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    Against Accelerationism


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    Accelerationism is the idea that the best way to achieve White Nationalist goals is to accelerate the decline of the present system. This will supposedly have two effects. First, acceleration will weaken the system’s ability to maintain power, including to oppress dissenters. Second, acceleration will anger and awaken the white masses, making them more receptive to our message.

    Accelerationism is often associated with the maxim, “Worse is better.” As a categorical statement, “Worse is better” is just a contradiction in terms, like “Bad is good,” “Night is day,” and “Losing is winning.” But there is a qualified sense in which that maxim is true: What is worse for the present system is generally better for dissidents. We all know that the system is going in the wrong direction: demographically, culturally economically, and politically. The sooner these problems manifest themselves, the sooner dissidents can step forward with alternatives—and the sooner resistance to our plans will crumble.

    Furthermore, the present political system offers only two options: the Left, which wants to accelerate “progress” toward complete social breakdown, and the Right, which merely wants to slow the process down and perhaps put it on firmer economic and social foundations. Accelerationists thus conclude that it might be better to have the Left in power, so it destabilizes and hastens the end of the system.

    Then they talk about the frog. No, not Pepe. No, not the one with the scorpion. No, not the singing frog from the Warner Bros. cartoon. The frog in the pan of water. If you want to boil a frog, you have to do it slowly, so he doesn’t realize what is happening and jump out of the pan. By slowing down “progress,” the mainstream Right lulls the frogs into a false sense of security. But the Left, by accelerating the process, might cause the frogs to get antsy and jump out of the pan, etc. etc.

    But not everything that is bad for the establishment is good for dissidents. Wars, economic crashes, and natural disasters can affect dissidents as well as authorities. Declining trust in the government and media obviously helps dissidents. But an across-the-board decline in social trust would probably strengthen whoever holds power. When black rule came to South Africa and Rhodesia, the ongoing disasters did not galvanize white self-assertion but instead led to an almost complete collapse of white morale and resistance.

    Worse (for them) is not necessarily better (for us). Worse is sometimes just worse. So praying for bad news—or actively promoting bad outcomes—seems like a very foolish way to create a better world. In fact, it seems akin to suicide bombing: an act of a people reduced to hopelessness and desperation after a long train of defeats.

    So where does accelerationism come from? It begins as a psychological mechanism for coping with defeat. For instance, imagine you were convinced that it was vitally important for white Americans that Mitt Romney defeat Barack Obama in 2012. When Romney lost, you might have consoled yourself with the thought that maybe four more years of Obama wouldn’t be so bad after all, since he might accelerate the system’s decline and red pill more normies. It isn’t an unreasonable position.

    But there’s an important distinction here. There is a world of difference between (1) doing what one thinks is right, suffering defeat, and then hoping, in retrospect, that the bad consequences you tried to fight might hasten the eventual triumph of the true and the good—and (2) taking accelerationism as a first principle and actively promoting bad ideas and policies because you think they will hasten the triumph of the true and the good.

    For instance, accelerationism was the basis of Brenton Tarrant’s scheme to use terrorism to provoke state repression of freedom of speech, gun rights, and open white advocates—on the assumption that this would somehow spark a White Nationalist revolution—a revolution that would somehow be organized without the ability to communicate and somehow triumph without access to weapons. Yes, his plan really was that stupid. We do not win by losing our freedom of speech, our right to bear arms, or our right to organize and participate in political life. That’s how we lose.

    In 2008 and 2012, I argued that the election of Barack Obama would be better for White Nationalism than the election of John McCain and Mitt Romney. After all, McCain and Romney would have done nothing to halt non-white immigration and white demographic decline. Instead, they would have simply put white faces on an anti-white system and lulled the Right into complacency. They might have also made the anti-system function more efficiently. Obama, by contrast, put a non-white face on an anti-white system. He made white dispossession visible. Being a Leftist, he was also more likely to push too far, too fast and destabilize the system. I thought that McCain and Romney offered nothing to White Nationalists but that Obama would give us opportunities for progress. So I did not oppose him.

    You can call that accelerationism if you like. But, by the same token, I did not vote for Obama, because there’s a difference between hoping and knowing that good will come out of evil. I believe it is our duty to do good and fight evil. If the gods want to turn evil into good, that lies in their power, not ours. Moreover, I knew my individual vote would not have mattered anyway, so I would have felt foolish wasting my time voting. Beyond that, I would have still felt vaguely dirty casting even a meaningless vote for Obama.

    Furthermore, if Obama ran on the policies promoted by today’s Democrats—namely censoring White Nationalists, grabbing guns, and abolishing the borders—and McCain or Romney opposed those policies, I would have supported them enthusiastically.

    In 2016, I had a very different attitude toward the Republican nominee, because Donald Trump had broken with Republican orthodoxy on immigration, free trade, and foreign policy. He was defending immigration restriction, protectionism, and an America First foreign policy. These were our issues. It was a huge win for us when Trump simply created a debate about these ideas, because none of the other candidates would have done so, and we can win such debates. Also note that this was a win for us no matter what happened next—whether Trump won or lost the election, whether Trump succeeded or failed in implementing his policies. But of course, we wanted Trump to win the election and then triumph over the congress, the press, and the deep state to build the wall and put America first, because it would have been “our” victory. Not a complete victory, of course. But it would have been a significant step in the right direction.

    Thus I was very impatient with accelerationist talk in 2016. I actually heard people say that maybe we should support Hillary Clinton, you know, to accelerate things. At this point, it became clear to me that accelerationism had mutated from a coping mechanism into a toxic “strategy” that basically amounts to the axiom that “We win by losing.” It would have been perfectly understandable to advance such ideas if Trump had actually lost. But when our ideas were actually threatening to win out, it was the height of perversity to suggest that we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because we somehow win by losing.

    No, actually we lose by losing. When we lose, we can of course hope that somehow the gods or “history” will turn our defeats into conditions for future victories. But in the end, we can only win by winning.



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    Default Then what do we do -- if anything?

    Then what do we do -- if anything?


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    I have arrived at the personal decision this election year, for the first time in my middle aged life, to not vote in the presidential election.

    I have a bit of a luxury where this is concerned in that I live in a deeply red state that is, worst case scenario, 10-15 or more years out from being demographically threatened as far as presidential elections go. So I can sit this one out knowing that my voice is irrelevant, and that I make a stronger statement by NOT voting, and forcing the GOP to face the music if this election turns out to be tighter on my state than it was 4 years ago.

    Of course, these idiots will rationalize that it was Trump’s hardcore stance on immigration that caused his numbers to dwindle, rather than admitting it was the Middle East saber rattling and failing to live up to his other election promises.

    I have come to the conclusion that there are maybe 10 states in this country where voting matters at all. It would be nice if white people could make a concerted effort to move to these states and tip the balance back in our favor, but the states they might leave would invariably shift in favor of the left. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

    In general I do not encourage dissidents to not vote . . . . certainly if you live in a swing state, please do. If I lived in a swing state, I’m sure I would hold my nose and vote for Trump again. If for no other reason than to get the satisfaction of watching cat ladies howling.

    Side note . . . . This concept of “accelerationism” is happening no matter what. In fact, I’d argue that Trump has been a catalyst for white people waking up to demographic issues just as much, if not more, than Obama was or another liberal would be. I think we’ve reached the point where politics have become an “uncontrolled chain reaction“ similar to nuclear fission. Everything that happens adds fuel to the fire of the collapse of this empire.

    I wish I had an answer. I guess the only real answer is to sit it out, make our arguments, and hope that people are hearing us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOGling whigger ass-clown View Post
    Then what do we do -- if anything?


    https://www.counter-currents.com/202...omment-1551151
    http://christian-identity.net/forum/...0826#post20826
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...0826#post20826
    I have arrived at the personal decision this election year, for the first time in my middle aged life, to not vote in the presidential election.

    I have a bit of a luxury where this is concerned in that I live in a deeply red state that is, worst case scenario, 10-15 or more years out from being demographically threatened as far as presidential elections go. So I can sit this one out knowing that my voice is irrelevant, and that I make a stronger statement by NOT voting, and forcing the GOP to face the music if this election turns out to be tighter on my state than it was 4 years ago.

    Of course, these idiots will rationalize that it was Trump’s hardcore stance on immigration that caused his numbers to dwindle, rather than admitting it was the Middle East saber rattling and failing to live up to his other election promises.

    I have come to the conclusion that there are maybe 10 states in this country where voting matters at all. It would be nice if white people could make a concerted effort to move to these states and tip the balance back in our favor, but the states they might leave would invariably shift in favor of the left. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

    In general I do not encourage dissidents to not vote . . . . certainly if you live in a swing state, please do. If I lived in a swing state, I’m sure I would hold my nose and vote for Trump again. If for no other reason than to get the satisfaction of watching cat ladies howling.

    Side note . . . . This concept of “accelerationism” is happening no matter what. In fact, I’d argue that Trump has been a catalyst for white people waking up to demographic issues just as much, if not more, than Obama was or another liberal would be. I think we’ve reached the point where politics have become an “uncontrolled chain reaction“ similar to nuclear fission. Everything that happens adds fuel to the fire of the collapse of this empire.

    I wish I had an answer. I guess the only real answer is to sit it out, make our arguments, and hope that people are hearing us.

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    Couldn't have said it better myself. All you have to look forward to is red states getting redder and blue states getting bluer. There will be no moving to the middle and no reuniting the country. Every White person who doesn't hate their race has already left the Demonrat Party and become Trump Chumps instead. The only whiggers left in the Demonrat Party are the Commie college brats and the greasy, grimy old grannies, afraid of losing their Social Security checks. All the blue states are majority non-White. All the red states are majority White. What we've essentially got is a modern-day Fort Sumter. The shooting simply hasn't started yet.

    It's quite clear to me that Grinder Greggy simply wants ZOG to last forever, because he knows that ZOG and ONLY ZOG will protect his disease-infested little faggot ass. He knows all too well that, once the shit hits the fan, and the Matt Sheas of the world start taking over, it's Bye-Bye, Buttboys! and I'm not talking about any Broadway musicals, either. So that's all that's going on there.

    Nonetheless, however important our silly little thoughts and opinions about it may be to the Grinder Greggies and Marianne Williamses of the world, NOTHING WE THINK OR WANT OR FEEL REGARDING THE 2020 ELECTION IS GONNA MAKE ONE GODDAMNED BIT OF DIFFERENCE!!! Yes, if some gun-grabbing, anti-White Lefty-loon was to win in November, that would certainly hasten the race war, but there is *NOTHING* we can do, ---be it legal or illegal, violent or non-violent,---that will ever make that happen. The American people are gonna do what they're gonna do. And, unless Trump screws the pooch, royally, either with this Iran thing, or with the economy, or both, then what they're gonna do is re-elect Trump, ---probably in a landslide. Considering what a buffoon he is, however, we must remember that HOPE DOES SPRING ETERNAL. But it's Trump's election to lose, not ours.


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