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    Cockatoo Originally Posted at 08-12-2009, 05:51 PM
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...?p=787#post787

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    I last checked in briefly at Stormdrain about two months ago. Checked in today to see what's happening and I find that the "theology" section has been returned along with what they refer to as its "Christian Identity" subsection (it remains locked off to general viewing).

    I guess this abomination was put back up on 8/9 with this announcement post from some "sustaining member" called Chaplain Bill IKA Kludd:

    I am glad that Theology has been reopened and I want it to stay open, in that spirit it is my intention to report ANY guideline violators in the CI section to Lycia, even those who are CI and I will be visiting this section daily, the petty arguing that used to take place here is not going to happen again
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...23&postcount=1
    who also mentions in that thread:

    There were also a fair number of nutjobs that called themselves Christian. Two examples are a guy that prayed for God to kill all non Christians and another who said that after whites win the race war Christians are going to round up and kill all pagan whites and those are only 2 of dozens of examples. Personally, I am embarrassed by such behavior.
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...4&postcount=20
    and who apparently doesn't understand or care about the meaning of "Israel":

    We Are All God's Children
    I believe that all whites are God's chosen people, the true Israel and that when we argue with each other and are disrespectful to the beliefs of other WNs that we are doing the work of Satan and his offspring, the jews (hmmm, has he discussed this with the Downeys??) by helping create division among whites. I have always been fascinated by the development of different religions from a historical standpoint and respect the beliefs of white Pagans and only ask that they return that same level of respect for my beliefs. We do not have to agree on religion to be Brothers and Sisters, in fact we already hold that status as members of the Adamic race. We are all part of God's special creation and we need to understand that and show the proper respect to our fellow Aryans, regardless of their religious beliefs.
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...29&postcount=1
    Of course, the Downey's are back as well, with Kludd's first offering, "Christian Ear Piercing: The Door Of Opportunity". I don't know who is moderating that section, but assume it isn't the "missus" judging from the tone of her few entries so far.

    I suppose the return was to be expected as this hub of false teaching has too much potential value to the enemy. I guess the Downeys and their ilk are not departed from the scene after all.
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    Default You are back to do what? Re: We're back!!!

    You are back to do WHAT? Re: We're back!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Bill View Post

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...23#post7200223

    I am glad that Theology has been reopened and I want it to stay open, in that spirit it is my intention to report ANY guideline violators in the CI section to Lycia, even those who are CI and I will be visiting this section daily, the petty arguing that used to take place here is not going to happen again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Birder View Post

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...33#post7201633

    While this forum is again open to us, you all should know that admin does not support the Theology forum to allow religious discussion to public viewing. When you log out, you'll even see Sustaining Members with a "private" sign on it, but absolutely no sign that there is any religious discussion going on at all.

    I won't be hid in a dungeon. I am Christian Identity, proud of it, have not broken the rules to Stormfront and Christians continue to be treated as second class citizens on this secularist and atheist controlled board.

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    "Klaliff has chosen to move on and resigned as Theology forum leader. Her reasons are her own. It's a difficult job, keeping a forum like this civil, or at least not unacceptably unruly. Speaking for myself I would never put as much effort into it as Klaliff has seen fit to do. For her it was a labor of love, and for that, Klaliff deserves our gratitude and congratulations for a job well done."
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycia View Post
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...47#post7200547

    If you see that happening, please let me know. It's difficult for me to tell the difference on a computer screen with no tone of voice to go with the question. This is particularly true in areas such as CI that I am no expert on.

    I do want the Theology section to remain open and will appreciate all the help I can get.

    So I take it that Lycia is the moderator, and that the Downeys are no longer in power. Debbie Downey was notorious for banning every Dual-Seedliner under any pretext. Quite a few of us lurkers didn't dare post but rather watched over the years as unwary Dual-Seedliner man was banned under sundry pretexts by Debbie Downey and her quasi-male baal priest.

    So what are the new policies here? It doesn't make sense to bring this forum back merely in order to detect and ban us lurkers into thinking it is safe to post now that Debbie Downey is out of power -- or does it? Stormfront is regarded with wary suspicion by the Christian Identity community, both One-Seedline but especially us Dual-Seedliners for the bannings and censorship practiced with unholy glee and fear by the sanctimonious Sapphira and Annananus Downey duo. Yes, Debbie Downey is all sulllen for now at being deposed, but give her any power and StormFront will be back to being what it was for the CI community as it was for the past seven years -- a place where any White man who talked back to Debbie Downey was banned under any pretext without warning.

    I suppose what is needed is a sort of Bill of Rights, which while it will guarantee nothing really, does serve to tell us posters what we can get away with in posting. We also need to know that chain-of-command so we will know who we are dealing with, as opposed to being pounced upon and banned by the wicked witch of the Stormfront Theology section.

    Yes, the StormFront CI Theology section is back. Most of us in the CI community want to know if it is safe to get back into the pool or not.

    I've decided to risk being banned by bringing this matter into the open. I have another computer on a router and if banned, then I can sign up under a different username and go back to lurking and spying. The CI community will continue to hold Stormfront under suspicion nevertheless based upon what Don Black allowed the Downeys to do against White men who would not bend a knee to that wicked female of Baal. I am a scout who is daring to take fire so that many of us who didn't dare speak before can see the limits -- and there are limits -- on this subforum to free speech for Whites.

    I fail to see how it is possible for there to be any discussion of such a central issue as theology to the CI community without it generating rancour and heated debate, especially given the presence of two miscreants like the Downeys who would censor and ban that debate as they did in the past. Stormfront may well be better off to not even try something which it failed at the past seven years in doing, like establishing a CI theology section, and may well be best simply shutting this down again and this time leaving the Downeys to sample the reaction of the CI community that they did oppress while here. They simply don't have any place to go any more, and some of us resent that Don Black decided to reopen this forum and let them back in in any capacity whatsoever. Don Black simply seems to be letting criminals who were banished for six months this year back to commit the same crimes for which they did oppress the CI community under the name and authority of his forum. Under their banishment, these baal-priests were confined to their own web page, as they did not have wit or worth to establish their own CI forums, as has Pastor Visser and others. Frankly, most of us in the CI community, especially the Dual-Seedline Christian Identity community were extremely pleased that Don Black and Jack Boot shut down this cesspool playing at CI with sewage piranha infesting it. I don't think that any of us are too thrilled with it being back. In fact, we would just as soon Don Black shut it down so that those like me don't have to bother with spying on StormFront any more, letting it be the 'Walmart of Racialism' with a perpetual sale on beige bath towels for beige whiggers.

    What is going on? Why are you back? What do you hope to accomplish?

    All questions which now are asked and which need to be answered.

    This open question will be posted in due time to the which were set up because of the misconduct of the Downeys enabled and enhanced by Stormfront which many of us regard as a mere agents provacateur for the current ZOG/Babylon regime.
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    Well, Bravo Spermfront Refugee! Very well and thoroughly stated. Of course, we all know that Censorship-Central-of-White-Speech is not a place you should expect much of, but I certainly think it is great if any true CI believers take advantage of even a minimal window of time to post through some truth to that sewer. Of course we all know why the section is back - simply another anti-White Adamite tool for dissemination of lies. I expect it was shut down initially because the whole board is anti-Christ at its core and the CI section in particular probably because the arrogant attitude of the High Priestess and her lap dog were not restricted to the true Israelites and they spilled over to the powers-that-be there.

    I still cannot post to that section so I have again asked for such "permission". We shall see if they grant it or not.

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...sted=1#post839
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    Reply posted at Spermfront to the post by forrestgumpf/$permfront Refugee:

    Quote Originally Posted by phantomubermensch View Post

    Yes, forrestgumpf states the case quite thoroughly and succinctly in post #22 above.

    We anxiously await some clear, complete answers to the questions he raises.

    What is going on?
    Why are you back?
    What do you hope to accomplish?
    So what are the new policies here?
    It doesn't make sense to bring this forum back merely in order to detect and ban us lurkers into thinking it is safe to post now that Debbie Downey is out of power -- or does it?
    We also need to know that chain-of-command so we will know who we are dealing with, as opposed to being pounced upon and banned by the wicked witch of the Stormfront Theology section.
    This subforum has been used too long by the enemies of Yahweh to spread lies and pervert the Word while those in power moved rapidly and relentlessly to extinguish any glimmer of the light of truth that might rear its ugly head in this domain of the Baals.

    And one additional, critical question that must be added to the list above:

    Will the legitimate CI posters, like Pastor Visser, who have been banned by the Baals in the past, be allowed to return and post again?

    As I said, we are all awaiting clear, concise responses to these questions.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...8&postcount=23

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    Stormdrain "CI" section update. Below is a response from the mod, Lycia - she made this response after deleting the two posts listed above:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lycia View Post
    As I know little of CI Theology, I can't comment on single/dual seedline thought.

    What I will say is that there will be no further bashing of other members, regardless of past actions. Be happy that this forum was reopened at all and keep your discussions on philosophical points, not on individual personalities.

    As for Pastor Visser, he won't be back. His vitriolic attacks earned him a permanent ban from Theology.

    Now, if you want to discuss your dual seedline beliefs, feel free to start a new thread about it. No one will be banned or chastised for expressing their views in a civil manner. Anyone breaking the Guidelines for Posting will be removed.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...9&postcount=22
    Here's another response from what appears to be a Stormdrain/Downey "taught" devotee:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eyes Wide Open View Post
    Hello to all and thanks to Lycia for opening the door up for me.

    Probably the only thing that is hated more than Stormfront by some are the thoughts and beliefs of the CI people and this forum. Those that dislike Stormfront sure don't need to be in here in the CI forum or have access to it.
    I really like the signature from Pastor Bill:

    That's how I feel about this forum. If someone is not open to CI, then they are not going to be opened by this forum. Let's use this to educate ourselves and we can open people in the real world. That's what really counts....
    Thanks to all of those that have shared in the past, and I'm looking forward to continuing to learn in the future. As for me, I'm going to get along with everyone here.
    So it appears the answer is clear - little has changed, Stormdrain "CI" section will be the same old, same old except that High Priestess Downey is not currently a mod.

    It is ironic that the next comment is this one:

    Quote Originally Posted by c bird View Post
    What is dual seed-line? I have an inkling but am not sure.

    Is it the lineage from Cain? Aren't modern day "jews" Ashkenazi?

    I'm not trying to start any dissension here, I just want to know more about C.I.
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...sted=1#post841
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    Default The New $permFront CI Forum Protocols -- Return/Revenge of the Klunticummers

    The New $permFront CI Forum Protocols -- Return/Revenge of the Klunticummers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycia View Post
    As I know little of CI Theology, I can't comment on single/dual seedline thought.

    What I will say is that there will be no further bashing of other members, regardless of past actions. Be happy that this forum was reopened at all and keep your discussions on philosophical points, not on individual personalities.

    As for Pastor Visser, he won't be back. His vitriolic attacks earned him a permanent ban from Theology.

    Now, if you want to discuss your dual seedline beliefs, feel free to start a new thread about it. No one will be banned or chastised for expressing their views in a civil manner. Anyone breaking the Guidelines for Posting will be removed.
    Since you admittedly know little or nothing concerning CI Theology, I'd say that the only point of favor you have is that you are not the old moderator, who was an enemy of us Dual-Seedliners and would ban without mercy anyone who didn't pay Don Black money to post here.

    I do note that you deleted my previous post, along with another DSCI response concerning StormFront policies regarding why SF has reopened this Theology section, and the CI section in particular. This action by yourself has told myself and the other DSCI people watching -- and StormFront is important, not because of any intelligent or cutting-edge postings, but because newbies to the Movement come to SF and then foolishly assume that this particular subforum represents in any way Christian Identity as opposed to some female and her satellite self-anointed pastor who is a pariah amongst not only the Dual-Seedline but the One-Seedline communities as well for their previous misconduct.

    The Dual-Seedline Christian Identity (DSCI) community, and I suspect the One-Seedline community, especially Pastor Pete Peters, would prefer it if StormFront and Don Black would simply shut down this allegedly CI subforum altogether if the only change is a mere cosmetic change involving someone not knowing anything about CI 'moderating' this subforum but deleting and banning DSCI posters based upon their contempt and hatred of one of the most degenerate and vicious of their enemies pretending to be Christian Identity under guise of 'politeness.' The posts deleted by yourself were presented politely enough, but with firmness asking essentially is StormFront policy was really nothing more than re-presenting a false front in which the same people were merely removed from their figurehead positions which they abused to the detriment of the DSCI posters and the honest of the OSLers.

    So it seems that StormFront policy is that they are going to try again to present a satanized, jew-friendly bastardized pretense of Christian Identity in which the hated and despised old moderators are protected. This sort of thing doesn't work in Afghanistan with jewp/joop bayonets propping up their 'Mayor of Kabul' Kharzai, and I suspect that it will not work with Don Black propping up on StormFront censorship hiding behind color of amity the return of the Downeys.

    There was an intense campaign of spying upon this subforum until this CI section was removed. When it was removed by Jack Boot, the DSCI community thought that Don Black had wisely decided to end the enmity from the DSCI community and the need for spying. Now that this subforum is back with the despised and detested Downeys, the DSCI community and some of the OSLers will feel compelled to not only spy, but to comment upon what is going on again in this subsection. That this is not going to do StormFront any good can be ascertained by doing a Google search on the terms "Debbie Downey, Stormfront, CI."

    Stormfront faces the same problem that any other public forum, especially White Nationalist forums, face. If they take a controversial position or person then that position or person will be noted, quoted, and remarked upon in different venues and forums. Thus, like it or not, Stormfront will have a Richard Poplowski incident screamed upon by ZOG, and its Downey coronation ridiculed upon in the DSCI forums -- and the DSCI community does have numerous forums, many of them v-bulletin forums. Thus Stormfront faces competition and alternative voices which was not the case just a few years ago. Looking at the Google search brought up just a short time ago, Pastor Visser's forum contains criticism of the Downeys which no amount of censorship by Stormfront will be able to overcome.

    I fail to see why Pastor Visser isn't allowed to return upon the return of this forum. Actually, Pastor Visser has a real ministry and a real ordination dating from Pastors Wesley Swift, Richard Butler, Ray Redfearin, and Morris Gulett whereas the Downeys ordained themselves when Larry Blanchard run off to Tennessee a few years ago. Only a few of the OSLers recognize the Downeys, other than Stormfront. Visser's ridicule of the Downeys and of Stormfront has occurred on his own web pages and forums. Not being Visser or a spy of Visser, I cannot even say whether Visser wants back. Yet you dismissing this matter out of hand shows that Stormfront policy seems to have been divesting Stormfront of Movement and DSCI ridicule and detestation in April by ditching the Downeys and you seem to think that this detestation and ridicule will end by bringing back the Downeys as mere lapdogs whose bark is Stormfront's command. Oliver Cromwell brought in the jews because he didn't want to pay the jew banksters back for helping overthrow Charles I. Charles II valued jew money over kicking out those who had helped execute his father. But the CI community who knows the Downeys and their past history even before getting to use Stormfront as a means of oppressing the CI, especially the DSCI community will not be fooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by $permfront Refugee View Post
    The New $permFront CI Forum Protocols -- Return/Revenge of the Klunticums
    Lol, Refugee ... that was a QUICK removal of your post! The Baal enablers must be watching that section like hawks!

    Well, fortunately, Stormdrain is not the only forum around and the CI community that is genuine should quickly become aware of the state of things there.

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    When SF first reopened Theology I was enthusiastic and determined to make sure that the CI section would be a good educational resource but I see now it is a lost cause. Theology is filled with pagans and atheists who do nothing but bash Christianity. I have become disgusted with SF and have no interest in it anymore, especially since finding these forums, which I vist often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Bill View Post
    When SF first reopened Theology I was enthusiastic and determined to make sure that the CI section would be a good educational resource but I see now it is a lost cause. Theology is filled with pagans and atheists who do nothing but bash Christianity. I have become disgusted with SF and have no interest in it anymore, especially since finding these forums, which I vist often.
    Cool. I don't really participate in CI forum at Stormdrain, but check it periodically. If I see a newbie who is lost and asking questions I will contact them by PM to help direct them to "other CI resources" since openly publishing links to Visser and others is only likely to get you deleted or banned over there. That is about the only way some of them might even know that legitimate alternatives to Kludd n'Klunt even exist.

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    No Penalty For Kontempt of Kludd/Klailiff. . . . Kl*nt?

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    Posted for a little while at:
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    Quote Originally Posted by kludd View Post
    You're the sock puppet. Thank you Martin for exposing your filthy mind for all to see. Now the readers can judge for themselves how foul your fantasies go. By all means go to his link and read for yourselves the vile persona and chutzpa that pretends to be Christian. If that's your cup of tea, then ya'll can have a prion party in the woods killing thousands of innocent White people, thinking that will get their attention. You're sick and is the reason I spoke out to Bill's poor spiritual visions of grandeur. I pray he does not become twice the child of hell as yourself.

    Pastor Mark Downey
    Downey, for over seven years here on Stormfront you and your secondhand wife have censored and banned us Dual-Seedliners because of a fear that they were listening to Martin Lindstedt or John Knight or Willie Martin or Pastor Jeromy Visser or anyone else. The end result is that you banned scores of DSCI and probably people who were not even CI because you feared that they were 'contaminated' with knowing you and your wife's past misconduct.

    The end result is that you have created enemies of the Dual-Seedline Christian Identity community and to the point where pretty much everyone believes that which can be proven, namely that you and Klailiff are adulterers under YHWH's Law and the malicious hearsay about what happened after Klan meetings back in Washington State.

    Now all the fault for that lies at your door. For whatever reason you hate Dual-Seedline Christian Identity and those who believe in this dogma worse than jews. And so you have oppressed our DSCI people using the venue that yahoo gave you and Don Black. Where people resisted you, as at VNNF and Original Dissent, your wife ran off screetching about how it was so awful that White men allowed scheming sluts to be disparaged. I think the reason that you misbehave is because you are an incredibly weak whigger who is totally dominated by your wife and let her run wild like Ahab did with that evil baal-bitch Jezebel -- which happens to be the nickname given to your wife.

    So you think I'm Martin Lindstedt? Good. I hope that you and your secondhand wife can't venture anywhere online for fear of Lindstedt landshark, of Visserpottamus, of Brittonraptor. As am exceedingly wicked and evil spawn of Satan, let you flee where no one pursueth, but where all listen -- and laugh.

    Everywhere you did succeed in banning the DSCI people the end result has been a ghetto and a desert run in which none lived other than a jew like Niemela, a fed mamzerizer, you and your secondhand wife -- and a swarm of DSCI spies lurking and listening and sucking up every single idle word, every single idiotic cackle gloating about how you had silenced your DSL enemies, every single sanctimonious swallow about how you just had to censor/ban every angry response because it violated your self-made, self-jewdged Terms of Service. The jews at yahoo and google had nothing on you, Downey, as sanctimonious hypocrites.

    But the other side of that coin is the reservoir of hatred you created with every single DSCI person you and your Jezebel wife banned. If, as you hypothesize, this is a Martin Lindstedt sockpuppet chewing on your lying butt, using just one of many proxy accounts available from all the DSCI you censored, or, with access to an aol changing-IP account, then what are you going to do about it? Censor 667 sockpuppet accounts hoping that your enemies will run out of accounts to forward Pastor Lindstedt's words? And to what end? Forcing Don Black to essentially ban everyone you have made an enemy of?

    Just as there was no way that you could secure who listened in on a yahoogroup, there is no way you can secure Stormfront from criticism of your past behavior. The only way to do this would be to simply shut down this forum to any new accounts being read whatsoever, which would mean negation of the entire reason you whined to have this forum reopened in the first place -- to fool newbies to the Movement that you and your evil wife are Christian Identity as opposed to evildoers probably affiliated with ZOG trying your best to hinder and obstruct the newbies from following the White Man's Racial Religion of Dual-Seedline Christian Identity.

    There is no way to secure from criticism any open forum. None. You can ban and censor anyone you please as dissent surfaces and all that means is that those banned will spy and report to your enemies and your enemies will have a field day on their forums and continue the whispering campaign and occassionally forward a hostile post to Stormfront, giving it the reputation of protecting ZOG spies and baal-priests. Stormfront's zenith has long passed, but how does Stormfront benefit by having you make it more enemies within the Movement protecting you from just criticism?

    Do you really think that Thom Robb and Don Black needs to be hated because they let you run wild under their aegis? Rather, won't they simply decide to cut their losses and either cut you loose or let you face criticism?

    Let this matter continue for a few days more or until Don Black decides either to let you run wild or simply to cut his losses in legitimacy among the Heart of the Resistance -- the Dual-Seedline Christian Identity fanatical believers in their Racial Religion -- and cut you fake-OSLer baal-priests loose.

    Don Black cut you lying feebs loose earlier this year. I think that you were given a last chance and I'm pleased to see that you are back to your old tricks but without power to do anything about it. Back in the old days, this account -- sockpuppet if you please -- would have been banned by your wife first thing right off. It hasn't happened yet, has it?

    What do you think will happen once there is no penalty for Kontempt of Kludd . . . . Klailiff. . . . Kl*nt?

    Don't look good, does it?

    By the way, if you are going to quote someone, then civility demands that you post a link to the entire post so it can be in context. But civility is something used by jews to punish Whites when they violate their little jew-made laws when they have no intention of applying it to their own jew selves.

    If you want to convene a courts-martial concering your past behavior to get to the truth of the matter, Pastors Visser and Lindstedt will gladly open up a special forum for your special education on their forums, I'm sure.

    Your sins have found you out, Downey. Your time is nearly up.

    No such thing as 'innocent whiggers.' Not in Moses' time, wherein they all over the age of 20 died in the Wilderness of Sin. Not in David's time where they died for the sins of Saul. Not in Christ's day, wherein Christ wanted most of them all to die in ignorance (Matt 13:10-17). And not today, on the verge of the Great Tribulation.
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