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  • #46
    I've always hated Tubby ever since he fought with my dead jew on a dick.

    I've always hated Tubby ever since he fought with my dead jew on a dick.


    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/for...=3986#post3986
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...ted=1#post4442


    Originally posted by Hunter Wallace View Post
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/for...=3051#post3051

    07-08-2010, 12:30 AM

    What is so bad about him?

    I enjoy listening to his weekly podcast. Covington has the best radio show in the White Nationalist movement.

    I mean ... aside from his OKC libel against Will Williams and sockpuppetry ... why do so many people hate this guy?

    You've had a year or so to ponder your question now. Have you figured out the answer yet?

    If not, this will help you: http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/



    Did you know, Cunterre, that while us red niggers didn't invent drunkenness -- merely improved on it -- we did invent syphilis???

    Us solipsistic anglo-mestizos would morph into a jew or a nigger if that meant that we could get rid of Christianity!!!

    Cosmotology -- Nature's Eternal way of straightening and lightening up kinky black hair!!!

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    • #47
      An Intro Bowel Movement Classifuckation of the ZOGling-digenes


      http://www.whitenationalist.org/foru...=4450#post4450


      Originally posted by Hunter Wallace View Post
      Will,

      I'm 30 years old.

      Harold didn't appear on my radar screen until last year when a few of my friends began to listen to his radio show and promote his books. Your history with this guy goes back to the days when I was in high school.

      But anyway, you and Robert were right about Harold, and more people are able to see that now.
      Several months ago I made 'Facebook Friends' with April Gaede. I asked her if she actually was throwing in with WhiggerSwill Welas/Williams and Hadding the Loveless Mattoid Metrosechshul Meercat/Scott Spiedel and she said "Fuck WhiggerSwill, Fuck Hadding, Fuck Covington." April Gaede is the Great Whigger Drama Quean of the Northwest and she has no love or liking for any competitors. I should have saved those two messages because since I didn't express much love or sympathy for the Great Drama Quean, I got unfriended on Facebook. Oh well.

      So April, WhiggerSwill, Hadding, you, Harold, even to some extent me, and pretty much everyone in this little bowel Movement of ours, our Crisco Nostra, each have out own little petty Movement fief-dumbs and followers, and sides, and organs and shit in which we promote our own certain plans in which we function as laws unto us-selfs.

      Hadding was with Triple R -- Roid-Rage-Retard -- Jim Giles, who has dissolved his playing in the bowel Movement. Hadding went on to play somewhat with Jeromy Visser -- the Red Nigger Pisser-Possum with Niglet Nieces -- and Obagenderbendering-pissers-poofter-possum, LiarBill 'MumpsNuts' DeClueless, Bryan Reo/SwordBrethren over at Pissers Pussy Parlor and Two & a Half Mamzers. Hadding was bitching about me supporting Covington and how I want a Great Tribulation to flush down a 130 million whiggers and all of the jew muds and cruds, leaving only 10 million Whites left to be ruled by my Ten Thousand Warlords with no jewnity other than Dual-Seedline Christian Identity theology. I pointed out that all Covington wanted was 1,000 warlords acting in concert in three and a half NorthWest ex-states cut out of ZOG and pointed out that Covington's plan takes nothing from my plan.

      Hadding and WhiggerSwill cuntinue to whine over at phorafags/feebs about how awful Covington is without me getting in any licks because I am permabanned on the Belgian sephardic jew EuroZOG datamining site. In fact, Hadding had one of my sock-puppets banned over on phorafags/feebs for making fun of Hadding's lies.

      Now there are two main religious beliefs within this bowel Movement of ours. One is CreaTardivity, founded by the self-hating jew Benny Klassen and aimed at anglo-mestizo mamzers to worsesheep theysselfs. Their CreaTarded Bob Millar equivalent, Dr. William Pierce, was an egghead with $400,000 in Order ZOGbux to create a sort of Elohim City for the under bred mamzer and faggot offal which ZOG wanted to keep an eye on. And so you had WhiggerSwill, Kevin Alfred Strom, Hadding, et. al. swarmed there on their own CreaTard/Turd Reservation for mamzeroid red niggers and faggots. Pierce croaked off and the reservation was taken back and so we have these critters trying hard to re-write the history of the late eighties and nineties when there were Order ZOGbux. Alex Linder, the 666-ZOGbux-Bionic-Ass-Clown and TraitorGlenn Miller are also ASSociated with these critters as well.

      The other, of Christian Identity, Dual-Seedline Christian Identity, under the late Pastor Richard Butler supplanting Pastor Wesley Swift's Church of Jesus Christ Christian's family men with 'ex'-criminals lead to Pastor Butler's theological line dying with him and probably about a million or so underground followers in scattered small family congregations. However in the few years, covered by my The Movement Turd, above-ground Dual-Seedline Christian Identity is now nothing but 'Wikipedia Talksjew CI' full of Chicago sephardic jews like Eli James versus Ashkenazi Jersey City murderous jewboy piglice Rabbi Bill Finck-el-sheenie versus the whigger criminal ZOGbots MoGuletts&Mullets. Each faction has 'wandering mamzers' drifting to and fro trying to claim Butler's mantle.

      Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 10-01-2011, 03:57 PM.

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      • #48
        April Gaede on Covington and his Followers

        April Gaede on Covington and his Followers

        According to April Gaede, while Harold Covington has a long and continuing history of impugning the character of others based on false accusations, he completely overlooks the most blatant character-flaws in his own supporters.


        I hoped that just trying to promote the NW migration would be enough common interest to get HAC to stick to the issues and actually get something productive done. But I have come to learn that no matter what the situation he will always resort to lies and attacks on fellow WNs, and he is quick to overlook major character flaws in some of his followers just to be able to continue to use them, no matter what the risk that creates for the rest of us. [April Gaede, VNN Forum, 6 June 2011]

        The only problem we have had in Kalispell is with Harold Covington's Northwest Front followers, Colonel House, his rotten raving drunken webmaster, Axis Sally the former torture porn queen, and the sweet little chain smoking thieving couple from Georgia who have a half black child and a retard they left behind. Harold is so jealous he cant contain himself so he keeps writing this trash about us because we are successful and he is not. [April Gaede, VNN Forum, 20 September 2011]


        A year ago I doubted that Harold Covington could have even as many as three followers. It turns out now that he has more than three, but the quality of them is such as one would expect when the prerequisite for following is to be comfortable with malicious mendacity.


        http://noncounterproductive.blogspot...n-and-his.html
        http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...41#post1043941
        http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4451#post4451

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        • #49
          Them whiggers all say, "April Who?" when asked why they moved up here.

          Them whiggers all say, "April Who?" when asked why they moved up here.


          http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t645277-8/#post9631403
          http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4528#post4528


          Originally posted by WhiggerSwill
          http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t645277-8/#post9630776

          I understand you want your PLE to be distinguished from Covington's scam, and why, but you must acknowledge that when a newbie visits Stormfront and reads this thread promoting HAC's "Come Home to the Northwest" stuff, he might become confused and see the following "Come Home to the Northwest" stuff as one and the same, or at least compatible, with HAC's:
          I too have a big issue with Covingtons videos and thus Covingtons group being promoted here on Stormfront, in the Advance Scout section, which I tend to feel is somewhat my home territory. I'm going to run Tubby out of this Northwest shit, and then this Chuck Baldwin too. There's not enough room for two big swinging dicks in the Great NorthWest even when you have a stretched-out gaping twat bigger than the Grand Canyon.

          Harold has allowed posts to stay on his blog which were posted by his drunken webmaster Colonel House,and which are purposeful lies, to discredit our PLE here in Kalispell. I'm gonna bitch about how Tubby runs his blog while I get to censor posts on $permFront, WhiggerNewsNow, and VNNF/TGMNNF/GFRTCNNF. What is mine is mine. What is some other tards might be mine if I only screetch loud enough.

          Also it should be noted that his webmaster was the only one besides myself to know the location of the Irving event before the day of the event. I told him, hoping that he would attend and we could still work together. Besides, David Irving wanted to have an audience as opposed to just me, muh meercat, and them two little no-talent potential mudsharks that have bitten the tit-tays that fed them as whelps. They get their lack of loyalty from me. He informed the SPLC and they tried to get the event shut down. Fortunately the manager in charge of the location chose to honor the contract due to the fact that we are such a peaceful group. Well, at least when we are not fighting amongst ourselfs.

          The post on the blog begins with the lie that the NW Front is supplying the security for the event.

          "NF associates will be able to purchase tickets at the door after being added to the security list by calling (406) 250-6851. Security for this event provided by NF Montana."
          David Irving In Kalispell « Northwest Front

          They even went so far as to contact Irving and lie to him that they were doing the security. When I contacted Harold to ask him what that was all about he told me to " talk to Dan" ( Colonel House). When I confronted CH about it, he told me he did it to " F*ck with me".

          Then he posted this under the name Meadhbh O'Connell:

          http://northwestfront.org/2011/04/da...omment-page-1/

          "I heard that you refused security protection by NF Montana, still protesting the “NVA attack video”. A witness contacted me with a report that you used Florida American Front skinheads as security, who tumbled drunkenly from a van and immediately began bickering and fighting, resulting in the stabbing of one of the skinheads. Can you comment on this?"
          This of course was not true, there was no security, no skinheads, and no stabbing, if this had happened wouldnt it have been in the papers?

          When I try to respond to this my posts are deleted and my address blocked so that I cannot set this lie straight.

          Because of this and the recent false allegations made by Covington, I have to wonder why his followers, would be allowed to promote his site here on Stormfront. Censor him! Censor him! My menstrual blood be on Tubby and all of Tubby's fuktards!!!

          We have myself, Will Williams, Hadding, Matt Hale, Metzger, and multiple other people pointing out that he is a liar and fraud. Between the 5 of the 666 of us, that should be enough credibility to get the right thing done.

          Why are you allowing promotion of a group/site that is purposely trying to defame and destroy one of your own PLEs???? Why would you do that it makes no sense. Now why would ridiculing me destroy five or six tards pretending to be White Nationalists? Most everyone who has ever heard of me doesn't want to admit it. They all say, "April Who?" when asked why they moved up here.

          April

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          • #50
            April is such a twatted tard.

            April is such a twatted tard


            http://northwestfront.org/2011/04/da...#comment-18577
            http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4529#post4529


            Meadhbh O'Connell/Colonel House:

            Poor April, she’s finally come unglued. Deferring to the implied authority of known jew-tools like Will Williams, Hadding Scott, Don Black, and Hunter Wallace is the very last straw. Google “April Gaede” and see what comes up. Nearly 200 links to comments from WNs she has robbed, cheated, betrayed, or otherwise screwed (sometimes literally). I was advised some time ago to simply ignore April Gaede and respect the discommodation that was her due for her behavior.

            Now she drags up a 5 month old post to further impugn the NF on Stormfront. She somehow believes that no one would save her emails or her old comment posts or her text messages that prove the exact opposite of what she posted. She is obviously living a non-reality-based existence at the end of a keyboard. The ONE SINGLE THING that she has done with PLE Kalispell (which is now all of six people) is plant flowers along a walking path that she frequents. (BTW, April, those plants are dead now).

            I'm Little Butt I'm Loud!!!

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            • #51
              Tom Metzger on Harold Covington's Personal Attacks

              Tom Metzger on Harold Covington's Personal Attacks


              During 2010 Tom Metzger appeared on Jim Giles' Radio Free Mississippi podcast, on which occasion Giles asked Metzger his views of some prominent White racialists. When Giles asked about Harold Covington, the following was said (Click to listen):

              Giles: I am just looking at the ADL list, and one other person that comes to mind that's not on the list is Harold Covington.

              Metzger: Oh boy. That's like putting a cross up in front of a vampire to me. There's only person I think I really hate in this struggle, and it's Harold Covington.

              Giles: That's interesting. Why is that?

              Metzger: Well, because he took it beyond politics during the trial and after the trial [in which Will Williams successfully sued Harold Covington for libel].

              He got personal. He started putting things out about me, and I don't really understand why it ever got started. He said I was a drunk, and I did all this stuff, and everybody knew it wasn't true. He said when my wife was dying, I had left her in a welfare ward in the hospital. It was all lies, and he was putting out all these lies.

              I think the reason for it is, I supported Ben Klassen of the COTC. Ben and I had a stormy relationship, but I respected him highly. And Covington hated him, and he even started rumors about him killing a skinhead and all this kind of stuff, which was totally untrue. But because I supported Klassen, I think that's the reason he went after me, and he put out some terrible things.

              Politically you can attack me and I can say, "Oh well," because other guys attack me and I don't get all bent out of shape. [...] But he attacked my wife, and that I was a drunk, and all this kind of stuff: that's going beyond the line.



              http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4572#post4572
              http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...88#post1048888

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              • #52
                April Gaede on Covington and his Followers


                April Gaede on Covington and his Followers

                According to April Gaede, while Harold Covington has a long and continuing history of impugning the character of others based on false accusations, he completely overlooks the most blatant character-flaws in his own supporters.


                I hoped that just trying to promote the NW migration would be enough common interest to get HAC to stick to the issues and actually get something productive done. But I have come to learn that no matter what the situation he will always resort to lies and attacks on fellow WNs, and he is quick to overlook major character flaws in some of his followers just to be able to continue to use them, no matter what the risk that creates for the rest of us. [April Gaede, VNN Forum, 6 June 2011]

                The only problem we have had in Kalispell is with Harold Covington's Northwest Front followers, Colonel House, his rotten raving drunken webmaster, Axis Sally the former torture porn queen, and the sweet little chain smoking thieving couple from Georgia who have a half black child and a retard they left behind. Harold is so jealous he cant contain himself so he keeps writing this trash about us because we are successful and he is not. [April Gaede, VNN Forum, 20 September 2011]


                A year ago I doubted that Harold Covington could have even as many as three followers. It turns out now that he has more than three, but the quality of them is such as one would expect when the prerequisite for following is to be comfortable with malicious mendacity, like myself and that other ZOGbot WhiggerSwill. But now that I'm known as a loveless faggot meercat mattoid who is perpetually on the rag, I'm reduced to begging for censorship, whining when people get tired of my shit, and licking April Gaede's nasty flaccid ol' snatch, even though she openly despises me.

                I sure wish I was able to suck my own dick now that I don't have any friends.



                http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4578#post4578
                http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...41#post1043941
                Last edited by Librarian; 10-18-2011, 11:27 PM.

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                • #53
                  I'll run whining like a mamzer-kike pussy demanding censorship of anyone and everyone who won't kiss my anglo-mestizo ass.

                  I'll run whining like a mamzer-kike pussy demanding censorship of anyone and everyone who won't kiss my anglo-mestizo ass.


                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-5/#post9751338
                  http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4808#post4808


                  Originally posted by DumbAssBurning

                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-4/#post9744230

                  Doesn't seem you know what you guys even are ideologically, let alone have an "excellent show" representing the "White Voice". You can't represent anything if you are not quite sure what exactly it is that you represent as shown in this little thread already. Too much misdirected testosterone, imo.

                  Maybe grow up a little Ideologically and then go after such a venture.

                  Dres. . .
                  Originally posted by Tenniel

                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-4/#post9747822

                  The interviews -- ALL of them -- were excellent -- INCLUDING, by the way, the Covington interview. I listened to it again. I was impressed by Covington's understanding and ideas and conviction -- and I don't impress that easily. (They should definitely NOT delete it.) And I've already pointed to Jared Taylor's interview as his most revealing to date.

                  The very fact that the hosts are young is another plus -- and makes this show significant. We MUST bring this generation on board -- or it will be the last generation.

                  As for misdirection, it doesn't matter. They'll muddle through. They'll get some things wrong -- because they're young and, necessarily, not fully knowledgeable -- but they'll get things right their elders don't -- because they're young and know how today's young think.

                  As for waiting until they determine a solid philosophy or plan...

                  No. There isn't time. They should just continue putting one young White foot in front of another. It's important.

                  The Creator angle gives the show an edge and interestingness. I don't consider it primary.
                  Originally posted by Tenniel"
                  [url
                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-4/#post9747822[/url]

                  I was impressed by Covington's understanding and ideas and conviction -- and I don't impress that easily...
                  Yeah you do. And muh ZOGbot mangina is bleeding all over this result. How dare you think for yourself and support anyone who supports Tubby???!!! I think Ah's gonna menstruate right now!!!

                  Originally posted by Tenniel"
                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-4/#post9748117

                  n fact, I'd like to hear another interview with Covington. Let's get his side of the story. There are usually two sides to every squabble...In any case, we need to get beyond these intra-White-racial squabbles. Bury all the old hatchets...
                  My "squabble" is called Williams v. Covington and was adjudicated in 1998 in a North Carolina court of law. It's a libel suit and he lost, thanks to ZOG wanting to hide the fact that "Fearless Leader" William Pierce was a ZOG agent provocateur thanks to getting $400,000 on Order bank-robbery money. I got a bogus default jewdgment against Tubby Covington. He owes me $200,000+ now and has been in hiding for 13 years to avoid execution of my judgment. He had his best chance to tell his side of the story back then but couldn't because he is a professional smear artist and political saboteur against us ZOG false-front organizations and asstivists.

                  Read on this loveless mattoid meercunt's pathetic blog what Dr. Pierce wrote about your Mr. Covington and the type of person who is impressed by Covington's intrigues:

                  http://noncounterproductive.blogspot...william-l.html
                  "Before he began writing to Alliance members, Covington spent most of his waking hours during the previous two years harassing a racially oriented organization headquartered at the time in North Carolina, the Church of the Creator, led by Ben Klassen. He wrote hundreds of letters, some ten pages or more in length, to members of that group asserting that Klassen was a Jew, a homosexual, a pederast, and a murderer."

                  You bury your hatchet, Tenniel. I'll hang on to mine and run whining like a mamzer-kike pussy demanding censorship of anyone and everyone who won't kiss my anglo-mestizo ass, thank you.




                  Did you know, Cunterre, that while us red niggers didn't invent drunkenness -- merely improved on it -- we did invent syphilis???

                  Us solipsistic anglo-mestizos would morph into a jew or a nigger if that meant that we could get rid of Christianity!!!

                  Cosmotology -- Nature's Eternal way of straightening and lightening up kinky black hair!!!

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                  • #54
                    What do I need to say in order to get this goofy bastard offn' my ass?

                    What do I need to say in order to get this goofy bastard offn' my ass?


                    http://www.whitenationalist.org/foru...=4819#post4819
                    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-5/#post9751570


                    Originally posted by WhiggerSwill View Post
                    I'll run whining like a mamzer-kike pussy demanding censorship of anyone and everyone who won't kiss my anglo-mestizo ass.


                    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t842177-5/#post9751338
                    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4808#post4808

                    Yeah you do. And muh ZOGbot mangina is bleeding all over this result. How dare you think for yourself and support anyone who supports Tubby???!!! I think Ah's gonna menstruate right now!!!

                    My "squabble" is called Williams v. Covington and was adjudicated in 1998 in a North Carolina court of law. It's a libel suit and he lost, thanks to ZOG wanting to hide the fact that "Fearless Leader" William Pierce was a ZOG agent provocateur thanks to getting $400,000 on Order bank-robbery money. I got a bogus default jewdgment against Tubby Covington. He owes me $200,000+ now and has been in hiding for 13 years to avoid execution of my judgment.[/SIZE] [SIZE="3"]He had his best chance to tell his side of the story back then but couldn't because he is a professional smear artist and political saboteur against us ZOG false-front organizations and asstivists.

                    Read on this loveless mattoid meercunt's pathetic blog what Dr. Pierce wrote about your Mr. Covington and the type of person who is impressed by Covington's intrigues:

                    http://noncounterproductive.blogspot...william-l.html
                    "Before he began writing to Alliance members, Covington spent most of his waking hours during the previous two years harassing a racially oriented organization headquartered at the time in North Carolina, the Church of the Creator, led by Ben Klassen. He wrote hundreds of letters, some ten pages or more in length, to members of that group asserting that Klassen was a Jew, a homosexual, a pederast, and a murderer."

                    You bury your hatchet, Tenniel. I'll hang on to mine and run whining like a mamzer-kike pussy demanding censorship of anyone and everyone who won't kiss my anglo-mestizo ass, thank you.
                    .


                    Tenniel:

                    Thanks for the info on Covington, Will. This isn't a squabble -- it's a war. Vastly larger and worse than I realized. Sorry to hear it.

                    What I knew of Covington until this thread was/is based on Joe's interview of him in "The White Voice" and, two days ago, my listening to two of Covington's radio podcasts. I was impressed by what is immediately impressive about Covington: his intelligence, articulateness, his understanding of the White situation, his NW Front idea and website, his having written ten(!!!) WN novels (none of which I've read at this point). Anyway, as far as it goes, all that is impressive as hell to any reasonable WN. It's not as if you or Pierce or Klassen have done much of anything lately for White People.

                    Then, thanks mostly to you, Will, I gradually learn about apparent squabbles with other leading WN's -- and now I learn what you've just told me in your latest post -- the details of what he said about Klassen -- in short that this thing is huge and apparently irreparable. I'm very disturbed by Covington's attacks on William Pierce (who is, in my opinion, one of the two or three most significant White leaders in the last 50 years). Of course you will cum-cum on back whining like a pussy over this shit WhiggerSwill.

                    All this is disappointing, to say the least. I really liked his NW Front/NW Migration idea. Oh well. We continue on.


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                    • #55
                      ]I'd like to thank you jewboy data-mining tards for censoring Lindstedt

                      I'd like to thank you phorafag/feeb jewboy data-mining tards for censoring Lindstedt


                      http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...04#post1063004
                      http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4892#post4892


                      From way back on page #2 of this thread, before the disruptors and Covingtonistas were reined in or banned, "john Reitney" aka Pastor Mad Dog Lindstadt, had this to say to Hadding and yours truly:
                      ---

                      "[R]ather than pre-emptively do some censorship here on behalf of you few remaining National Alliance cultists, what say you idiots either take criticism here or you go form your own little sandbox where you can ban everyone who likes Tubby...?

                      "Since you [Hadding] got banned over at Linder's lox-werks for lying about Edgar Steele [Not! Linder actually wrote, "Hadding does not lie."], who has done far more for the Movement than you two tards ever have, I suggest that it would be better if you simply 'moved along.' [See recent post above for what Mr. Steele really thought of your hopeless liar and smear artist]."

                      "Covington...never stops closing trying to get a sale for the audience to move to Idaho or Montana and join April Gaede...[see recent post above for what Ms. Gaede really thinks of your hopeless liar and smear artist Tubby].

                      "So if every single White Nationalist forum has kicked both of you out, maybe they have a good reason for doing so. If you two were to run off and form your own little Tard Corral, I'm sure that you won't be missed. [See link in my signature for that, thanks. Also see Hadding's Setting the Record Straight as companion blog to this Urban Legends thread:http://www.noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/ .]"
                      ---

                      BTW, thanks again to the Phora mods for helping Mr. "Reitney", and other Covingtonistas/sockpuppets who attempted to queer this thread early on, to "move along." :thanks:



                      Did you know, Cunterre, that while us red niggers didn't invent drunkenness -- merely improved on it -- we did invent syphilis???

                      Us solipsistic anglo-mestizos would morph into a jew or a nigger if that meant that we could get rid of Christianity!!!

                      Cosmotology -- Nature's Eternal way of straightening and lightening up kinky black hair!!!

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                      • #56
                        Our Weapon: The Truth

                        Our Weapon: The Truth

                        December 2, 2011
                        Hadding Scott



                        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-55770
                        http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...49#post1061449
                        http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4898#post4898


                        Some of our people seem to regard honesty as an impediment. More than that, they think it is clever, having ascertained the crooked practices of some of our racial adversaries, to do as they do. This is a wrong attitude.

                        The tactics that have been used by our enemies will not always work for us. This is, in the first place, because what our enemies have been doing is not what we are trying to do. Tactics that will work for corrupting and weakening a people are often not applicable for the opposite purpose. In the second place, we and our supporters are not like our enemies. We are a different kind of people with a different character. While Jews and Blacks and other non-White groups will put group-solidarity ahead of truth, the best of our people will only support a spokesman if he tells the truth. Finally, we can only have a significant impact with our small voice if what we say carries weight. We have to cultivate credibility; otherwise there will be no reason to trust what we say over and against the all-pervasive propaganda of the anti-White mass-media.

                        Counter-Propaganda

                        There are two different phases of the truth that we have to tell. The most fundamental truth for us will consist in debunking the system’s propaganda, to the extent that we can do this convincingly based on credible sources.

                        Modern propaganda as defined by Jacques Ellul is the systematic immersion of the public in a particular way of looking at the world. Modern propaganda can only be conducted by a state or quasi-state controlling mass-media and educational systems.

                        Immersion is necessary because strong and uniform belief can only be maintained (in a large, population) in the absence of contradiction. This is a great vulnerability for the system. It means that effective counter-propaganda is much less expensive than the propaganda that it disrupts. There is great power in that one small child who says that the emperor has no clothes.

                        The most obvious form of counter-propaganda is media criticism. Historical revisionism is another form of counter-propaganda. Actions such as public marches can also be effective, at a more basic level, insofar as they shatter the illusion of unanimity and set an example of nonconformity.

                        Ellul mentions that winning people over is not always the immediate goal of (counter) propaganda; often the goal is simply to soften the pre-existing convictions. As blatantly false and unpleasant in application as the doctrine of racial equality has been, if we can simply punch holes in the wall of fear about questioning it, we will have made an effective counter-propaganda, because perception and cognition will gradually accomplish the rest. The fact that somebody expresses a forbidden thought, and forces the system and the public to tolerate it, is already a victory that puts the system into a defensive posture.

                        The major effect of counter-propaganda will not be a swarm of recruits wishing to sign a dotted line and pay dues to a racial organization. Do not be discouraged when this fails to occur. Rather, take note of a more subtle and widespread effect, the increased willingness of the public that has been exposed to your position to regard it as worthy of discussion, or at least tolerable. The technique is to repeat the message in a civil manner until it no longer alarms anybody. This can be accomplished on a university campus, on a talk-radio station (if the approach be gentle and cautious), and elsewhere. In this way you can broaden the range of acceptable discourse so that others too will begin to say some of what they really think. Hence the desperate effort of our enemies to shut down AmRen conferences and vilify Pat Buchanan for appearing on James Edwards’ radio show. They know that small leaks can become a deluge.

                        Counter-propaganda is the form of truth-telling whereby we will encounter the greatest acceptance, because the majority of White people have not been in favor of what has been happening to our societies, and because counter-propaganda is not an attempt to generate belief, but to dispel a demonstrably false belief that causes discomfort.

                        Whom should we be trying to reach?

                        Getting more people to be comfortable with saying what they really think on racial matters is only the barest beginning. What most of our people really think is usually either too moderate or too unreasoned to solve our problems. In fact, you could say that what most of our people have in regard to racial matters are not really thoughts at all, but mere attitudes. What we need is a revolution in the thinking of our people, a revolution in which oft-repeated cant is smashed with well-grounded truth.

                        Reliance on the truth as our weapon dictates the kinds of people that we can reach. While no project can fare well long-term if it defies the truth, it remains the case that not everybody is equally committed to the truth. Not everybody is even equally equipped to recognize what truth is. We have to reach the people who are capable of being convinced through reason and presentation of facts.

                        We cannot win over the masses. Most people are more impressed with how often and from how many sources they hear a claim than with whether or not it makes sense—and that’s a problem because we do not own the mass media. Nor can we win the support of those calculating people who make their major decisions based on narrow self-interest rather than with an eye toward what is right, because we do not have vast quantities of money with which to tempt them.

                        Indeed, such people are not reliable even when they seem to have been won over, because the next gust of wind from big media will blow them in the other direction and make them forget whatever they said today. Consequently it is a terrible waste, when our cause has very limited resources, to aim specifically for mass appeal.

                        There is a very great advantage in not trying to win over the broad masses directly. It means that one may state the entire truth instead of tailoring one’s statements in accord with what our enemies have conditioned the general public to accept. By choosing not to dance around various taboos, one retains the ability to make sense, which is crucial for appealing to thinkers, and for bringing them to the necessary radical conclusions.

                        We have to speak to the deeper souls, the people driven by idealism. These are people with a conscience and a disdain for falsehood, people who have an inner voice that objects to following the crowd when the crowd is demonstrably wrong.

                        Counter-propaganda should be directed especially toward the people most capable of skepticism, toward thinking people and toward those whose experience tells them that they have been ill-served by the establishment and its propaganda, or people (like farmers and truckers, Robert Mathews’ favorite demographic when he was still strictly legal) who spend much of their lives away from social pressures, or whose daily lives provide experiences that contradict equality propaganda as a matter of course (like veterinarians and police).

                        Truth has to be paramount. The most significant figure in the American racialist cause since World War II —William Luther Pierce — was largely, perhaps primarily, motivated by indignation at the lies all around him.

                        Bearers of a New Worldview

                        Acceptance will be more difficult when we go beyond refuting attacks on White pride and identity, to the explanation of why these attacks occur and who does them, and even more when we affirm a new way of looking at the world based on the recognition of biological group-interests. Acquiring our worldview presupposes not only conscience but a fair amount of ability to reason. It is easy enough to demonstrate unfair treatment of White people by the mass media and the government and various institutions, and to debunk the anti-White messages that these institutions promulgate. But to adopt a new worldview, abandoning the traditional conservative assumptions that have allowed our situation to degenerate, requires some real independence of thought. While counter-propaganda will appeal to a significant portion of the general White audience, a smaller number will be open to the new worldview that we present.

                        Our cause is thus destined to have an inner and an outer circle, generally agreeing from the gut on earthly goals, because we are of the same blood, but using different metaphysical scaffoldings to make sense of this shared racial instinct. This not at all to say that the doctrine of the inner circle should be a secret: it should be candidly admitted, just as scientists state findings.

                        That inner circle has to be utterly convinced that what it represents is correct, with no reliance on anything dubious, and no attempts at deception, so far as the message itself is concerned. This clarity will facilitate unanimity within that core group, and also engenders idealistic persistence. A firm conviction of truth sets the soul on fire. People who believe in what they are doing and in what they are saying will be much more indefatigable than some cheap con-men lacking the conviction that what they say is right.

                        How a minority view can prevail

                        Directing efforts at persuasion toward the conscientious minority means that, instead of trying to build a mass-movement straight away, we are recruiting an elite cadre that will be able to wield influence over the multitude when it gains the requisite strength.

                        It has always been organized elites that have really been responsible for the choices made by multitudes, wherever those choices have in any way deviated from the immediate path of least resistance. It’s a democratic delusion that crowds exhibit any kind of decisiveness without having been accordingly trained or directed.

                        This is actually a source of hope for us, because it means that we only have to win a relatively small number of converts to our cause in order to be situated to prevail.

                        What we are building initially must be like the philosophical schools of ancient Greece, winning converts from the thinking minority, rather than a modern mass political movement that tries to win general popular support. Thus at this point at least, the role of the American Third Position is to spread the message of White advocacy as much as possible with the media available to it. This will have a huge effect on thinking people even in the absence of electoral victories.

                        Today’s ideological think tanks, which wield enormous influence, are like a cheap imitation of the ancient philosophical schools. Think-tanks are to philosophical schools what Ayn Rand is to Plato — but nonetheless they have been enormously influential. This is how laissé-faire economics made its comeback in the late 20th century, because somebody set up a think-tank, the Institute for Economic Affairs, to elaborate that idea, and to present it constantly until somebody started to take it seriously.

                        Men like Fisher and Smedley were at the very margins of respectability in the 1950s, and the media never bothered with them. They were ignored because practically all politicians and commentators from left and right believed in the Keynsian idea that the state should intervene to manage the economy. Everyone was convinced that left to itself the free-market led to disaster – as had happened in the 1930s…. To their opponents Fisher and Smedley were right-wing dinosaurs. But they both were convinced they were a part of the future….

                        So one day Fisher plucked up courage and went to see Hayek at the LSE in London where Hayek was a professor. Fisher asked Hayek for advice – should he go into politics to try and stop the oncoming disaster? Hayek told Fisher bluntly that this would be useless because politicians are trapped by the prevailing public opinion. Instead, Hayek said, Fisher should try and do something much more ambitious – he should try and change the very way politicians think – and the way to do that was to alter the climate of opinion that surrounded the political class. Fisher wrote down what Hayek said to him.

                        “He explained his view that the decisive influence in the battle of ideas and policy was wielded by intellectuals whom he characterised as the ‘second-hand dealer in ideas’.” [Adam Curtis, The Curse of Tina]


                        The purpose of the “scholarly institute” that Fisher and Smedley formed was not to influence the general public directly, which they had no possibility of doing, but to convince members of the opinion-forming elite that their ideology made sense. Over the course of several decades the prevailing assumptions in economic policy have been completely reversed as a result of these efforts.

                        Radical social change begins with the efforts of a few fanatics who have an idea that attracts like-minded others. Revolutions in general have been accomplished by conspiracies numerically equivalent to mere single-digit percentages of the population. Even the normal electoral process in the United States, which is supposed to represent the public will, is in fact heavily influenced by militant minorities with their own channels of communication for maintaining their worldviews and coordinating their actions, like the Christian Zionist faction in the Republican Party that made George W. Bush the unassailable frontrunner more than a year before the presidential election of 2000. This faction also gave Rick Perry an instant, undeserved frontrunner status in 2011 (which he fumbled). Likewise, the influence of the far left in the Democratic Party during the 20th century was far out of proportion to their numbers among registered Democrats.

                        It is always a militant minority that makes history. The majority simply waits to see what happens.

                        We have the truth on our side, and with this we should be able to win idealists and thinkers as converts and build an effective cadre. The only other factor needed is money — not huge amounts of money such as the system has at its disposal, but enough that the organization can continue to function and grow. There are certainly people with healthy racial instincts who have money. With a solid message respectably presented and a stable and responsible leadership — which unfortunately has been all too rare in the racialist cause — some of that money is likely to be forthcoming.

                        Since we are relying on reason, we do not need to be able to saturate the general public with our messages. We only need a bit of publicity to attract the right people to our cadre, because alert and intelligent people will take note and seek us out if our message is right and we don’t spoil it with dishonesty or some other egregious display of faulty character.

                        Our Careful Rhetoric

                        The fact that we do not control mass-media means that we cannot lie the way our enemies lie and make it stick, if we were so inclined. We cannot use questionable sources either. We have to be careful about what we say, because anything of importance that we say, if it gets much attention at all, will have to survive intense criticism.

                        The beginning and foundation of our rhetoric must consist of facts that are either self-evident, or at least public knowledge that anybody can access. Such facts are to be found in news-reports, and on government and academic web sites. Sources should always be named so that the argument will not depend on the personal credibility of any White racialist but on the credibility of a mainstream or otherwise authoritative source. This is the only way that any intelligent person not already having faith in what we say can be brought around to our view.

                        The weekly racialist sermons of Dr. William Pierce exemplify this kind of cautious rhetoric.

                        (Some relevant examples: The Destructive Media, 13 April 1996, contrasting coverage of shootings at Fort Bragg and Fort Pendleton; The Lesson of Amy Biehl, 8 August 1998; The Fayetteville Murders, 29 August 1998; Hate Crime, 10 October 1998; A Trial in Jasper, 6 March 1999; Jewish Democracy, 4 September 1999; Hardheaded Altruism, 2 October 1999, contrasting crimes of Augusto Pinochet and Ehud Barak.)

                        A common formula that he used was to contrast some atrocious crime against normal White people that for some reason did not become a subject of widespread reporting, with the disproportionate coverage of some offense committed against a favored minority that, upon comparison, was really not as deserving of attention. In both instances, mainstream media are the sources, because their reporting is what is under scrutiny. Thus a convincing demonstration of anti-White media-bias is constructed.

                        As a result, the audience also learns about the agenda of those who control the media. In this phase of the argument the facts may be a little less well known, but still publicly verifiable. Thus within a single 20-minute speech, Dr. Pierce progressed from counter-propaganda of the most basic kind to radical criticism of the central institution upon which this democracy depends, without ever asking his listeners to take a leap of faith. This is the kind of message that can be taken seriously by serious people.

                        The fact that we do not have mass-media in our hands means that instead of appealing to the irrational multitude, our initial appeal must be to the deep souls who are capable of preferring what is correct over what is ubiquitous. It means that instead of an irrational propaganda, we have to respect our audience and give them the undiluted truth that they desire, and educate them through channels of communication separate from the mass-media that are hostile to us. As this organization of dedicated, capable, and likeminded White people develops, the possibilities for affecting mass-opinion and events in general will increase.

                        Conclusion: Reasons for Optimism
                        *The fact that multitudes are guided by dedicated minorities means that idealistic White people can be such a minority.

                        *We can generate this dedicated minority at much less expense than what it will cost the system to try to prevent it from arising.

                        *The force of the idealism of intelligent White people is on our side if we don’t throw it away by failing to respect the truth.
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                        • #57
                          A new forest of white nationalism will grow over the scorched earth of alienation he left behind, golden in the sunlight, brighter than jewranus

                          A new forest of white nationalism will grow over the scorched earth of alienation he left behind, golden in the sunlight, brighter than jewranus


                          http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-55754
                          http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4907#post4907


                          White nationalism has a very long way to go before it wields a well-honed sword of truth. Right now, what we wield is more like a buck knife. With it, we cut and stab, stab and cut, and end up getting just as much blood on ourselves as our enemies. We have not yet learned to do counter-propagandistic battle with a sustained, concentrated phalanx of intellectuals, but rather continue – in large part – to scatter helter-skelter as “lone wolves”, merely snapping and yelping at our opponents’ heels. One such “lone wolf” has been snared over in Germany, showing once again how failed and useless such tactics are.

                          Likewise, though Bill Pierce was a very intelligent man, who wrote some very persuasive and powerful articles, he was never a leader nor a dynamic part of a united melding of top minds in the white nationalist movement. For all his wisdom, he too was a “lone wolf”, a reclusive, sequestered, and bookish man, valued primarily for his weekly broadcasts than for devising any blueprint of action for the preservation and restoration of Euro-America.

                          Fortunately, the WN movement is in the early stages of shedding its “secret compound” mentality that once dominated such defunct groups as The National Alliance, The Aryan Nations, Elohim City, and other Great-White-Bwana-Hidden-In-The-Woods Neo-Nazi/Christian Identity cults.

                          Compare, if you would, the modern, nascent efforts of Dr. Tom Sunic, Dr. Kevin MacDonald, Dr. Greg Johnson, Dr. Mark Weber, Dr. Michael O’Meara, Dr. Guillaume Faye, along with such New Right thinkers as Alex Kurtagić, Richard Spencer, James Edwards, and others, with the furtive, Hillsboro recluse that was Bill Pierce, and one can easily see an entire new paradigm shift has happened, leaving old-school WN’s and their old-fashioned methods in the dust.

                          Throughut his life, Bill Pierce shunned other WN’s as “inferiors” and “hobbyists”. Now that he’s dead and gone, a new forest of white nationalism will grow over the scorched earth of alienation he left behind, golden in the sunlight, brighter than any truth we’ve ever had…

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                          • #58
                            Dr Pierce is the Cosmotologist CreaTard & WhiggerSwill Welass is His Profit

                            Dr Pierce is the Cosmotologist CreaTard & WhiggerSwill Welass is His Profit


                            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-55770
                            http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4908#post4908


                            Truth *is* our greatest weapon in the struggle against lies and liars. Thank you for the excellent article, Hadding, and for associating Dr. Pierce with this fundamental premise.

                            I doubt that Tom knew Dr. Pierce, nor did Ward, though he speaks with such familiarity of “Bill,” the so-called “furtive recluse” who allegedly “shunned other WN’s as ‘inferiors’ and ‘hobbyists’,” while he accords proper title to Drs. Tom, Kevin, Greg, Mark, Mike, and Guill.

                            What’s with that, Ward? I find it incongruous that you pooh-pooh the value of truth-telling while having a new blurb on the cover of your recently republished, old novel by none other than Harold Covington, who ranks up there with the likes of Scott Peterson when it comes to flagrant disregard for truth.

                            Dr. Pierce told the truth about things as he saw it; and the way he did it resonated with those of us with the ears to hear, so to speak. Some, a few, understood him and were inspired by his words, as here when he concluded his series, Who We Are, with “a few very concise guidelines for addressing ourselves to the task ahead”:

                            Originally posted by Fearless Leader

                            “The duration of the task will be decades, at the least, and perhaps centuries. History has a very great inertia; a historical process of long duration may culminate suddenly in a single, cataclysmic event, but every major development in the history of the race has had deep roots and has grown in soil thoroughly prepared for it by preceding developments. The course of history now, so far as our race is concerned, is steeply downward, and to change its direction will be no overnight matter, nor will this be accomplished by any gimcrack scheme which promises success without first building a foundation for that success, block by carefully laid block.

                            “The workers at the task will be only a tiny minority of the race. Any program which envisages an “awakening of the masses” or which relies on the native wisdom of the great bulk of our people — which is to say, any populist program — is based on a false vision and a false understanding of the nature of the masses. No great, upward step in all of our long history has ever been accomplished by the bulk of any population, but always by an exceptional individual or a few exceptional individuals. The masses always take the path of least resistance: which is to say, they always follow the strongest faction. It is important to work with the masses, to inform them, to influence them, to recruit from among them; but they must not be counted on for determinative, spontaneous support until after a small minority has already, by its own efforts, built a stronger force than that of any opposing faction.

                            “The task is inherently fundamental, and it will be accomplished only through a fundamental approach. That is to say, those who devote themselves to it must be pure in spirit and mind; they must understand that their goal is a society based on quite different values from those underlying the present society, and they must be committed wholeheartedly and without reservation to that goal; they must be prepared to outgrow all the baggage of superstition and convention inherent in the present society. Thus, the task is not one for conservatives or right wingers, for, “moderates” or liberals, or for any of those whose thinking is mired in the errors and in the corruption which have led us to the downward course, but it is a task for those capable of an altogether new consciousness of the world.

                            “The task is a biological, cultural, and spiritual one as well as an educational and political one. Its goal has meaning only with reference to a particular type of person, and if this type cannot be preserved while the educational and political aspects of the task are being performed, then the goal cannot be achieved. If the task cannot be completed in a single generation, then there must exist, somewhere, a social milieu which reflects and embodies the cultural and spiritual values associated with the goal, and serves to pass these values from one generation to the next.

                            ‘The preservation of a social milieu, just as the preservation of a gene pool, requires a degree of isolation from alien elements: the longer the duration of the task, the higher the degree. This requirement may be difficult of fulfillment, but it is essential. What should be envisaged, then, is a task with both an internal, or community-oriented aspect, and an external, or political-educational-recruiting aspect. As the task progresses and both external and internal conditions vary, the relative weight given to the two aspects will undoubtedly vary as well…”

                            Read more: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...t=73648&page=4
                            That sort of writing can’t be expected to find appeal among those who are not “pure in spirit and mind,” who have not “outgrown the baggage of superstition…”



                            Did you know, Cunterre, that while us red niggers didn't invent drunkenness -- merely improved on it -- we did invent syphilis???

                            Us solipsistic anglo-mestizos would morph into a jew or a nigger if that meant that we could get rid of Christianity!!!

                            Cosmotology -- Nature's Eternal way of straightening and lightening up kinky black hair!!!

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                            • #59
                              ]I want to run in circles with the other failed intellecshuls with the Nineties Show

                              I want to run in circles with the other failed intellecshuls with the Nineties Show



                              http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-55807
                              http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4909#post4909


                              Few if any things in life are sure bets, but the surest bet I can think of is to build on reality and defend the truth. The idea that we can’t win by talking about race and the Jews, but instead must confine ourselves to politic lies and half-truths, is suicide. We will never beat Jews in a battle of lies, which is precisely why they and their allies (witting or unwitting), always seek to draw onto their ground, to grandstand toward fools and quibble about shadows and smoke. That’s where they have the advantage. Our advantage is to hew to reason, truth, and reality, because the truth is on our side. That said, Machiavelli was right to say that armed prophets beat unarmed prophets. The truth alone will not set us free. We have to build a community and a movement that serves as the embodiment of the truth.

                              That is what Dr. Pierce worked to do. And that is certainly not “doing nothing.” Furthermore, it is better to do nothing than to do actively waste time, energy, and money trying to win in the enemy’s rigged game. I would submit that the political “mainstreamers” are worse than do-nothings. They constantly work to dissipate our scarce time, energy, and money in pointless political activism.

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                              • #60
                                This is a wunderfool article and it makes my mangina wettt, Hadding/Scott David Spiedel of the Bowel Movement Ninety's Show!!!

                                This is a wunderfool article and it makes my mangina wettt, Hadding/Scott David Spiedel of the Bowel Movement Ninety's Show!!!

                                May I have jewr ass-baby???


                                http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-55830
                                http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=4911#post4911


                                This is a good article, save for one criticism, which is that the author makes the mistake of presenting this as the ‘big idea’ or the single set of approaches that will win the war. That isn’t true, and it’s a mistake for each one of us to keep doing this because it tends to generate unnecessary distractions in the form of bickering about alternate ideas or ways that this particular idea doesn’t address that particular manifestation of enemy power, or how this strategy even when it gains momemtum can easily be crushed by a concentration of this, that and the other instruments in the hands of our enemies.

                                But apart from that, this article is a really good piece of thinking and it fits well with some of my online research….which involves looking for communities that contain high levels of individuals who are (a) intrinsically committed to truth (b) persuadable and (c) influential in society. These criteria go further than the author’s but are still consistent with this passage:

                                “We have to speak to the deeper souls, the people driven by idealism. These are people with a conscience and a disdain for falsehood, people who have an inner voice that objects to following the crowd when the crowd is demonstrably wrong”

                                One such community is the ‘philosophical’ domain. This is mainly people doing philosophy courses, but more generally all committed philosophers, say who attend Internet lists.

                                The reason is that philosophy is intrinsically about truth. In terms of taking a philosophy degree, the truth is that to do this, you not only have to be intelligent and commited to truth, you also probably have to come from a family wealthy enough that you don’t have to be worrying too much about how you will get a job afterward. That factoid raises the probability that the individual will be influential, or likely to become influential, or connected to influential people.

                                Now, of course, our enemies are also in the philsophy game big time. Some are dominated by our enemies. Some of those philosophies are the fledgling movements that in a few years will be waiting in the wings to replace current enemy movements when they finally fail under their own contradictions.

                                Which, incidently, does not matter to our enemy strategy. They know that each one of their philosophies or social movements may be inherently flawed, or untruthful. They know this, because they know its original design was not a quest for truth but a quest to destroy Western civilization, so how could things be otherwise?

                                But they don’t care about the lack of truth or the fact the movement or philosophy will eventually fail because of that lack of truth. All that matters is that teh movement or philosophy, while it ran, pushed the white people closer to their destruction.

                                Thus, when the current paradigms fail, as they will, this will not be a problem to our enemies just so long as there are new paradigms waiting in the wings, also flawed but also designed to keep pushing the white people to their doom.

                                What this means is that, besides converting individuals in philosophy, there is also a great need for certain strands of philosophy or strands of fledgling political movement to be infiltrated and disrupted while they are still small and haven’t yet taken off.

                                One person can do an incredible amount by doing something like this, even if he/she does not feel like they are. This is because by preventing a harmful movement from ever growing big in the first place, you may be directly changing the line of history, and the odds for our brethen a few years from now.

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