, what is it that he wants to do away with? We were just beginning. It was just the beginning of what will be the future of moving this country beyond where it is now in significant ways, and thereís ways to do that, and one of the ways to do that is to make sure you have someone who knows how to get things done, and can lead the free world at the same time.

    George S.: (21:18)
    Mayor Buttigieg respond, and then Senator Sanders.

    Pete Buttigieg: (21:23)
    Those achievements were phenomenally important, because they met the moment, but now we have to meet this moment. And this moment is different. The next president is going to face challenges from global health security, like what weíre seeing coming out of China, to cybersecurity, and election security challenges that were barely thought of a few years ago. And here at home, weíre seeing things like gig work, transform what it means to be a worker in America, in ways that were barely conceived of not that long ago. We cannot solve the problems before us by looking back. We have to be ready to turn the page, and change our politics before itís too late. And Iím seeing everywhere I go, not just fellow Democrats, but a striking number of independents, and, what I like to call future former Republicans ready to join in that historic American majority to turn the page.

    George S.: (22:15)
    Senator Klobuchar.

    Amy Klobuchar: (22:17)
    I am listening to this about meeting the moment, and my first thought is, Iím a fresh face up here for a presidential debate, and I figure, Pete, that 59, my age, is the new 38 up here. The second thing I think about is this, and that is-

    Bernie Sanders: (22:37)
    70 is the new 50.

    Amy Klobuchar: (22:37)
    Okay, there you go. Meeting the moment, meeting the moment, we had a moment the last few weeks, mayor, and that moment was these impeachment hearings. And there was a lot of courage that you saw from only a few people. There was courage from Doug Jones, our friend of Alabama, who took that tough vote. There was courage from Mitt Romney, who took it very, very difficult vote. There was courage, as I read today, about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman being escorted out of the White House, what he did took courage. But what you said, Pete, as you were campaigning through Iowa, as three of us were jurors in that impeachment hearing, you said it was exhausting to watch, and that you wanted to turn the channel and watch cartoons.

    Amy Klobuchar: (23:24)
    It is easy to go after Washington, because thatís a popular thing to do. It is much harder, as I see Senator Shaheen in the front row, such a leader, it is much harder to lead, and much harder to take those difficult positions. Because I think this going after every single thing that people do, because itís popular to say, and makes you look like a cool newcomer. I just, I donít think thatís what people want right now. We have a newcomer in the White House, and look where it got us. I think having some experience is a good thing.

    Bernie Sanders: (23:56)
    George, George, can IÖ

    George S.: (23:56)
    Senator Sanders, then Mayor Buttigieg.

    Andrew Yang: (23:57)
    George, can I sayÖ

    Bernie Sanders: (24:01)
    Look, at the end of the day, we got to ask ourselves a very simple question, whether itís healthcare in fact, or anything else. Why are we the only major country on earth that doesnít guarantee healthcare to all people? Pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs? Have 87 million people uninsured or under-insured? 30,000 die because they donít get to a doctor on time, and 500,000 people going bankrupt, for what reason? Because they have cancer or heart disease, or Alzheimerís. We got to ask that question, why is it why? Why have we been talking about healthcare in this country for a hundred years, and here is the answer. If you want real change in healthcare, at the end of the day, youíre going to have to take on the insurance companies, and tell them the function of healthcare is healthcare for all, not huge profits for the insurance companies. Youíre going to have to take on the drug companies, and their corruption, and their price fixing, and tell them, ďSorry, weíre not going to pay 10 times more for prescription drugs, than do the people of other country.Ē But at the end of the day, thereís no way around it. You may want to nibble around the edges, but ultimately, you need to rally the American people to tell the drug companies, to tell Wall Street, to tell the insurance companies, to tell the fossil fuel industry this country belongs to all of us, not a handful of special interests.

    George S.: (25:28)
    Mayor Buttigieg, wrap this up, and then-

    Tom Steyer: (25:31)
    I have heard this conversation on this debate stage from these people now every single debate, and theyíre all right, everybody on this stage is better on economic justice and healthcare than anybody in the Republican party, and a million times better than Donald Trump. That is not the question in front of us today. The question in front of us today is, how are we going to beat Donald Trump? You were in the Clinton campaign in 1992, and the mantra was, ďItís the economy, stupid.Ē Well, if you look at what Mr. Trump is saying, heís saying those words, ďItís the economy, stupid.Ē I trust every one of these people a million times more, but weíre going to have to take Mr. Trump down on the economy, because if you listen to him, heís crowing about it every single day, and heís going to beat us unless we can take him down on the economy, stupid. And thatís the issue here. It is not about who has the best healthcare plan. All the healthcare plans are better, a million times better.

    Tom Steyer: (26:24)
    The question is, who can go toe to toe with Mr. Trump? Who can take down Mr. Trump, because heís the real threat to the country? And let me say, you have to have experience to take him down. This is not a question of heís a nice guy whoís going to listen. We need people with experience. Thatís why Iím worried about Mayor Pete. You need to be able to go toe to toe with this guy, and take him down on the debate stage, or weíre going to lose. And thatís actually the issue in front of democratic voters. I have heard this debate so many darn times, and I love all these people, and theyíre all right. If we win, we can get the right thing, Bernie. I am with you. If we win, we can get the right thing, Pete, and Amy, but we got to win, or we are in deep trouble, and we keep not talking about the facts.

    George S.: (27:06)
    Mayor Pete.

    Pete Buttigieg: (27:17)
    Hereís how weíre going to win. Weíre going to force this president to stand on that debate stage, next to somebody who actually lives in a middle class neighborhood, in the industrial Midwest, in the exact kind of community that he pretends to speak for, but turns his back on. Weíre going to put up somebody whoís not afraid to call out things like his disgraceful behavior at the national prayer breakfast, and remind Americans that God does not belong to a political party. Weíre going to win by having somebody up there who can call him to account for his refusal to serve when it was his turn, and remind him what serving this country is really about. If we want to beat this president, weíve got to be ready to move on from the playbook that we have relied on in the past, and unify this country around a new and better vision. Thatís how weíre going to win. And when I talk about exhaustion, this is important, because I got to tell you, the American people, from outside of Washington, we feel a sense of exhaustion watching the division, and the dysfunction there.

    Pete Buttigieg: (28:21)
    And that is not to take anything away from the very good work that you and our other democratic members of Congress, and the Senate are doing. Itís not. But, the reason I raise that sense of exhaustion is I see it. I see that temptation to walk away from it all among so many people that Iíve spoken to in communities from Claremont to Manchester, and in the other states that weíre in. And the important thing for the American people to remember, is this is 2020, itís an election year. And if the Senate was the jury before, you are the jury now. The American people are the jury that will have the final verdict on this president, and on the senators in the GOP who protected him.

    Andrew Yang: (28:58)
    Pete, fundamentally, you are missing the lesson of Donald Trumpís victory. Donald Trump is not the cause of all of our problems, and weíre making a mistake when we act like he is.

    Pete Buttigieg: (29:08)
    Thatís right.

    Andrew Yang: (29:11)
    He is a symptom of a disease that has been building up in our communities for years, and decades. And it is our job to get to the harder work of actually curing the disease. Most Americans feel like the political parties have been playing you lose, I lose, you lose, I lose for years. And you know whoís been losing this entire time? We have. Our communities have. Our communities way of life is disintegrating beneath our feet. Thatís why Iowa, traditional swing state, went to Trump by almost 10 points. Thatís why Ohio, a traditional swing state is now so red, that Iím told weíre not even going to campaign there.

    Andrew Yang: (29:45)
    So, these communities are seeing their way of life get blasted into smithereens. Weíve automated away four million manufacturing jobs, and counting. Weíre closing 30% of New Hampshire stores and malls, and Amazon, the force behind that, is literally paying zero in taxes. These are the changes that Americans are seeing and feeling around us every day, and if we get done the hard work of curing those problems, we will not just defeat Donald Trump in the fall, but weíll actually be able to move our communities forward.

    George S.: (30:12)
    I know weíre going to hear a lot more on this, but weíre going to move on.

    Speaker 1: (30:15)
    Thank you George. Good evening candidates. We come to you, of course, just 48 hours after the acquittal of President Trump. A process that has certainly crystallized the divide in our country. Senator Warren, want to start with you. You have said that on day one of your presidency, one of your first orders of business will be to order your justice department to launch new investigations into the Trump Administration. After a grueling impeachment, and what is likely to be a polarizing election, is investigating President Trump the best way to try to unify the country?

    Elizabeth Warren: (30:46)
    Look, I think no one is above the law, and that includes the President of the United States. We watched on Wednesday as Republicans, all but one locked arms to protect him from impeachment, but we need to reestablish the rule of law in this country. I believe in an independent commission, in our justice department that investigates crimes committed by our own government. It is an important part of accountability. It is an important part for every administration, that we hold ourselves accountable to the American people. Look, people around this country are losing faith in our government. Theyíre losing faith that government works for them. They see a government that just works great if youíre rich. It works great if youíre a lobbyist. It works great if youíre a corporate executive, but they see themselves and their children with less and less and less, and we could do something about it.

    Elizabeth Warren: (31:50)
    Itís not enough simply to talk about the future. We have to be willing to stand up to those who now control our government, and make that government instead work for us. We can do child care in this country for every baby. We can invest in our public schools. We can cancel student loan debt for 43 million Americans, but only if we are willing to take control of our government away from the giant corporations and billionaires, return it to the people. This is about our government. This is about our democracy. This is about our future.

    Speaker 1: (32:29)
    Mr. Yang, you said that the notion of a leader quote, throwing the president before them in jail is not the way things are done here in the United States. It would make it quote, very hard for any party to govern sustainably moving forward. Does that mean that any alleged misconduct by the president or his administration should not be investigated?

    Andrew Yang: (32:49)
    There are of course limits, and you have to see what the facts are on the ground after you assume office, but the fact is, if you look around the world, the countries that have thrown past presidents into jail, have generally been developing countries, and unfortunately thatís a pattern that once you establish, is very, very hard to break. Whatís a more American tradition? We move the country forward. We donít focus on the mistakes of the leaders that are leaving office. Most Americans do not care about what a particular individual did, so much as they care about their familyís wellbeing, their community, their town. Thatís where Americans focus wants. They want the American president. They want the present. Of course, the American president, sorry about that. They want the president to be focused on that, and thatís where our attention should be. We should not fall into a pattern that has been disastrous in other countries.

    Speaker 1: (33:36)
    Senator Sanders.

    Bernie Sanders: (33:40)
    Along with Elizabeth and Amy, we sat for two weeks listening to the impeachment process, and hereís what I think the horror and the danger of what happened was not only the acquittal of Trump, who in fact committed impeachable offenses, and obstructed Congress. It is the precedent that it set. The precedent that it set. And what that precedent is about now is in the future, youíre going to have presidents who say, ďHey, governor, you want highway money? You better support me, or youíre not going to get it.Ē Because I am the president, I can do anything I want.

    Bernie Sanders: (34:20)
    Hey, Congress, you want to investigate me? Donít be ridiculous. Who cares about the Congress? Who cares about the separation of powers? Who cares about the constitution of the president? Iím the President of the United States. I have all of the power, and Iím able to intimidate members of my own party. The saddest aspect of this whole thing, is you have Republicans in the Senate who knew better. They knew that Donald Trump is a crook. They knew that Donald Trump is a cheat, but they didnít have the guts, with the exception of Romney to vote against him. That is a sad day.

    Speaker 1: (34:54)
    Mr. Steyer.

    Tom Steyer: (34:58)
    So, I did start the Need to Impeach movement in October of 2017. And my father was one of the people who prosecuted the Nazi war criminals after World War II. And thatís part of the reason I started it. Because when you see something really wrong in the United States, youíre supposed to stand up against it, and fight against it. And thatís what I was doing. But heís been, the Republicans have rolled over, theyíve had a sham trial, theyíve refused to have witnesses. Theyíve covered up the truth for the American people. And it doesnít matter anymore that heís a crook, and heís always been a crook, and he always will be a crook. Right now, what we have to do is we have to beat him in November, and we have to beat him because heís incompetent, and bad for the American people. And thatís the case we have to make now.

    Tom Steyer: (35:45)
    Is he a crook? I knew that two years ago. Is he going to be more of a crook, now that he believes he can get away with anything? Of course he is. But the job of the people on this stage is to beat him in November, and thatís going to be based on what we can deliver for the American people. The fact that heís incompetent as a president, his economy isnít delivering for working people. The jobs donít pay enough for people to live on. Weíve got to take him down on the economy, and get them out of the White House as soon as possible.

    Speaker 1: (36:15)
    Thank you Mr. Steyer. Impeachment is of course over. But Republicans in Congress have already started investigating vice president Bidenís son, Hunter. Mayor Buttigieg, do you think that thereís a danger for the democratic party to nominate a candidate who is still under the threat of investigation?

    Pete Buttigieg: (36:30)
    No, and weíre not going to let them change the subject. This is not about Hunter Biden, or vice president Biden, or any Biden. This is about an abuse of power by the president. The vice president and I and all of us are competing. But weíve got to draw a line here. And to be the kind of president, to be the kind of human being who would seek to turn someone against his own son, who would seek to weaponize a son against his own father, is an unbelievably dishonorable thing, that is just one more example of why we as a party have to be completely united in doing whatever it takes at the end of the day to make sure that this president does not get a second term.

    Speaker 1: (37:19)
    Vice president Biden.

    Joe Biden: (37:19)
    I thank my colleague for saying that. It is a diversion, but hereís the deal. Whomever the nominee is, the presidentís going to make up lies about. He thinks he has free reign right now. One of the things that I think is really important is we have to be authentic with the American people about what weíre going to do and how weíre going to do it. And by the way, Colonel Vindmen got thrown out of the White House, walked out. I think at the same time, he should have been pinning a medal on Vindmen, and not on rush Limbaugh. And I think we should all stand and give Colonel Vindmen a show of how much we supported him. Stand up and clap for Vindmen. Get up there. Who we are. Thatís who we are. We are not what Trump is.

    Speaker 1: (38:11)
    Thank you Vice President Biden. The Democratic partyís last presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton has criticized Senator Bernie Sanders track record in the senate.

    Bernie Sanders: (38:23)
    I wasnít able to hear that question.

    Speaker 1: (38:24)
    Okay sure. The democratic partyís last presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton has criticized Senator Bernie Sanders record in the senate, saying, ďNobody likes him. Nobody wants to work with him. He got nothing done.Ē Senator Klobuchar, you served with Senator Sanders in the Senate. Is he going to be able to get the support? Not if you like him, but is he going to be able to get the support that he needs from Republicans?

    Amy Klobuchar: (38:49)
    I like Bernie just fine. We actually have worked together on a number of things, including pharmaceuticals. We actually had a vote late at night one time, Klobuchar/ Sanders amendment to bring in less-

    Bernie Sanders: (39:00)
    I thought it was Sanders/Klobuchar?

    Amy Klobuchar: (39:03)
    Nope, nope, nope, it was not, it was not. To bring in less expensive drugs from other countries, since in this great state of New Hampshire, like in Minnesota and Vermont, we can see Canada from our porch. And we ended up getting I think 14 Republican votes. And they might not have noticed what was happening late at night, but we got those. And I think that it is just an example of what we need to do here, because Iíve been listening to this discussion. I agree with my colleagues, we must unite, but the way that we unite is by having an optimistic economic agenda for America. That is what we must do, and that means taking on a president, if you want to talk about being tough enough to take him on.

    Amy Klobuchar: (39:46)
    Taking on a president that literally went down to Mar-a-Lago after he signed that Republican tax bill, and looked at all his friends and said, ďYou just got a lot richer.Ē That is exhibit A for those carpenters in Pennsylvania, and those dairy farmers in Wisconsin, and those dock workers that I met with in Michigan. That is an exhibit A, and we have to be able to make the case to the working people of this country, some of whom voted for Donald Trump, that we have something better to offer. That we are going to take those incredibly regressive parts of that tax bill, and put that money into their childcare, into their healththere.

    Speaker 1: (40:25)
    Senator, just a quick yes or no. Do you think that Senator Sanders will be able to get Republican support in order to pass his bills?

    Amy Klobuchar: (40:32)
    That, I donít know. I know we did on that bill, but the point is, I think weíre better off with someone that has the receipts. Someone that has actually won big time with Republicans and independents, and Iím the only one up on this stage, you can check it out, that has consistently won in red congressional districts. Not once, not twice, but three times. And when I did this, I didnít just do it for me. I led a ticket. Iíve flipped the state house every single time, because I have a way of working with people, that I think should be valued here as we look at these candidates, and itís one of the reasons that I got the New York Times endorsement, along with Elizabeth, and that I got the endorsements of the three major papers here in New Hampshire, which is the Union Leader, the Seacoast papers, and the Keene Sentinel. I think that matters. Read those editorials, and you will get a sense of what Iím about.

    Speaker 1: (41:22)
    Thank you Senator. Senator Sanders.

    Bernie Sanders: (41:27)
    I must confess, I donít get too many newspaper editorial support. Must confess that.

    Amy Klobuchar: (41:32)
    Well, you the Conway endorsement.

    Bernie Sanders: (41:34)
    I did. Weíre very proud of that.

    Amy Klobuchar: (41:36)
    There we go.

    Bernie Sanders: (41:37)
    But, let me just say this. I think the question started off with Secretary Clintonís critique. I think, quite honestly, as we face one of the great political crises facing America, our job is to look forward and not back to 2016. And I hope that Secretary Clinton and all of us can come together, and move in that direction. Now, second of all, in terms of Republicans, let me sayÖ

    Bernie Sanders: (42:03)
    -in that direction. Now, second of all, in terms of Republicans, let me say that in my own great state of Vermont, if my memory is correct, Amy, I got 25% of the Republican vote. And in fact, there were periods when I was in the House of Representatives, a number of years where I passed more amendments on the floor of the House in a bipartisan way than any other member of the House and that is when you bring people together on an issue. There are many conservative Republicans, for example, who are concerned about civil liberties, at least they used to be concerned about civil liberties. There are Republicans, as you know, who are concerned about the high cost of prescription drugs. There are ways that we can work with Republicans on issues where we have a common basis.

    Lindsey: (42:57)
    Thank you, Senator.

    Bernie Sanders: (42:57)
    Letís do that.

    Lindsey: (42:57)
    David.

    David Muir: (42:59)
    Lindsey, thank you. Good evening, all. I want to turn to Americaís role in the world and readiness to be commander-in-chief on day one. Just this week, you saw it, during the State of the Union, President Trump offered an indication of what heíll tout on the campaign trail. He celebrated the US air strike that killed top Iranian general, Qasem Soleimani saying, ďSoleimani was the Iranian regimeís most ruthless butcher, a monster who murdered or wounded thousands of American service members in Iraq.Ē

    David Muir: (43:24)
    Mayor Buttigieg, youíre the only veteran standing on this stage and while there is still debate about whether or not there was an imminent threat, there is no debate about whether or not Soleimani was a bad actor who was responsible for the deaths of many Americans. Given what you know about Soleimani, if your national security team came to you with an opportunity to strike, would Soleimani have been dead or would he still be alive under your presidency?

    Pete Buttigieg: (43:45)
    In the situation that we saw with President Trumpís decision, there is no evidence that that made our country safer. Look, I feel very strongly about the campaign of murder and mayhem that General Soleimani and his units have perpetrated. Itís also the case that if we learned nothing else from the war in Iraq, itís that taking out a bad guy is not a good idea if you do not know what you were doing. This president has moved us this much closer to the brink of war, but it didnít start with the Soleimani strike. It started with withdrawing us from the Iran nuclear deal that his own administration certified was working. And itís time for us to recognize that every time a step is taken that moves us to the brink of war, that has incredibly serious consequences for those who serve.

    Pete Buttigieg: (44:38)
    By chance, just because I was traveling for the campaign, not long ago, I ran into somebody that I hadnít seen since we were both serving, hadnít seen since she was injured in an insider attack. And I saw her coming down the concourse in the airport wearing a Wounded Warrior Project tee shirt that said, ďSome assembly required.Ē And when I asked her how she was doing, she up her knee and tapped on the part of her leg that they couldnít save, tapped on the prosthetic and said the Navy had fixed her up just fine and then let me know that she was looking forward to an upcoming deployment.

    Pete Buttigieg: (45:11)
    The people in our uniform will do whatever the United States requires of them. What they deserve in return is a president who will actually read the intelligence, pay attention to the international security situation, consult with our allies, keep US politics out of it, and never commit our troops to a situation where they would have to go into harmís way if there is an alternative.

    David Muir: (45:35)
    Mayor Buttigieg, let me just press further on this though, because president Trump has signal in a general election campaign, he will celebrate his willingness to order that strike. Iím asking if your national security team came to you and presented you with the opportunity, would you take the strike?

    Pete Buttigieg: (45:52)
    It depends on the circumstances. It depends if there was an alternative and it depends what the different effects would be. Thatís my point. This is not an episode of 24. This is a situation that requires that you actually evaluate the entire intelligence picture. This president has insulted the intelligence community, but they put their lives on the line to gather the information that will help a decision maker evaluate whether or not something like that is justified. And I donít think he even reads it.

    Pete Buttigieg: (46:20)
    And here we have a situation where the world, that one of the most volatile places in the world has just become more dangerous at the hands of a president who has no regard for the military, not only punishing a war hero today with what he did to Colonel Vindman, but pardoning war criminals in a way that undermines the entire sense of good order and discipline and military honor. We deserve a better commander-in-chief.

    David Muir: (46:44)
    Mayor Buttigieg, thank you. I do want to take this to Vice President Biden next because we know that the Obama Administration was aware of the threat that Soleimani posed, so was the Bush Administration before it. Iím asking tonight as commander-in-chief though, would you have ordered the strike?

    Joe Biden: (46:59)
    No. And the reason I wouldnít have ordered the strike, there is no evidence yet of imminent threat that was going to come from him. Look what happened, his America First policies made America alone. You cannot think of a time, David, and as long as youíve been alive when NATO has said to the United States of America and to Iran, made a moral equivalence and said, both of you stand down. We are alone now, alone in that region of the world, without friends, without support, without allies.

    Joe Biden: (47:31)
    And secondly, you saw what happened when that air raid, when those missiles were fired from Iran into Iraq at Al-Assad Airbase, 64 of our heroes were wounded. I donít know what I wouldíve done if my son were still there. I would have been so damn angry. I donít know what I wouldíve done. But hereís what happened, they had received traumatic brain injury. What did the president say? He said, ďheadaches,Ē ďnot bad,Ē ďHeadaches, thatís all they are.Ē This guy doesnít deserve to be commander- in-chief for one more day.

    David Muir: (48:02)
    Mr. Vice President, thank you, Senator Sanders, you have called this, ďassassinating a government official.Ē You would not have ordered the strike.

    Bernie Sanders: (48:10)
    Right. Look, here is the danger, David, there are very bad leaders all over the world. Kim Jong-un in North Korea is probably responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of his people threatening all of Asia with nuclear weapons. You got Mohammad Bin Salman in Saudi Arabia who is a terrible murderer, who murdered Khashoggi in cold blood and dismembered his body. You have Putin in Russia who has been involved in political assassinations of his enemies. You got Xi in China who has put a million Muslims into concentration camps.

    Bernie Sanders: (48:49)
    You cannot go around saying youíre a bad guy, weíre going to assassinate you, and then youíre going to have, if that happens, youíre opening the door to international anarchy that every government in the world will then be subjected to attacks and assassination. What we have got to do, which Trump does not understand, is strengthen the State Department and our diplomatic capabilities, not just the military. What we have got to do is bring countries around the world together with our power and our wealth and say, you know what, let us sit down and work out our differences through debate and discussion at the UN, not through more and more war and the expenditures of trillions of dollars and the loss of God knows how many lives.

    David Muir: (49:41)
    Senator Sanders, thank you. This does take me to Afghanistan and to Americaís longest war. Senator Warren, you recently said quote, ďWe have one general after another in Afghanistan who comes in and says, ĎWeíve just turned the corner,í and then what happens? Itís all the same. Someone new comes in and says, ĎWeíve just turned the corner.í You said, ďSo many say it. Weíre going in circles.Ē

    David Muir: (50:02)
    We were on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq in recent months and the generals told us that the US needs some US presence on the ground, US special forces some presence to go after ISIS and the terrorists. If your commander-in-chief, would you listen to the generals or do they fall into the category of the generals youíve mentioned before?

    Elizabeth Warren: (50:19)
    No. Look, I sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee, so I get the briefings from the generals on a regular basis. Iíve been to Afghanistan, to Iraq. Iíve been to Jordan. Iíve been throughout the region. Iíve been there with John McCain. Iíve been there with Lindsey Graham to ask the hard questions about whatís happening, to ask our generals, to ask their generals to ask people who are on the ground. And the bottom line is, nobody sees a solution to this war. Nobody can describe what winning looks like. All they can describe is endless war.

    Elizabeth Warren: (50:52)
    And I realized there are people on this debate stage who are willing to say, yeah, weíll leave our troops there for five more years, for 10 more years. Lindsey Graham has said heís willing to leave troops for 100 more years. And yet, what has all these years of war brought us? Right now, the Afghan Government controls less than 60% of the land. People donít have faith in it. Itís a corrupt government. The opium trade is higher than ever.

    Elizabeth Warren: (51:20)
    Look, we sent our troops in and they did their best. They were there for us, but we need to be there for them. And that means, not send our troops to do work that cannot be solved militarily. It is time to bring our combat troops home. It is time to stop this endless war in Afghanistan.

    David Muir: (51:41)
    Senator Warren, I want to press you on this. You just said, ďcombat troops.Ē

    Elizabeth Warren: (51:45)
    Yes.

    David Muir: (51:45)
    So if the generals came to you and said, we need US Special Forces, some footprint in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you listen? Would you leave them?

    Elizabeth Warren: (51:53)
    So I want to hear the plan, not just a, we need it now, we need it for the next day, we need it for the six months. And I want to know where our allies are. We all have an interest in dealing with terrorism and controlling terrorism, but that means it canít just be the United States waging endless war. That does not make us safer. It does not make the region safer. It does not make the world safer. We should work with our allies in managing terrorism, but we need to end this war in Afghanistan. We cannot wait five more years, or 10 more years, or until we turn the corner 10 more times. We need to bring our combat troops home.

    David Muir: (52:34)
    Senator Warren, thank you. I want to take this to the Vice President because you have said of Senator Warrenís comments before that the United States should get out of the Middle East. You have said, ďI quite frankly was surprised that I have never heard anyone say with any serious background in foreign policy that we should pull all troops out of the Middle East.Ē Is Senator Warren wrong on this?

    Joe Biden: (52:54)
    Iím not sure what she, if she wants to pull all troops out of the Middle East, but if she does want to put all troops out of the Middle East, we saw what happens when that happened.

    Joe Biden: (53:02)
    I helped put together a 61 nation group to take out ISIS by putting fewer than 5,000 forces along the Turkish border to see to it that they, and they lost 10,000, the Kurds, lost 10,000 lives. They defeated ISIS. They ended the caliphate and then the president on a whim dealing with a man I know very well, theyíve now, the guy running Turkey who is more of an autocrat now than a Democrat, and what happened? We pulled out and you saw what happened. You saw the end of the effort to be able to continue to contain, contain ISIS, number one.

    Joe Biden: (53:37)
    Number two, close your eye, everybody. Remember what you saw on television. You saw a woman standing up there holding up her baby, Kurd, saying, ďPlease donít leave us.Ē And our military women and men standing at, going out in their [inaudible 00:53:49] Humvees with their heads down ashamed of what they did. It didnít take a lot of men or men and women to do what needed to be done.

    Joe Biden: (53:57)
    And with regard Afghanistan, now I can say it because it was made public, I was totally against the whole notion of no nation building in Afghanistan. The only thing we should be doing is dealing with terrorism in that region. Iíve been in every part of Afghanistan, not in combat like my friend has, but in helicopter and/or on a vehicle in every part of it as senator and vice president. Hereís what I saw, there is no possibility of uniting that country, no possibility at all of making it a whole country. But it is possible to see to it that theyíre not able to launch more attacks from the region on the United States of America. Thatís a small footprint that we needed and I argued for that in the beginning.

    David Muir: (54:38)
    You mentioned Mayor Buttigieg. And I do want to take this to you next, mayor. Given your finish in Iowa, youíve come under increasing scrutiny, attacks from opponents on experience. Weíve heard that theme even right here tonight. You have said on the Iraq War, for example. ďI just donít believe there is any justification for that vote.Ē You said, ďItís the difference between tenure and judgment.Ē That itís the judgment that matters, not the time in Washington. Vice President Biden, as you know, voted yes. As commander-in-chief, do you believe your judgment would be better than the vice presidentís?

    Pete Buttigieg: (55:07)
    I believe that I have the judgment to help us get through these situations where obviously the vice president made the wrong decision when it came to such an important moment in our foreign policy. And looking forward, we got to recognize just how much is going to be on the plate of the next president that is different in kind from what we have faced before. Itís not just about dealing with the aftermath of the war in Iraq, itís about preventing a war with Iran. And not only do we have to undertake the military and counter terrorism activities that weíve been doing throughout, the next president is going to have to restore the credibility of this country among our allies and among the international community.

    Pete Buttigieg: (55:48)
    At a moment when we are facing fundamentally different challenges from asymmetric warfare to cybersecurity threats, in President Trumpís imagination of a national security strategy is a big wall and a moat full of alligators. Itís a 17th century approach to keeping a place safe. What we have to do is be ready for the future and that means insisting not only on shoring up our relationships, but defining a strategy to keep the American people safe from fundamentally new challenges.

    David Muir: (56:16)
    Mr. Vice President, Iíll let you respond to his argument on judgment.

    Joe Biden: (56:21)
    I made a mistake and I said it 14 years ago. I trusted George Bush to keep his word. He said he was not going to go into Iraq. He said he was only using this to unite the United Nations to insist we get inspectors in to see what Saddam was doing. When we got elected, the president turned to me with the entire security apparatus and said, ďJoe, I want you to organize getting 156,000 troops out of Iraq.Ē I did that. I did that.

    Joe Biden: (56:46)
    The other thing I want to point out too is that NATO is in fact going to crumble if we donít beat Trump. NATO is in real trouble. We need NATO for more reasons than just physical security. We need NATO to make sure that we do not allow Russia to continue to have its influence in Eastern Europe in ways that it had before. It wasnít just to stop the Soviet Union from coming into the United States, coming into Europe. It was to make sure that we did not have a kleptocracy taking over that part of the world, to unite Europe in our behalf. I know how to deal with them. I know every one of these world leaders by their first names. They call me. I talked to them and I believe I can get it done.

    David Muir: (57:22)
    Mr. Vice President, thank you. Mr. Steyer, I do want to bring you in on this because I noticed in the last 24 hours you have an attack ad running here in New Hampshire with images of Mayor Buttigieg and you say over those images ďan untested newcomer.Ē But I wanted to ask you tonight on this readiness to be commander-in-chief, you share the stage with a veteran from Afghanistan, a vice president who was in the Situation Room. What makes you most qualified of all candidates on this stage to be commander-in-chief?

    Tom Steyer: (57:47)
    Well, let me say this, I agree with Pete Buttigieg that itís about judgment not tenure. What weíre hearing here is a very long dissertation about exactly how America should be the worldís policemen. And what weíve actually seen in the Middle East is that Barack Obama used diplomacy to get Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions in return for our releasing economic sanctions along with our partners around the world. So when weíre talking about our role in the world and commander-in-chief, we have abandoned a diplomacy. We donít have a strategy and we donít have allies.

    Tom Steyer: (58:26)
    And actually this view of the world, that our response should be military is driven by our gigantic military complex and ignores the biggest problem that we face internationally in the world, which is climate change. And it cannot be solved with guns and tanks and planes. It can only be solved with diplomacy and allies and interaction with other countries. So in fact, what we are listening to right here is a discussion of 20 years of failed military action and how we should continue it and how we should continue spending $700 billion dollars a year on defense when we spend $70 billion dollars a year at the federal level on education.

    David Muir: (59:12)
    Mr. Steyer [crosstalk 00:17:13].

    Tom Steyer: (59:17)
    Letís talk about judgment here. [crosstalk 00:59:16].

    David Muir: (59:20)
    Mr. Vice President, Iíll give you 30 seconds to respond.

    Joe Biden: (59:22)
    Thatís not what I said, I was part of the reason putting that deal together with Iran. I was there. I was involved in that. I was also part of the deal putting together the Paris Climate Accord. I brought in the Chinese. I was part of that. Iíve been part of every major initiative weíve had relative to diplomacy. I have not argued for the placement of major numbers of US combat troops. I have said, along with the President of the United States, Barack Obama as his partner, I have said, we have to strengthen NATO to make it clear that we keep our commitments when we make them. Like we donít keep our commitments to the Kurds. We must keep our commitments when we make them. Otherwise, we have no power whatsoever.

    Joe Biden: (01:00:04)
    And itís not about making sure weíre policeman of the world. The only way not to become the policeman of the world is to have allies who will join us in dealing with failed States and terrorism. And it has to be done jointly by a whole lot of people and it doesnít require large number of US troops, and Iíve never said that.

    Tom Steyer: (01:00:21)
    Okay, can I respond to that, David?

    David Muir: (01:00:21)
    Senator Sanders, Senator Sanders, please.

    Tom Steyer: (01:00:23)
    Can I respond to [crosstalk 01:00:22].

    Bernie Sanders: (01:00:24)
    Let me say this if I might, like Joe and others, I also heard the arguments in terms of the war in Iraq from Bush, from Cheney, from John Bolton, from the whole administration. I listened very carefully and I concluded that they were lying through their teeth. And I not only voted against that war, but I help lead the opposition. And it saddens me so much. If you hear what I said, itís on YouTube, my fears about all the destabilization that would take place by the US invading Iraq. Itís sad to me that, that is what happened.

    Bernie Sanders: (01:01:04)
    But let me just pick up on a point that Tom made, which is absolutely right. Trump wants to build a wall around America. The problem is if we are going to deal with issues like climate change, not only do we in America have to take on the greed of the fossil fuel industry, we have to lead the entire world. This is not an American issue. Itís a global issue. We got to bring China and Russia and Brazil and Pakistan and India and every major country on earth into the fight against climate change.

    Bernie Sanders: (01:01:38)
    And here is my dream, maybe itís a radical dream, but maybe just may be given the crisis of climate change, the world can understand that instead of spending $1.8 trillion dollars a year collectively on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other, maybe we pool our resources and fight our common enemy, which is climate change.

    David Muir: (01:02:02)
    [crosstalk 00:20:02]. Senator Sanders, thank you. George, back to you.

    George S.: (01:02:06)
    We have much more today coming up, but we have got to take a break. Weíll be right back.


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    George S.: (04:24)
    Welcome back of Saint Anselm College here in New Hampshire and we are here every four years, thanks to our amazing Manchester partner WMUR. And now anchor Monica Hernandez and political director Adam Section are joining us with questions on the minds of New Hampshire voters.

    Monica Hernandez: (04:39)
    Thank you George. Itís an honor to be here in our community. We know Granite Staters are engaged and we know there are issues that strike especially close to home here. New Hampshire has one of the highest rates of deadly overdoses in the country. In some cases, police and paramedics tell us that they are saving the same lives again and again, sometimes more than once in a single day. Itís a healthcare issue, but itís also so much more. Mayor Buttigieg, you have described yourself as a moderate, but one of your policies at least goes further than some on the stage with you are willing to go. You have called for the decriminalization of all drugs. Does that include heroin, meth, and cocaine, some of the drugs that have contributed to this crisis?

    Pete Buttigieg: (05:19)
    No. What Iíve called for is that incarceration should no longer be the response to drug possession.

    Monica Hernandez: (05:34)
    With all due respect Mayor Buttigieg, on your website it says that you called for decriminalization of all drugs.

    Pete Buttigieg: (05:35)
    Again, what Iím calling for is that we end the use of incarceration as a response. This does not mean that it will be lawful to produce or distribute those kinds of harmful drugs, but also as we know from the opioid crisis, some of this has been driven by companies that were acting irresponsibly with substances that were lawful. Itís why in South Bend we sued those companies to hold them accountable. Weíve got to make sure that there is accountability for those who suppressed evidence about the addictiveness of those substances. Even while weíre also coming to recognize that these kinds of addiction are a medical issue, not a moral failure on the part of somebody battling that addiction.

    Pete Buttigieg: (06:17)
    Thatís why medication assisted treatment is so important. And those people who are being revived, and our own EMTs in my city had been so frustrated by the experience of reviving somebody, but then they have nowhere to go. Sometimes you get brought back with a dose of Narcan, but then your life depends on whether in the days that follow you make it until somebody can actually see you, because we have such a shortage of mental health and addiction providers in this country. We must act to change that and save lives when we do.

    Monica Hernandez: (06:47)
    I want to bring this question now to Mr. Yang. Youíve said you would decriminalize opioids, but youíve also said that you would require all overdose patients to go to mandatory treatment centers for three days. Right now in New Hampshire there arenít enough beds in treatment centers and across the country. How would you make sure treatment is available for all overdose patients and what would you do to fill the gap in the meantime?

    Andrew Yang: (07:13)
    Thatís what we have to change, Monica. Iíve heard heartbreaking stories from families here in New Hampshire that have been destroyed, torn apart by the opiod epidemic and you have to look at the companies that profited to the tune of tens of billions of dollars in profits of essentially blood money. As President, we will take back those profits and put them to work right here in New Hampshire so that if you are seeking treatment, you have resources to be able to pursue it.

    Andrew Yang: (07:37)
    This is not a money problem fundamentally this is a human problem, but money cannot be the obstacle. This is something that happened on the governmentís watch. The government allowed this opiod epidemic to spread throughout our communities and we have to do everything in our power to actually make sure that if you are seeking treatment, you know youíre not going to be sent to jail. We have safe injection and safe consumption sites for you.

    Andrew Yang: (08:00)
    If you have a family member whoís struggling, you can refer them and know that theyíre not going to have criminal penalties as a result. There are so much about this thatís endemic to whatís happened throughout the country in terms of companies running amok, this hyper corporate capitalism where if moneyís on one side in this country and people are on the other side, the money is winning. You can see it with the opiate epidemic. You can see it with the military industrial complex, the fossil fuel companies. This is what must change and thatís where Iíll lead as president.

    Monica Hernandez: (08:33)
    Senator Klobuchar, I want to take the question to you now. As a prosecutor, you embrace tough on crime policies, even with drug offenders. Youíve also spoken many times about your fatherís own addiction issues, his own alcoholism and his DUI arrests. If addiction is a disease, should people be arrested for it and as a prosecutor, do you regret sending people with substance abuse issues to jail?

    Amy Klobuchar: (08:56)
    I led one of the most successful drug courts in the country in Hennepin County, and I always would say and believed, and I think my record shows this, that we werenít a business. We didnít want to see repeat customers. And if you donít want to see repeat customers, the only answer is treatment. And maybe youíre referring to some of the people who were dealing big time in drugs. Yes, I felt that we should prosecute those people, but when it comes to, when you asked Mr. Yang a question, and I think it, we owe it to the people of New Hampshire, had one of the biggest addiction rates in the countries and death rates when it comes to opioids, to explain how we will pay for the treatment and the bed. Iíve been very clear about this.

    Amy Klobuchar: (09:40)
    Thereís going to be a major settlement coming through, a federal settlement against all these opioid manufacturers. The evidence is overwhelming, including an email where one guy, a business guy, says to the other, ďTheyíre eating them like Doritos. Just keep pumping them out.Ē We will get a conservative estimate, $40 billion in from that settlement, we can put a 2 cents per milligram tax on opiods that brings in another 40 billion. Then you can close a hedge fund loophole that brings in $18 billion. And just like every other policy Iíve proposed, and I think New Hampshire voters should care about this, I have showed how Iím going to pay for it. Because I think we have someone in the White House that has told over 15,000 lies. He makes all kinds of promises. The people of New Hampshire and the people of our country deserve better. I will get this done and it is personal for me.

    Adam Sexton: (10:32)
    Good evening candidates. New Hampshire is a battleground, not just for presidential contenders but also for top issues and that includes gun policy. Senator Sanders, for many voters in this Democratic primary, your allure is about consistency when it comes to progressive issues youíve been on the right side of them for a long time. One exception is gun rights. In the í90s when you were in Congress, you voted against background checks. You also voted against a waiting period for purchase of a firearm. Can you explain why you opposed these things that you now support?

    Bernie Sanders: (11:01)
    I can Adam, and let me also say that in 1988 I probably lost a race for Congress, and we only have one Congress person in the whole state, because in 1988 I said that we should ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons in this country. That was 30 years ago. Furthermore, I am very proud that today I have a D- voting record from the NRA. And under my administration it will be the American people doing gun policy, not dictated by the NRA.

    Bernie Sanders: (11:38)
    But to answer your question, I come, like New Hampshire, from a very, very rural state. In Vermont until the last two years ago, we had virtually no gun control legislation at all and I represented that perspective. The world has changed. In Vermont and in New Hampshire and all over this country, people are sickened by the mass shootings that we have seen and the gun violence that we have seen. The world has changed and my views have changed, and my view is right now we need universal background checks, we end the gun show loophole, we end the so called straw man provision. We make certain that we end the sale and distribution of assault weapons in this country, and we go further. We go further, but at the bottom line is I will not be intimidated by the NRA. Weíre going to run the gun policy that the American people want.

    Adam Sexton: (12:34)
    Vice President Biden, youíve taken a lot of heat in this primary, on these debate stages and from voters here in New Hampshire for your past positions. Youíve essentially asked them to look at the totality of your record and give you the benefit of the doubt. Does Senator Sanders deserve that same benefit of the doubt on guns?

    Joe Biden : (12:49)
    Hereís the deal. The biggest mistake that Bernie made, that Senator Sanders made, he voted to give the gun manufacturers, the only major industry in America, a loophole that does not allow them to be sued for the carnage they are creating. First thing Iíll do as President is work to get rid of that. Itís going to be hard. Think of all the thousands and thousands of people who died. And I might add Bernie, while you were representing your constituency, an awful lot of people [inaudible 00:13:18] your gun state and theyíve come around. In fact, all those folks in California, New York, Pennsylvania, theyíre getting killed by the thousands during the same period.

    Joe Biden : (13:27)
    I come from a state thatís a major gun owning stare. I introduced the first assault weapons ban. I in fact got it passed. Iím the only guy that beat the NRA twice. While I was pushing the Brady Background Bill to check background checks, Bernie voted five times against that when he was in the House. So look, the other thing is that we have to be held accountable for the things we did, Iím the guy that set up drug courts. I set them up. I wrote it into law and it never got funded. And also on opioids, Iím the guy whoís already begun to make a down payment. In the Cures Act I put in $1 billion to fight opioid addiction. And lastly, my time is going to be up, surely. Hereís the deal. Those Chief Executive Officer of drug companies, they should not only be fined, they should go to jail.

    Adam Sexton: (14:15)
    Senator Warren, weíd like to go over to you now. [inaudible 00:14:18] I want to ask you this question here though. Laws can do so much, if you could change one thing about Americaís gun culture, what would it be?

    Elizabeth Warren: (14:25)
    Look, we have a gun violence problem in America. It is about the mass shootings that we hear about in our schools and that frighten us, about it in theaters and in churches. Itís also though about shootings that occur on sidewalks and in playgrounds, often in communities of color that are hit hardest, but there are no headlines over those. Itís also about suicide and the increasing lethality of suicide because of the availability of guns. It is also about the increased chances that itís usually a woman will die of domestic violence if she is with a violent man and a gun is in the home.

    Elizabeth Warren: (15:07)
    We need to think of this problem not as one and done or three things and done. We need to think of it just like we did on auto safety. We just keep coming back. We treat it like the public health emergency that it is. But the question we should be asking ourselves is when America, across this country, including gun owners, agree in certain basic things, universal background checks, get assault weapons off the streets. Why can we not even get a vote in the United States Senate?

    Elizabeth Warren: (15:40)
    And the answer is 90%, think about this, more than 90% of Americans agree on this. We canít get a vote in the United States Senate because it is the gun industry that continues to call the shots. Until we attack the corruption in Washington, the influence of money on campaigns and lobbying, weíre not going to be able to meet our promises. And one more, until we agree that we are willing to roll back to filibuster, the gun industry is going to continue to have a veto and we will never make the changes we make. We have to be willing to build a future that works, not for a gun industry, but that works for the rest of America and protects our children.

    Joe Biden : (16:24)
    We ought to be able to sue the gun industry.

    David Muir: (16:25)
    Thank you, candidates. Weíre going to go back to David up there [inaudible 00:16:26]. Adam and Monica, thank you and thanks to WMUR tonight. I want to turn to the Supreme Court, the balance on the court and the issues before the court right now. President Trump in just the last 24 hours saying weíve appointed 191 federal judges, two Supreme Court Justices, keeping his campaign promise to shift the Court to the right with Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

    David Muir: (16:46)
    The Affordable Care Act is at the court. Climate change is working its way to the court, and a major abortion case is on the docket this year. Vice President Biden, on the issue of abortion, in 2012 you said, ďPresident Obamaís two Supreme Court picks of them, there was no litmus test. We picked people who had an open mind, did not come with an agenda.Ē And youíve said before, ďWe both believed that we should not apply narrow litmus tests to appointees to the Supreme Court.Ē Let me just ask, would you do it differently as President, Mr. Vice President? Would there be a litmus test on abortion?

    Joe Biden : (17:16)
    If you say the rest of what I said. I said that weíre going to not appoint anyone who did not have a view that unenumerated rights existed in the Constitution. Thatís not a specific test. Itís a generic test. And only way, the only reason women have the right to choose is because itís determined that thereís unenumerated rights coming from the Ninth Amendment in the Constitution. Thatís what I said. And I was part of the reason why Elena Kagan, who worked for me, we got onto the Supreme Court. I was part of the reason why Ruth Bader Ginsburg is on the Court. I was part of the reason why Sotomayer is on the Court and she will swear me in. I presided, and Iím the reason why this right wasnít taken away a long time ago because I almost single handedly made sure that Robert Bork did not get on the Court because he did not think there should be enumerated rights [inaudible 00:18:04].

    David Muir: (18:04)
    So let me just-

    Joe Biden : (18:05)
    Letís get that straight.

    David Muir: (18:05)
    Mr. Vice President, I am aware of what you said, which is why Iím asking would you do it differently now? Would there be a litmus test on abortion?

    Joe Biden : (18:12)
    Yes. Look, hereís the deal. Litmus test on abortion relates to the fundamental value of the Constitution. A woman does have a right to choose. I would in fact, if they rule it to be unconstitutional, I will send to the United States Congress and it will pass, I believe, a bill thatÖ Excuse me, legislates Roe V. Wade adjusted by Casey. Itís a womanís right to do that. Period. And if you call that a litmus test itís a litmus test, but what I was talking about in the past, so no one gets confused here, is if there is noÖ If you read the Constitution very, very narrowly and say there are no unenumerated rights. If the doesnít say it in the Constitution that doesnít exist, you cannot have any of the things I care about, any of the things I care about as a progressive member of the United States Congress at the time, and as Vice President and as a member of society.

    David Muir: (19:04)
    Mr. Vice president, thank you. Senator Warren.

    Elizabeth Warren: (19:06)
    Look, Iíve lived in an America in which abortion was illegal and rich women still got abortions and thatís what we have to remember about this. States are heading toward trying to ban abortion outright and the Supreme Court seems headed in exactly that direction as well. If we are going to protect the people of the United States of America and we are going to protect our rights to have dominion over our own bodies, then itís going to mean we canít simply rely on the courts. Three out of every four people in America believe right now that the rule of Roe versus Wade should be the law. That means we should be pushing for a Congressional solution as well. It is time to have a national law to protect the right of a womanís choice.

    David Muir: (19:57)
    Senator Warren, thank you. Senator Klobuchar, I do want to come to you. Should there be a litmus test? Itís an active hall here tonight. I did want to come to you on this question.

    Amy Klobuchar: (20:10)
    Thank you.

    David Muir: (20:10)
    Should there be a litmus test on abortion?

    Amy Klobuchar: (20:12)
    I would only appoint judges that would respect precedent and one of those key precedents is Roe v. Wade. In addition, you have got to put it into law. Donald Trump, and I think itís really important to take it to him here, when he was running for election, and this is a case I will make on the debate stage against him, he actually said that he wanted to put women in jail. He then dialed it back and said, ďNo, I want to put doctors in jail.Ē Is it a big surprise then weíre seeing states like Alabama start enacting laws that would criminalize doctors who perform abortions. Itís not. And that is why itís going to be really important when you look at the overwhelming public support for funding Planned Parenthood, for making sure women have access to contraception, to making sure that they have a right to choose, that we make this case strongly and loudly.

    David Muir: (21:06)
    Senator Klobuchar, thank you. Mayor Buttigieg, you have signaled that youíd be open to the idea of expanding the Court. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg suggested leaving the Court as it is, saying quote, ďNine seems to be a good number.Ē And in fact she said if the number of justices is increased quote, ďIt would make the Court appear partisan. It would be one side saying, ĎWhen weíre in power, weíre going to enlarge the number of judges to have more people who will vote the way we want them to.'Ē Is Justice Ginsburg wrong?

    Pete Buttigieg: (21:32)
    Well, if all we did was change the number of justices than I agree with her that that could be the consequence. What Iíve called for is not only reforming the number of justices on the bench, but structural reform so that some of the justices are not appointed through a partisan process. We cannot allow the Supreme Court to continue to become one more political battlefield as we are seeing today. And the time has come for us to think bigger, not just reforming the makeup of the court as America, by the way, has done several times in our history. But also remember that the founders gave us the power to amend the Constitution for a reason and we shouldnít be afraid to use it.

    Pete Buttigieg: (22:13)
    Itís not something you do lightly or quickly, but when it comes to something like Citizens United, which holds that corporations have the same political soul as people and that spending money to influence an election is the same thing as writing an op-ed to your local paper, we need a Constitutional amendment to clear that up and protect our democracy.

    David Muir: (22:33)
    Mayor Buttigieg, thank you. Vice President Biden, I do want to come to you on this. President Trump has said that the only reason Democrats want to expand the Court is they want to try and catch up. You have called any expansion of the court a bad idea, adding, ďWe will live to rue that day.Ē Do you agree with President Trump on-

    Joe Biden : (22:50)
    I agree with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Thatís who I agree with. And I agree the way you deal with Citizens United is pass a constitutional amendment I introduced 25 years ago saying that only public money can be spent in elections. Period. Not private money, not billionaires, not money from special interests. Period. Thatís the way to amend the Constitution to deal with that. In addition to that, if in factÖ Look, the Democrats stood up against the man Iíve revered, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, he wanted to expand the Court. But they were wise enough to understand that whoever then has the majority will have the ability to abuse it and it will lose its legitimacy and there are three equal branches of government. It says the President shell nominate, the Senate shall dispose, the Senate shall make that decision, not the president. He can nominate.

    Joe Biden : (23:37)
    Thatís why itís so important we must win back the United States Senate this time out. And thatís why as you all look at it up here in New Hampshire and around the world, excuse me, around the country, you have to ask yourself, who is most likely to help get a Senator elected in North Carolina, Georgia? Who can win Florida, Pennsylvania, Minnesota? Who can do that? Because you got to be able to win thoseÖ Well, you can. I agree. But hereís the point. Youíve got to be able to, youíve got to be able to not just win, youíve got to bring along a United States Senate or this becomes moot.

    David Muir: (24:16)
    Senator Sanders [crosstalk 00:24:17].

    Bernie Sanders: (24:18)
    Look, you asked the simple question, is there a litmus test for those of us up here? For me there is. I will never nominate any person to the Supreme Court or the federal courts in general who was not 100% pro Roe v. Wade. Number two, we have got a codify Roe v. Wade into legislation. Number three, we have to significantly expand funding for Planned Parenthood.

    David Muir: (24:52)
    Mr. Steyer, I want to bring you in on this because you have claimed that when it comes to the Supreme Court, you have said Republicans have been cheating.

    Tom Steyer: (24:59)
    Sure theyíve been cheating. Look, what we saw Mitch McConnell do, not just in the Supreme Court with Merrick Garland, but across the board with federal judges, was refuse to allow President Obamaís picks to be considered. Thatís why Mr. Trump has appointed so many federal judges, because in fact the Republicans refused to allow President Obama to get his due, and honestly, weíre sitting here talking about do you have a litmus test? We all have the litmus test. Everybody on this row feels exactly the same way about a womanís right to choose. Everybody on this row feels exactly the same way on gun control. Every single one in this row feels the same way.

    Tom Steyer: (25:38)
    Thereís something else going on. These Republicans are in control. Theyíre stacking the Court for a generation with young right-wing radicals, and weíve watched it happen and the question is what are we going to do about it? Thatís where we are in the United States, and the question isÖ Actually Joe Bidenís right. We have to go win a huge victory this year, and weíre in trouble. And so the question is going to be, look at these people, who can pull together the Democratic Party?

    Tom Steyer: (26:05)
    And let me say this, we have not said one word tonight about race. Not one word. Are you kidding me? We have the most diverse party. We have a very diverse country. We have a very diverse party. The heart and soul of this party is diversity, black people, Latinos, AAPI people, Native Americans and white people. But for goodness sakes, pull it together. Weíre talking about something different. The question we have is how are we getting that diverse group of people to the polls? What are we saying? Everybody on this stage feels the same way about a womanís right to choose and economic justice. The question is how do we beat Trump? How do we take down these Republicans? And the answer is weíve got to show we can take them down on growth, job creation, the economy. We send them packing and then we get all of this including beating the corporations.

    David Muir: (26:56)
    Mr Steyer, thank you. The night is still young. Many questions to come, and Linsey Davis is next.

    Linsey Davis: (27:01)
    I want to turn now to criminal justice. Mayor ButtigiegÖ

    David Muir: (27:03)
    Linsey Davis is next.

    Linsey Davis: (27:03)
    I want to turn now to criminal justice. Mayor Buttigieg, under your leadership as mayor, a black resident in South Bend, Indiana was four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than a white resident. Now, that racial disparity is higher than the rest of the state, in fact, itís higher than the rest of the nation, and that disparity increased in South Bend after you took office.

    Linsey Davis: (27:23)
    When talking about the problem on national terms, youíve called it ďevidence of systemic racism.Ē You were mayor for eight years, so werenít you, in effect, the head of the system, and how do explain that increase in black arrests under your leadership?

    Pete Buttigieg: (27:37)
    Well, the reality is, on my watch, drug arrests in South Bend were lower than the national average, and specifically to marijuana, lower than in Indiana. But there is no question that systemic racism has penetrated to every level of our system, and my city was not immune. I took a lot of heat for discussing systemic racism with my own police department, but weíve got to confront the fact that there is no escaping how this is part of all of our policies.

    Pete Buttigieg: (28:05)
    Earlier, we were talking about opioids, and thankfully, America has come to a better understanding about the fact that opioid addiction is best understood as a medical problem. But there were a lot of people, including a lot of African American activists in my community who have made the very good point, itís great that everybodyís so enlightened about drug policy now when it comes to opioids, but where were you when it came to marijuana, where were you when it came to the crack epidemic in the 1990s? That is one of the reasons why I am calling for us as a country to take up those reforms that end incarceration as a response to possession and make sure that we legalize marijuana and when we do it, do it retroactively with expungements to correct the harm done in so many cases of incarceration, disproportionately of black and brown Americans where the incarceration did far more harm than the offense it was intended to deal with.

    Linsey Davis: (29:00)
    Right, let me go back to the original question though. How do you explain the increase in black arrests in South Bend under your leadership for marijuana possession?

    Pete Buttigieg: (29:05)
    And again, the overall rate was lower than the national rate.

    Linsey Davis: (29:09)
    No, there was an increase. The year before you were in office, it was lower. Once you became in office in 2012, that number went up. In 2018, the last number year that we have record for, that number was still up.

    Pete Buttigieg: (29:22)
    And one of the strategies that our community adopted was to target, when there were cases where there was gun violence and gang violence, which was slaughtering so many in our community, burying teenagers, disproportionately black teenagers, we adopted a strategy that said that drug enforcement would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most violent group or gang connected to a murder.

    Pete Buttigieg: (29:49)
    These things are all connected, but thatís the point. So are all of the things that need to change in order for us to prevent violence and remove the effects of systemic racism, not just from criminal justice, but from our economy, from health, from housing, and from our democracy itself.

    Linsey Davis: (30:05)
    Senator Warren, is that a substantial answer from Mayor Buttigieg?

    Elizabeth Warren: (30:08)
    No. You have to own up to the fact, and itís important to own up to the facts about how race has totally permeated our criminal justice system. For the exact same crimes, study after study now shows that African Americans are more likely than whites to be detained, to be arrested, to be taken to trial, to be wrongfully convicted, and receive harsher sentences. We need to rework our criminal justice system, from the very front end on what we make illegal all the way through the system, and how we help people come back into the community.

    Elizabeth Warren: (30:50)
    But we cannot just say that criminal justice is the only time we want to talk about race specifically. We need to start having race-conscious laws. Housing, for example, I have a great housing plan to build more housing in America, but understand it was the policy of the United States of America to discriminate against African Americans and any other people of color for buying homes until 1965. You canít just repeal that and say ďOkay, now everything is even.Ē Itís not. We need race-conscious laws in education and employment, in entrepreneurship, to make this country a country of opportunity for everyone, no matter the color of their skin.

    Andrew Yang: (31:37)
    Elizabeth, with respect, you canít regulate away racism with a whole patchwork of laws that are race-specific. What we have to do is heed the writings of Martin Luther King, whose birthday we just celebrated. He said that capitalism forgets that life is social, and what he was championing was a guaranteed minimum income for all Americans of $1000 a month or more that would end up reshaping our economy in communities of color, make it so that black net work is not 10% of white net worth in this country, which is the most important number of them all. We canít regulate that away through any other means except by putting money directly into the hands of African Americans and Latinos and people of color to allow businesses to actually flourish and grow in those communities. The only way that will happen is if black and Latino consumers have buying power, and that is where we have to move as a country.

    Linsey Davis: (32:33)
    Senator Sanders, then Mr. Steyer.

    Tom Steyer: (32:36)
    Let me say this, I disagree. Andrew, no, let me say this. I disagree with you Andrew. I am the person on this stage who will say openly, Iím for reparations. Something wrong happened. I am for reparations to African Americans in this country, and anyone who things that racism is a thing of the past and not an ongoing problem is not dealing with reality. In fact, three days ago, one of the leaders of Joe Bidenís South Carolina campaign made racist remarks about someone associated with our campaign, and the Legislative Black Caucus went out en masse to stand up for that man and for our campaign. Joe, Iím asking you to come with me and the Legislative Black Caucus and disavow Dick Harpootlian and what he had to say. It was wrong, and Iím asking you to join us. Be on the right side.

    Joe Biden : (33:25)
    Iím asking you to join me and join in the support I have from the overwhelming number of the members of that Black Caucus. I have more support in South Carolina in the Black Caucus and the black community than anybody else. Double what you have, or anybody else here.

    Bernie Sanders: (33:36)
    I donít think thatís quite right.

    Tom Steyer: (33:37)
    But wait a second, wait a second. Bernie.

    Joe Biden : (33:39)
    Well, that is quite right.

    Tom Steyer: (33:40)
    Letís not argue about polls. Bernie, this isnít about polls.

    Linsey Davis: (33:43)
    Senator Sanders Ö

    Joe Biden : (33:43)
    This is not about polls. Iím not talking about polls.

    Bernie Sanders: (33:47)
    Let me just say, first of all, we have nine members of the Black Caucus in South Carolina supporting us, but more importantly, much of what Elizabeth said is absolutely correct. We have a racist society from top to bottom impacting healthcare, housing, criminal justice, education, you name it. And clearly this is an issue that must be dealt with. But in terms of criminal justice, what we have got to do is understand the system is broken, is racist. We invested our young people in jobs and education, not more jails and incarceration. We end the war on drugs, which has disproportionately impacted African Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans. We end private prisons and detention centers in America.

    Tom Steyer: (34:40)
    Bernie, I appreciate what youíre saying.

    Bernie Sanders: (34:42)
    And, excuse me, we also, most people donít know this. Tonight in America, 200,000 people are in jail without having been convicted of anything.

    Tom Steyer: (34:52)
    Thatís right.

    Bernie Sanders: (34:52)
    200,000 people, because they canít afford the $500 for bail they need to get out of jail. That is outrageous, weíre going to end cash bail in America.

    Tom Steyer: (35:03)
    Okay, let me say this. Iíve worked, Bernie, Iíve worked to end cash bail in California and itís gone. Iíve worked to end private prisons in California and theyíre gone. Iím somebody whoís, our family, my wife and I started a bank specifically to support businesses owned by women, black people, and Latinos, because they couldnít get financing anywhere else. But I, Joe, I want a answer. Really. I think you should come over and disavow the statements that this man made that were openly racist, that were wrong, and the Legislative Black Caucus is against. Iím asking you to join us and do the right thing.

    Joe Biden : (35:41)
    Iíve already spoken to Dick Harpootlian and he in fact is, I believe, sorry for what he said. But hereís the deal, folks. Weíve got to stop taking the black community for granted. Thatís the starting place. Every one of the things we talked about here, for example, in South Carolina, Jim Clyburn, he has a program, 10-15-30. We should be investing our money in those communities that havenít gotten help for a long time and give most of that help to those communities. Make it a priority. We should make sure that we have no one going to jail for a drug offense, they go directly, mandatory prison. I mean, excuse me, mandatory treatment, not prison. And we fund it. And we fund it, and three days doesnít get it. It takes at least 60 to 90 days to make any progress. We have to pay for that.

    Joe Biden : (36:34)
    Just like instead of building new prisons, we build new rehabilitation centers. We have to make sure that we have a window at the Treasury Department that allows entrepreneurs who are black and brown and minorities to be able to get loans to be able to start businesses. You know, if you own a house, I know you do know, if you own a house in an all black neighborhood, same exact house in all white neighborhood, exact same shape, the house valued in the black neighborhood would be valued as worth less, making it difficult for you to accumulate wealth, as my friend at the end of the line here says. So hereís the deal: we have to do much, much more. Thatís what got me involved in politics in the first place, redlining, to stop it.

    Joe Biden : (37:13)
    I got involved through the Civil Rights Movement, I became a public defender. Thatís why I got involved. Thereís so many things we have to do across the board, and in education, at-risk schools. We should triple the funding we have for at-risk schools to provide for three, four, and five years old to go to school, not daycare. Increase the salaries of teachers, encourage more blacks to get into teaching, especially black men, because studies show when thereís a black man in a school, it increases prospects significantly, and so on. Thereís a lot we can do, Iíve laid it all out as how to do, go to joebiden.com, youíll see the whole deal, including criminal justice reform.

    Linsey Davis: (37:49)
    Thank you Mr. Vice President. As you mentioned South Carolina, three weeks from tomorrow theyíll go to the polls to vote, black voters make up about 60% of the electorate there. Senator Sanders, several weeks ago, Nina Turner, one of your national co-chairs, published an op-ed piece that said Vice President Biden has ďrepeatedly betrayed black voters to side with Republican lawmakers and undermine our progress.Ē Senator Sanders, do you agree with her, one of your most visible surrogates, that Vice President Biden has repeatedly betrayed black voters?

    Bernie Sanders: (38:19)
    Well, I think what Senator Turner was talking about are some of the early actions of Vice President Biden, but no. Joe Biden is a friend of mine, and Iím not here to attack him. But what I would say is that what we need in terms of the African American community is to understand that we have got to start investing big time in education, in healthcare. There is no excuse why white families in America have 10 times more wealth than black families. No excuse that disproportionately, African Americans are in jail compared to whites. No excuse for black women dying in childbirth three times the rate that white women are doing as well.

    Linsey Davis: (39:06)
    Senator Klobuchar?

    Amy Klobuchar: (39:08)
    Yes.

    Linsey Davis: (39:09)
    You had raised your hand before.

    Amy Klobuchar: (39:10)
    Yes I did, because I think in addition to the economic argument weíre making here with the sad, sad stories of a woman walking into a maternity room in New Orleans and saying her hand are swollen and walking out without her baby, and 30% of African American kids being living in poverty, we know that there are economic solutions here, to invest in those communities, housing, childcare. But thereís something else insidious going on that we havenít addressed, and that is the systematic racism when it comes to voting. That is, moves across the country to limit peopleís right to vote, and that is why I have been leading on these bills to automatically register every kid to vote in this country when they turn 18. There is no reason that we canít do that across this country. To stop the gerrymandering by setting up independent commissions in every single state, and yes, to stop the voting purges.

    Amy Klobuchar: (40:08)
    Because what is going on right now in the words of one North Carolina court is that they are discriminating with surgical precision against African American voters, and we are not going to be able to get any of these things done if we donít give people the right to vote.

    Linsey Davis: (40:25)
    Vice President Biden and then Senator Warren.

    Joe Biden : (40:31)
    I beg your pardon?

    Linsey Davis: (40:31)
    I just wanted to give you a chance to respond.

    Joe Biden : (40:33)
    Yes, I agree completely. There should be registration, automatic registration, turning 18, you get a driverís license, whatever you do, you automatically are registered, number one. Number two, with regard to what weíre going to see in South Carolina, weíre all going to be there pretty soon. Weíll see whether or not it works. In response to the letter that the person, Iím not saying Bernie wrote the letter, but the senator who wrote the letter was very brisk and significant with other African Americans in South Carolina taking issue with her.

    Joe Biden : (41:02)
    But look, Amy is right, the senatorís correct. That is that we, in fact, there is systematic racism, and thatís why our Justice Department works so hard to go after those. You know, realize there are 35 states in the United States of America that have come up with a total of 78 laws to restrict voting just in the last five years to try to keep African Americans from voting, and brown as well, black and brown people from voting. And that will be an enormous priority in my administration as it was in ours. Itís just wrong, simply wrong.

    Elizabeth Warren: (41:41)
    Iím glad to stand on this stage with my fellow Democrats who talk about how important the black community is, at least at election time. Year after year after year, election after election after election, Democrats go to people in the black community and say ďBoy, we really care about these issues. Racism is terrible, we all want to do something,Ē and then somehow the problem just seems to keep getting worse. Well I think itís time we have real, concrete plans that are going to make a difference in peopleís lives. I proposed a two cent wealth tax. And let me tell you just one of the things we can do with a two cent wealth tax. We can cancel student loan debt for 43 million Americans, and because African Americans have to borrow more money to go to college, borrow more money while theyíre in college and have a harder time paying it back when they get out, that one law is going to help close the black-white wealth gap for people with student loans by about 20 points.

    Elizabeth Warren: (42:40)
    We arenít making a difference in America. Weíre saying to the rich folks ďYou keep your money, and the rest of us will talk about racism but not really do anything.Ē I think the time for that is over, Iím ready to get in this fight and really make a change.

    Joe Biden : (42:54)
    Okay, thank you.

    George S.: (42:57)
    Actually, letís keep this debate going. Go ahead, Mr. Steyer.

    Tom Steyer: (43:02)
    Out of narrative comes policy. And weíre talking about a lot of policies that affect Americans, broadly and disproportionately affect black Americans or brown Americans. But what I believe is we should set up a commission on race and deal with race explicitly. Because everyoneís saying we canít have rules that are different for different people, but in fact weíre here because we had rules that are different for different people. I would set up a formal commission on race on day one to retell the story of the last 400 years in America of systematic racism against African Americans, not just legal discrimination, injustice, and cruelty, but also the contribution that the African American community has made to America in building it and in leading the entire country from a moral standpoint for generations and centuries. Because I believe out of narrative comes policy. We need to repair damage thatís been done officially, and pretending weíre all the same is not accurate. We got here a certain way. Letís talk about Jim Crow, letís talk about Martin Luther King, letís talk about Barbara Lee, the congresswoman from Oakland whoís one of our great leaders, and then letís figure out how to repair the damage so we can move forward together.

    George S.: (44:24)
    Mr. Yang, take on that argument, also what he said about reparations.

    Andrew Yang: (44:31)
    The median African American household net work is projected to be zero by 2053. Things are not getting better for people of color. If anything, theyíre getting wore, because weíre in the process of eliminating the most common jobs in our economy. Itís something of an economic unnatural disaster, and who suffers most in a natural disaster? People of color, people with lower levels of capital and access to opportunity and education.

    Andrew Yang: (44:58)
    And while I know we love to champion education here as Democrats, only 33% of Americans are going attend college, lower percentage of African Americans. There is no way we can prevent this tsunami from wiping out African American net worth unless we put straight cash into their hands sometime between now and 2053, and itís not just them, it is truck drivers, it is retail clerks, it is call center workers, it is accountants, it is bookkeepers. We are in the midst of the greatest economic transformation in the history of our country, and itís going to hit black people the hardest. We have to stop nibbling at the edges and actually start solving the real problem.

    George S.: (45:39)
    Weíve been getting a lot of questions from Apple News in tonight, including many about a candidate whoís not on the stage tonight, but is in this race, and that is former Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York. And this question came in from Nashville, Tennessee, says ďBillionaire Michael Bloomberg has entered the race and just got the endorsement of a former Trump Navy Secretary. Why do you think you are better positioned than Bloomberg to beat Trump?Ē Senator Warren.

    Elizabeth Warren: (46:03)
    Look, I donít think anyone ought to be able to buy their way into a nomination or to be president of the United States. I donít think any billionaire ought to be able to do it, and I donít think people who suck up to billionaires in order to fund their campaigns out to do it. I heard everyone here talking about as Democrats, we all want to overturn Citizens United because we want to end this unlimited spending, yeah. Except everyone on this stage except Amy and me is either a billionaire or is receiving help from PACs that can do unlimited spending. So if you really want to live where you say, then put your money where your mouth is and say no to the PACs.

    Elizabeth Warren: (46:54)
    Look, I think the way we build a democracy going forward is not billionaires reaching in their own pockets or people sucking up to billionaires. The way we build it going forward is we have a grassroots movement funded from the grassroots up. Thatís the way Iím running this campaign. If you think itís the right way to run a campaign, to go elizabethwarren.com and pitch in $5, because understand this: our democracy hangs in the balance. If we have to fund through billionaires, then weíre just going to be an America thatís going to work better and better for billionaires and not for anyone else.

    George S.: (47:33)
    Senator Klobuchar, then Senator Sanders.

    Amy Klobuchar: (47:34)
    So I canít stand the big money in politics, and one of my major focuses is going to be on passing that constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. I didnít come from money, and I just simply think people donít look at the guy in the White House and say ďCan we get someone richer?Ē I donít think they think that. They want to have someone that they can understand. And you know my background. My grandpa was an iron ore miner, he worked 1500 feet underground in the mines his whole life. He couldnít even graduate from high school because he had to raise his nine brothers and sisters. My grandpa saved money in a coffee can to send my dad to a two year community college. That was my familyís trust, and you canít send, like Donald Trump got from his family, you canít fit $413 million in a coffee can.

    Amy Klobuchar: (48:26)
    My mom grew up and wanted to be a teacher in Wisconsin. She moved to Minnesota, she taught second grade until she was 70 years old. And no, I am not a billionaire, but I stand before you today as granddaughter of an iron ore miner, the daughter of a teacher and a newspaperman, the first woman elected to the US Senate from the state of Minnesota, someone who has passed over 100 bills as a lead Democrat in that gridlock in Washington, DC, and that is because we live in a country of shared dreams. And that means no matter where you come from, no matter where you come from, you should be able to make it. So please help me in my efforts at amyklobuchar.com.

    George S.: (49:05)
    Everybodyís getting the fundraising pitches out here.

    Amy Klobuchar: (49:06)
    This is a campaign of real people.

    George S.: (49:07)
    Right now, Senator Sanders, I am coming to you, but Mayor Bloomberg is-

    Bernie Sanders: (49:11)
    Letís talk about money, and letís talk about-

    George S.: (49:11)
    Ö Let me just put the question to you, because Mayor Bloomberg has taken on your argument-

    Bernie Sanders: (49:14)
    Ö Iíve got to answer before the question, itís more Ö

    George S.: (49:16)
    Ö he says we need evolution, not revolution.

    Bernie Sanders: (49:18)
    I couldnít hear that.

    George S.: (49:19)
    Mayor Bloomberg has said we need evolution, not revolution, taking you on directly.

    Bernie Sanders: (49:23)
    Well, itís a funny thing. There are millions of people who can desire to run for office, but I guess if youíre work $60 billion and you can spend several hundred million dollars on commercials, you have a slight advantage. That is nonsense. What we have got to do is have a nation in which we not only overturn Citizens United, we move to public funding of election.

    Bernie Sanders: (49:51)
    In terms of money in politics, our campaign, and I am enormously proud of this, unlike some of the folks up here, I donít have 40 billionaires, Pete, contributing to my campaign, coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from Wall Street, and all the big money interests. What we do have is we have now over six million contributions from one and a half million people averaging $18.50 a contribution. That is unprecedented in the history of American politics. If we want to change America, youíre not going to do it be electing candidates who are going out to rich peopleís homes begging for money. The way weíre going to do it is build a mass movement of working people who are prepared to stand up, not take money from these billionaires, not take money from Wall Street, but stand up to the drug companies and Wall Street. And if you want to be part of that political revolution, berniesanders.com.

    George S.: (51:03)
    Mayor Buttigieg, close this round out.

    Pete Buttigieg: (51:09)
    We are going into the fight of our lives. Donald Trump, according to news reports, and his allies raised $25 million today. We need to go into that fight with everything that weíve got. Now Iíve been very clear on both my record, where I have sued pharmaceutical companies, and what Iím campaigning for, that includes raising wages and raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. And as the only person on this stage who is not a millionaire or a billionaire, I know a thing or two about building a movement because mayor of South Bend, Indiana is not exactly an establishment fundraising powerhouse.

    Pete Buttigieg: (51:49)
    We are here without the involvement of any corporate PACs because hundreds of thousands of people went to, yes, peteforamerica.com, contributed to this campaign, and let me say something else. If we want to bring about any of the changes that everyone is talking about so elegantly up here, we need to put together the majority that can decisively defeat Donald Trump. And in order to do that, we need a politics that is defined not by who we reject, but how we bring everybody into the fold. And if you are low-income, or if youíre able to contribute a lot. If youíve always voted Democrat, or if youíre an Independent or even a Republican whoís just sick of looking your kids in the eye and trying to explain this White House, we need you to join us right now. I will not pursue politics by telling people they canít be at our side if theyíre not with us 100% of the time. This is a time for addition, not rejection, for belonging, not exclusion.

    David Muir: (52:49)
    Mayor Buttigieg, thank you. I want to turn to climate change and jobs here in America. President Trump just signed the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, many call it an updated NAFTA. But it odes include incentives to make cars here in North America and it does open Canadian markets for American dairy farmers. Senator Sanders, as we sit here in New Hampshire tonight, both New Hampshire senators Maggie Hassan and Senator Jeanne Shaheen supported this, calling it a real win for workers and for farmers. You voted no, because you said you believe it takes us back years on climate. Were the senators from New Hampshire wrong?

    Bernie Sanders: (53:26)
    Yes. I mean, itís a disagreement, but if you look at every environmental group in this country, including the Sunrise organization, weíre so proud to have their support, because we have introduced the most comprehensive climate change proposal I think ever authored by a presidential candidate. But they are saying, what the environmental groups are saying, weíre simply exporting fossil fuel emissions to Mexico. There is not one word in that trade agreement Ö

    Bernie Sanders: (54:03)
    There is not one word in that trade agreement that deals with climate change and I donít know how in 2020 you can do that. Second of all, there is, in terms of outsourcing of jobs, a major crisis in this country. Nobody believes that under this Trump trade agreement that they will not be continued and significant outsourcing of jobs into low wage Mexico, where workers are paid in some cases less than $2 an hour. So I think the right vote was the vote against that agreement. I donít apologize for that.

    George S.: (54:36)
    Senator Sanders, thank you. I do want to go to Senator Klobuchar. Youíve heard what Senator Sanders just said there. He said not one word on climate in the trade deal. So why did you vote yes?

    Amy Klobuchar: (54:44)
    Well, first of all, I want to defend the honor of the incredible two senators from New Hampshire, Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan, who work so hard for this state every day and I voted with them. Why did I vote with them? Because there were some major improvements in this trade agreement when it comes to labor inspections, when it comes to getting rid of a sweetheart pharma deal that was in place and when it comes to climate change, I think we have to have a North American trading block. We have to have Mexico and Canada and America working together and the best way to take on climate change as president, yes, Iíll work to make this a part of every future trade agreement, but the best way to take on climate change is by getting back into the international climate change agreement, which I will do on day one.

    Amy Klobuchar: (55:32)
    It is bringing back the clean power rules. It is bringing back the gas mileage standards and it is introducing sweeping legislation to put a price on carbon and you cannot divorce trade from that, and in future trade agreements, that should be part of our negotiations. But Iím telling you right now, having no trade agreement with Canada and Mexico puts us at such a disadvantage when it comes to dealing with China and pushing China to do better when it comes to climate change.

    George S.: (55:59)
    Senator Klobuchar, thank you. Senator Warren, you voted yes as well.

    Elizabeth Warren: (56:03)
    Yes I did, and Iíll tell you why, because there are a lot of farmers around this country that are really hurting because of Donald Trumpís trade policies. There are a lot of workers who are hurting because they canít get enforcement of any workersí rights. So this NAFTA provision, after a lot of negotiation with Democrats, Senator Sherrod Brown helped make it a whole lot better. This makes things somewhat better for workers and for farmers and when I see a law that makes things somewhat better for hardworking people in this country, Iím saying, Iíll sign up for that and then Iíll get up tomorrow morning and Iíll start working hard for a better trade deal on climate, a better trade deal that has a basic coherence to it. Everyone wants to get to the American market. We should be raising standards on climate around the world to get access to our market.

    George S.: (56:56)
    Mr. Steyer.

    Tom Steyer: (56:58)
    Yeah, I got to agree with Bernie Sanders, I do. Senator Warren is right. Everybody wants to get into our market, and thatís how we convince them that theyíve got to be right on climate too. That we have to stop making foreign policy decisions in the old way. Yeah, of course, we want to make things better for American workers, and itís absolutely critical that when we think about trade policy, weíre thinking about it from the point of view of the American people, not of the American corporations. Thatís a huge positive change. And I agree with the senators on that, but thereís something else going on here when we think about our foreign policy. We talked about whether it was right to kill General Soleimani, and there was no discussion in that about where that leaves the United States in the community of nations around the world.

    Tom Steyer: (57:55)
    So if we actually want to be the leaders of the world, the leaders of the free world who can actually negotiate a climate treaty around the world that sticks, that makes a difference, weíre going to have to put climate first, and when we think about doing the wrong thing, the way Mr. Trump did with General Soleimani, we have to ask, does that help us build a coalition of countries around the world to do the right thing? It absolutely does not.

    Tom Steyer: (58:21)
    Being all by ourselves, being the Empire in the Star Wars movie does not put us in a position to get done what we need to get done as the leader of the free world. So in fact, the USMCA is something, thatís the first step, but the second step is exactly what Bernie Sanders is saying. Use access to our market as a negotiating thing to make sure not only that we represent American workers, but that we represent the American people in the long run and we make sure that we get a safe climate deal.

    Amy Klobuchar: (58:50)
    One of the things about being in the arena is you have to make decisions all the time and these things arenít always exactly how you would do them. But in this case, if you want to criticize Trump for not ever having any friends, and I would agree, he always sides with tyrants over innocents. He always sides with dictators over allies, but I think youíve got to have some friends and those two countries, our neighbors, may not be perfect, but they are our friends, and we have a president that literally blames everyone in the world, and we have not talked about this enough.

    Amy Klobuchar: (59:21)
    He blames Barack Obama for everything that goes wrong. He blames his federal reserve chair that he appointed himself. He blames the King of Denmark, who does that? He blames the prime minister of Canada for, he claims, cutting him out of the Canadian version of Home Alone 2, who does that? Thatís what Donald Trump does. So my point here is that when we have opportunities to work with our allies, and New Hampshire is such a great example of this, New Hampshire, Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, with senators like Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassen, who believe we need to work with NATO and the rest of the world who sees it as a smaller state, but a state that is a piece of the world. We cannot be alone, and that trade agreement was not perfect, but the point of it is, if we start isolating ourselves from the rest of the world, we are going to hurt ourselves economically and we are going to hurt our nationís security.

    George S.: (01:00:17)
    All right. Senator Klobuchar, thanks very much. We have hit the two hour mark, we need to take a quick break and come back for the final question.

    Devin Dwyer: (01:02:40)
    Welcome back to Manchester, New Hampshire and the ABC News Democratic Debate. Thanks for joining us here on ABC News Live tonight. Iím Devin Dwyer, joined with our political correspondent, Rachel Scott. Rachel, we heard so much this last block about gun policy, abortion, climate change, and then the issue of race, pushed on by Tom Steyer and really a lot of the candidates confronting Joe Biden, a sign of where this campaign is headed.

    Rachel Scott: (01:03:05)
    Exactly, Devin. Steyer tonight calling out the lack of discussion when it comes to race on that stage, the conversation turning 90 minutes into this debate and Biden touting what the national polls reflect. His loyalty among African American voters. I have sat down with the vice president, he has told me itís one of the things that he is most proud of, his loyalty among black supporters, and if you want to just see how important black voters are to the democratic base, all you have to look at are the numbers from 2016, the exit polls from that primary, 6 out of 10 voters in Mississippi were black, 61% of voters in the South Carolina primary were black, and thatís where the candidates are going to be heading very soon ahead of that.

    Devin Dwyer: (01:03:41)
    And to Nevada as well with a lot of voters of color there and Joe Biden holding a lionís share of those voters. Weíll see if these candidates can chip away. You know, we were talking so many of the policies we heard about tonight, like so many of the previous debates, are familiar positions from these candidates, which is why the style of their performance tonight is going to get a lot of attention from voters.

    Rachel Scott: (01:04:02)
    It will, but you know, when I talk to voters as I travel the country, they tell me their number one concern is electability. They want someone that could be President Trump, they want someone that could carry this over the finish line and thatís why you hear so much of the session pitting back to who can do that on that stage today.

    Devin Dwyer: (01:04:18)
    I was up in Derry, New Hampshire just yesterday hearing not only a lot of attention on those qualities of style, but also a lot of anxiety over this issue of electability particularly now with Donald Trumpís polling numbers on the rise, his performance at the State of the Union and his acquittal in that Senate trial. Itís going to be a four day sprint, I know youíre going to be out there all weekend as I will as well and we were just talking about what this moment in this campaign will mean. We could see a dramatically smaller field after Tuesday night here in New Hampshire.

    Rachel Scott: (01:04:49)
    Tom Perez came out here and he said, listen, we are beginning a 90 day sprint. Most of the delegates are going to be grabbed up by the end of this 90 days and the candidates really have to hone in on their pitch here. The voting has started, already. Weíre moving into the New Hampshire primary and a lot of these candidates have a lot on the line here. They only have a few days left to gain momentum before that next vote is cast, and again, this race is getting tighter and tighter.

    Devin Dwyer: (01:05:13)
    And we know Donald Trump will be here in New Hampshire and Manchester as well, on Monday. So things are going to get a little even more exciting four days ahead of the New Hampshire primaries. We had back now for the final question in this ABC News Democratic Debate. Take a look at the speaking times of the candidates. Weíll leave you with that. Joe Biden, top of the list, all the candidates back at their podiums. Stay with us right here on ABC News Live.

    Announcer: (01:05:45)
    The democratic debate. Here now, George Stephanopoulos.

    George S.: (01:05:49)
    Welcome back to our debate, time now for a final question. Each of you will answer it in turn. Weíll start with Mr.Yang, and the question is this. According to the Childrenís Defense Fund, itís been more than 20 years since child poverty was directly addressed in a presidential debate. The year was 1999 the question was our friend and former [inaudible 01:06:13] who may be watching right now, the late Cokie Roberts.

    George S.: (01:06:19)
    Cokie loved the New Hampshire primary, and she asked the candidates in this Republican debate, how will we overcome the scandal of one quarter of American preschoolers living in poverty in the richest nation on earth? Today, nearly one in five American preschoolers are still living below the poverty line, even though weíve had 10 straight years of economic growth. What does that say to you about where America is today and what we need to do about it?

    Andrew Yang: (01:06:46)
    George, weíre in the midst of the most extreme winner take all economy in the history of our country, and unfortunately, that extremity is just going to reach unprecedented heights as technology is getting stronger, smarter, more capable all the time, and most of us are not. Most adults feel happy if we stayed about the same on any given day. So if we want to alleviate child poverty, we need to put money directly into the hands of families, particularly single parents, 40% of American children today are born to single moms, 90% of single parents are single moms and right now we have fallen into this trap where we have allowed the market to tell us what we are all worth.

    Andrew Yang: (01:07:29)
    What is the market value my wife, Evelyn had, or stay at home parents around the country? Zero. Caregivers taking care of ailing loved ones, like Kyle Christensen in Iowa? Zero. Volunteers and activists in our communities trying to do something positive? Zero. Coaches and mentors helping our kids? Zero. Most artists, sorry artists, but itís true. Zero. Increasingly local journalists, which is wiping out our ability to have a functioning democracy because you canít vote on something if you actually donít have any news coverage. The mission in this campaign has to be for us to disentangle economic value and human value, say they are not the same things and make this case to our fellow Americans. That we each have intrinsic value as citizens, as human beings and as owners and shareholders of the richest country in the history of the world.

    Pete Buttigieg: (01:08:27)
    The problem is, Americaís been counting the wrong things. Now we have a president who says the economy is fantastic because the Dow Jones is looking good. Iím sure if youíve got a building with your name on it close to Wall Street, then that really is the same thing as the economy to you. But the problem is, weíve had an economy grow and not be able to lift up those most in need, or even so many in the middle.

    Pete Buttigieg: (01:08:53)
    When Iím president, weíre going to measure the performance of our economy, not by the Dow Jones but by the income growth of the 90%, because a good economy is one where children are being lifted out of poverty. Just as we focused in South B on cutting the poverty rate, in particular, the black poverty rate and making sure families with children were participating in the growth that we did have. This is one more example of something where the American people want to see change. The American people, not just die hard Democrats, but so many Independents and some Republicans, think we need to prioritize economic equity and yet it still doesnít happen. That is why we need to recognize that the time has arrived for a different kind of politics. To turn the page, leave the politics of the past in the past and deliver a better future before it is too late.

    George S.: (01:09:47)
    Senator Warren.

    Elizabeth Warren: (01:09:52)
    So I started my grownup life as a special education teacher. I learned early on about the worth of every single human being, and I believe that the best investment we can make as a nation, the best investment we can make as human beings, is to invest in our children. Weíve had enough of making rhetoric around this. Everyone says they love the kids, but hereís the deal. Itís time to come up with real plans to make that happen. Iíve talked before about a two cent wealth tax, but the whole idea behind it is we can do early childhood education and good quality child care, universal pre-K for every three year old and four year old in America, and we can stop exploiting the people, largely black and brown women who do this work and raise the wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher in America.

    Elizabeth Warren: (01:10:53)
    We want to have a real future in this country, then invest in our children. Donít leave public education just to our localities in our states. Be a good federal partner. Put real money into our schools, put real money into housing, put real money into into healthcare. Put real money into the future of our children. Thatís how we build the America of our best values.

    George S.: (01:11:22)
    Mr. Vice President.

    Joe Biden : (01:11:26)
    I come from a family where our dad walked in one day and said, weíve got to move. Donít have a job. Weíve got to move to a different city. I watched my dad and I met many people here in this state and others, who go through the same thing where the fatherís made that longest walk or the motherís made that longest walk. I was listed for the entire time I was in the United States Congress as the poorest man in the United States Congress. My net worth was net zero a couple of times. The fact of the matter is that Iíve never focused on money for me and I was a single dad for five years. Itís not as hard as being a single mom and I had help from my sisters in the audience and others, but the fact is that I think we have to focus on what is at stake here.

    Joe Biden : (01:12:09)
    These arenít someone elseís children. Theyíre all our children. Theyíre the kite strings that lift our national ambitions, they really are. They lift our national ambitions aloft. We have an overwhelming interest, overwhelming interest in seeing to it they do well. You know, 24 out of every 100 students in school today, from grade school to high school, are Latino. What are we going to do? Walk away from that?

    Joe Biden : (01:12:33)
    Many of them come from homes that are poor, very poor. Thatís why I invest so much time and energy in preschool. Thatís why if I only have $1 to spend, I spend it equipping the child before they get into school in the early day, than after and we talk about all those kids out there that are going to be graduating. A great number of them, as Mr. Yang said, arenít going on to college, although I think we should help with college. Theyíre not going on to college. What theyíre going to do, theyíre going to be equipped to compete in the 21st century by training them for the new trades, the new opportunities, the new capabilities that are out there. We must focus on our children. Like I said, theyíre all our children, theyíre not somebody elseís kids. Everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, as my father would say, is entitled to be treated with dignity and respect and weíre not doing it.

    George S.: (01:13:20)
    Senator Sanders.

    Bernie Sanders: (01:13:21)
    Well, the answer to your question of why we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth, disproportionately high for the African American community, by the way, is the same reason that we give massive trillion dollar tax breaks to the rich and large corporations. Same reason that we give tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks to the fossil fuel industry, while half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck. The same reason that we have three people in America owning more wealth than the bottom half of America.

    Bernie Sanders: (01:13:59)
    The same reason that we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all people as a human right. Same reason as to why we are paying in some cases 10 times more than other countries for prescription drugs, and that reason is that our priorities are determined by the 1% and by wealthy campaign contributors. Our priorities are determined by those who want to see the rich get richer and are turning their backs on the working families of this country. What is unique about our campaign, is we say, unashamedly, we are raising our campaign contributions, not from billionaires but from working class people. That our campaign is about the working families of this country for the working class of this country and that is the administration that we will run. It is time to take on the big money interests. It is time to change our national priorities. Thank you.

    George S.: (01:15:02)
    Senator Klobuchar.

    Amy Klobuchar: (01:15:05)
    In Cokieís memory, let me answer this question. We may have lost an election in 2016, Democrats, but we did not lose hope. And there is a way, itís actually based on a National Academy of Science report and Iíve used that to put together a plan to reduce child poverty in half in 10 years and eradicate it in a generation. We can do it with investment in childcare. We can do it with investment in preschool and school and we can do it with tax credits and we can get it done. But to get it done, we have to be able to reach those voters that we lost in this state and across the country.

    Amy Klobuchar: (01:15:43)
    Thereís an old story of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and when he died, his body was put on a train and went up across America and there was a guy standing by those tracks along with so many Americans, and he had his hat on his chest and he was sobbing and a reporter said, Sir, did you know the president? And the guy says, no, I didnít know the president, but he knew me. He knew me. I will tell you this, there is a complete lack of empathy in this guy in the White House right now. I will bring that to you.

    Amy Klobuchar: (01:16:20)
    If you have trouble stretching your paycheck to pay for that rent. I know you and I will fight for you. If you have trouble deciding if youíre going to pay for your childcare or your longterm care, I know you and I will fight for you. If you have trouble figuring out if youíre going to fill your refrigerator or fill your prescription drug, I know you and I will fight for you. I do not have the biggest name up on this stage. I donít have the biggest bank account. Iím not a political newcomer with no record, but I have a record of fighting for people. Iím asking you to join us@amyklobuchar.com. Iím asking you to believe that someone who totally believes in America can win this because if you are tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me, Please, New Hampshire, I would love your vote and I would love the vote of America. Thank you.

    George S.: (01:17:17)
    Mr. Steyer.

    Tom Steyer: (01:17:24)
    The Republicans have a cruel plan and their plan is pretty simple. Itís to cut taxes on the richest Americans and the biggest corporations and then they pay for it by cutting education for kids, by cutting healthcare across the board, by allowing corporations to pollute as much as they want, and then they try and break unions and the organized labor movement. Itís very simple. Thatís what Mr. Trumpís plan is and itís true in every single red state, but we are not going to win by just criticizing Mr. Trump. I know that there is a better America out there and that America lives in our hearts and minds. And that America understands that when a kid succeeds in Columbia, South Carolina, that is a triumph for every American. And the same is true of a kid in Las Vegas, Nevada. Mr. Trump has no idea what prosperity looks like across this country. Itís not just that he does bad things. He doesnít understand that investing in education and healthcare and good union jobs is actually an investment in our common humanity and in growth in the future, mobility and justice. That is the America that lives in our hearts and minds that will beat Mr. Trump, because he will never be able to imagine it. So in fact, what we need to do is have a new conception, a new dream of America, dream it and make it happen. Imagine the mountain and then we climb it together. We are in perilous times. I am asking for your vote. Letís rise together.

    George S.: (01:19:09)
    Candidates. Thank you. Thanks for a great debate tonight. Thanks to our audience here at Saint Anselm College. Thanks for our partners, WMUR and Apple News and now Iíd like to send it to my colleague Martha Raddatz.

    Martha Raddatz: (01:19:23)
    Thanks very much George and good evening from high above the debate stage here in Manchester. After the sometimes fiery exchanges between the top seven democratic candidates, it was a profoundly important debate. The last big chance for the candidates to make their case before the first in the nation primary this Tuesday. We have a lot to discuss and we will be heading over to the spin room with my colleague Tom Llamas and our panel of ABC political contributors shortly, but first, here with me as we watch the candidates leave the stage.

    Martha Raddatz: (01:19:57)
    Elizabeth Warren leaving rather quickly there. Pete Buttigieg staying on stage, Joe Biden as well and Bernie Sanders, a big hug there between Pete Buttigieg and his husband Chasten, Bernie Sanders, his wife Jane, Cheston and Pete Buttigieg again. Bernie Sanders a long day that started this morning, Buttigieg going towards the audience there, shaking some hands. Joining me here on the stage up here, John Carl, our chief White House correspondent, Mary Bruce, our senior congressional correspondent, Joe Biden coming back over there to the audience as well, to meet his wife there, Dr. Jill Biden, a big hug, a very big night for Joe Biden. He had a lot to get through tonight. Also joining me is our senior White House correspondent, Cecilia Vega, and our Nightline co-anchorÖ



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