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    Default Debate on the Northwest Imperative

    Debate on the Northwest Imperative



    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...st-imperative/
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...ted=1#post3626



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    Edmund Connelly’s essay “Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet” at The Occidental Observer generated intense discussion. We have decided to continue and refine that discussion with a moderated debate. The primary focus of the debate will be the idea of the Northwest Imperative. A secondary focus will be Harold Covington’s writings about the Northwest Imperative, including the novels of his Northwest Quartet.

    The basic rules of the debate are:
    1. No ad hominem attacks are permitted, not even cute little asides. This is a debate about ideas, not personalities. If a comment has substance, I will edit out personal attacks. If personal attacks are the substance, I will delete the comment and ban the commenter.

    2. Pen names are of course permitted, but multiple pen names (sock puppets) are not. If you start logging in under new names to agree with yourself, you will be exposed and banned. (I have no moral objections to sock puppets. But they contribute to an undisciplined, irresponsible, unserious atmosphere, and this is a serious debate.)

    3. All the other rules of etiquette, logic, and fair play also apply and will be enforced.

    4. All comments must be on topic. Off topic commentary will never see the light of day.

    5. Should inappropriate comments slip by, debate participants have the recognized right not to answer them, citing these basic terms of debate, in order to keep the discussion moving forward.
    You don’t need a familiarity with the Northwest Quartet to participate in this discussion, just good logic and good manners. However, by way of background, I am reprinting the following text from Harold Covington.

    Fundamental Principles of Northwest Migration


    H. A. Covington
    I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction. If current destructive demographic trends continue, White people will be a minority in the United States and Canada by the year 2050, and we will have vanished completely from North America by 2100. The real point of no return, however, is far closer. By the year 2020, the median AGE of the White population of North America will have become so high that we will no longer be capable of reproducing ourselves in sufficient numbers to overcome the tide of mud-colored Third World immigration.

    II. We as a people have wasted the past six decades on pointless, futile, and impotent right-wing and kosher conservative organizations and strategies. The overwhelming majority of these past organizations and movements refused to recognize the vital central importance of race in all issues, and they refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race. The few attempts which have been made to resist racial extinction by groups and personalities of an openly National Socialist or racialist nature have been led by men who were stupid, incompetent, dishonest, or some combination of all three. The result of the past sixty years of right-wing failure and impotence is that we are now out of time.

    III. There is only one strategy remaining to us which may be able to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. Our last remaining hope to stave off extinction is the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation on the continent of North America for White people only.

    IV. Considerations of demographics, economics, and a history of commitment and martyrdom in the persons of Bob Matthews, Sam and Vicky Weaver, and Richard Butler dictate that the territory for this sovereign Aryan republic must lie in the Pacific Northwest.

    V. The first step towards the establishment of the Northwest American Republic is a mass migration of the existing racially aware White community to the states of Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. It is a matter of the utmost urgency that you make this vitally important commitment to the future of our people, that you do so now, and that you come to the Homeland with only the minimum delay necessary to raise sufficient funds and put your affairs in order.
    I also recommend you look at three other pieces on this site:
    So with that, ladies and gentlemen, don your thinking caps. Be patient, however. Since all comments need to be moderated, your thoughts might not appear immediately. So why not take the extra time before you send your comment to proofread it and decide if you can improve upon it or if it should even be published at all?

    If this goes well, we might even make a slight dent in the internet’s madhouse, mosh pit atmosphere and show that online discussion can actually contribute to the development of serious ideas and political change.

    Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 04-13-2011 at 10:30 PM.

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    Default Okay, we?re off to the races.

    Okay, we’re off to the races.



    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-6436
    http://mamzers.org/forum2/showthread...ted=1#post3627

    Okay, we’re off to the races.

    I will be working on Radio Free Northwest today, but I will check in regularly and make the time to respond to the posts. This is actually something of a historic occasion, one of the few attempts on the part of the Movement (or whatever you want to call “this thing of ours”) to use the internet to its full potential to actually exchange serious ideas.


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    Default There Is No Positive Alternative To The Northwest Republic.

    There Is No Positive Alternative To The Northwest Republic.


    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-6437
    http://mamzers.org/forum2/showthread...ted=1#post3628


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    *climbs up ship rigging, tacks his colors to the mast…like….THIS*

    There Is No Positive Alternative To The Northwest Republic.

    That places a metathematic perspective on what is the last, best hope our Race has on this planet.

    I will simply begin by noting what I have said before.

    Rockwell’s Model envisioned using the extant political process to work for the representation of the White Race, and worked from the bottom, up. His goal was, in part, the formation of a political party that was devoted solely to representing the interests of the White Race. It starts in Virginia, and ends up in Washington, D.C.

    Covington’s Model, as I understand it, sees the extant political process as a testing ground for our developing the future Leaders who will create and sustain a Racial Homeland for the White Race. In contrast to Rockwell’s “bottom-up” model, Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model works from the top, down, in providing the overarching goal that all of our activities must work purposefully to support. It starts where you are, and ends with our Posterity returning to walk Among The Stars.

    That’s good enough, for now!

    I’ll address Covington’s Basic Points above, directly.

    The colors I wish to nail to the mast here is that there is NO alternative to the Northwest Republic as a Homeland for the White Race.

    I have asked only one question from Covington’s critics:

    What is YOUR alternative, and how do you propose to make it happen?

    The one and only response so far has been to suggest we take over and control the cities, and then, somehow, take over and hold the country.

    This, from people who can’t “take over and hold” one street corner in South Central.

    The Northwest Republic ties together perfectly with the metapolitical project, as the temporal bridge for the metapolitical project, and a place where our Posterity – Children, and Grandchildren – can live where none may make afraid, and may make their Manifest their unique Racial Heritage, a Destiny worthy of Manifestation, indeed.

    Want to make the Fourteen Words a reality?

    Focus Northwest.

    To paraphrase General Robert E. Lee:

    “You can do no more, and your grandchildren deserve no less.”

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    Default My ?model? is that of the COLONIAL WAR

    My “model” is that of the COLONIAL WAR



    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3629#post3629
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-6445


    Sorry, I can’t figure out how to capture quotes directly on this site yet, so I’ll cut and paste:

    “Rockwell’s Model envisioned using the extant political process to work for the representation of the White Race, and worked from the bottom, up. His goal was, in part, the formation of a political party that was devoted solely to representing the interests of the White Race. It starts in Virginia, and ends up in Washington, D.C.”

    True. This was also in the 196os, where such a project was at still feasible, at least theoretically.

    “Covington’s Model, as I understand it, sees the extant political process as a testing ground for our developing the future Leaders who will create and sustain a Racial Homeland for the White Race. ”

    Mmmm….close enough.

    “In contrast to Rockwell’s “bottom-up” model, Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model works from the top down, in providing the overarching goal that all of our activities must work purposefully to support. It starts where you are, and ends with our Posterity returning to walk Among The Stars.”

    That’s the plan.

    “The colors I wish to nail to the mast here is that there is NO alternative to the Northwest Republic as a Homeland for the White Race. I have asked only one question from Covington’s critics: What is YOUR alternative, and how do you propose to make it happen?

    “The one and only response so far has been to suggest we take over and control the cities, and then, somehow, take over and hold the country. This, from people who can’t “take over and hold” one street corner in South Central.

    The Northwest Republic ties together perfectly with the metapolitical project, as the temporal bridge for the metapolitical project, and a place where our Posterity – Children, and Grandchildren – can live where none may make afraid, and may make their Manifest their unique Racial Heritage, a Destiny worthy of Manifestation, indeed.

    Want to make the Fourteen Words a reality?

    Focus Northwest.

    To paraphrase General Robert E. Lee:

    “You can do no more, and your grandchildren deserve no less.”

    ********

    My “model” is that of the COLONIAL WAR, a template which has been used both successfully and unsuccessfully over the past century by revolutionaries of all races. The object is to compel a withdrawal from a specific piece of territory by making the continued retention of that territory by the occupying power financially, politically, and eventually militarily untenable. As I say in my novels: “In a colonial war, it is never the generals who surrender. It’s the accountants.”

    Such an insurgency undertaken against a United States at the top of its game, or even today, would be doomed to failure. No one disputes that, least of all me. But my (purely fictional, of course) NVA insurgency which I describe in the novels is not confronted with the United States government or the United States military at the top of its game.

    I am describing a United States that is both morally and financially bankrupt; a United States whose military is stretched as thin as a spaghetti strand by maintaining over 700 overseas bases and at least three brushfire wars and foreign occupations; a United States burdened with a collapsing economy, massive unemployment, massive foreclosures and home loss as the productive White middle class disappears and the tax base withers away accordingly, bloated and corrupt government so incompetent it cannot even rebuild a major American city after a natural disaster, and a growing population of surly and non-contributory illegal aliens from the Third World who drain the country’s resources like leeches.

    I am describing an America in decline that can only “win” wars for a while by massive aerial bombing, and yet is so afraid of losing pilots and the resulting bad PR that they use incredibly expensive drone missiles to blow up weddings and elementary schools by mistake, tactics which realistically would never be used against a domestic insurgency or, if used, would cause such massive PR blowback as to virtually guarantee the success of the rebellion.

    I am describing a United States so unsure of itself and its moral authority that even with its military stretched to the limit, it dare not conscript an army for fear the guns would be turned on itself, by any one of half a dozen dissatisfied racial and ethnic groups.

    I am describing an America where the President of the United States has to schedule his television addresses so as not to conflict with American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. I am describing a United States where the president quite literally cannot address a classroom full of eight-year-olds without a teleprompter, which must be hauled in and set up by his small army of flunkies and bodyguards.

    Needless to say, since the United States of America is the greatest country in the world and has achieved diverse and democratic (as well as Democratic) perfection by electing an African-American to the highest office in the land, it therefore follows that no such United States could ever exist in reality. So just read the novels and enjoy!


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    Default How About a New England Imperative?

    How About a New England Imperative?



    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-6440
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3632#post3632


    While the Northwest Imperative may be a worthy goal, so should a New England Imperative consisting of Vermont, New Hampshire, Northwestern Massachusetts and Maine be considered.

    The population of these areas is 96% European. There is a fine road network, rail, industry, FARMLAND, industry (Sig, Ruger, etc), a functioning NAVAL BASE and many self sufficient people. If we were able to get the Federal Leviathan off our back we could make quite a go of it.

    A Northeast Imperative might make sense for people with ties in the area who would find a move to the Pacific Northwest untenable for family or employment reasons. We are not competing with the Northwest Front, but complimenting it.



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    Default There Already is a Gliberal Whigger New England Imperative

    There Already is a Gliberal Whigger New England Imperative



    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=3633#post3633
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-6446

    Diane:

    There are in fact two existing New England separatist movements already, one in Vermont and one in New Hampshire. The Vermont secession movement is run by a bunch of liberal, hippie-dippy Sixties retreads, mostly lefty academic types who get together in university lounges and pubs wearing tweed jackets with patches on the elbows and turtle-necked sweaters, where they bloviate about fighting the power and how they hate that awful man George Bush, so forth and so on. A lot of them are Jews, and after they got Obongo elected the whole thing seems to have dried up and blown away.

    The New Hampshire secessionists are libertarians, and they do indeed have a migration plan, but they are not overtly racial and that kind of defeats the purpose of the exercise. Why secede and take all the problems of America with you? The last I heard they’d gotten about 20 or 30 families to actually move. We’re doing a little better, but to be honest, not much.

    If anybody wants to set up a viable and serious New England separatist movement based on the 14 Words, more power to them! Just remember the famous words of A.K. Chesterton: “If they don’t name the Jew, their message isn’t true!”


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    Default We'z fucking doomed here in the NorthWest!!!

    We'z fucking doomed here in the NorthWest!!!


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70362
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    Does Covington mention that about half the land west of the Minnesota border to the pacific ocean and from the Canadien border to the Mexican border is owned directly by the federal goverment?

    Did he mention that much of the land not owned directly by the federal goverment in the northwest is Indian reserves which are actually under federal jurisdiction?

    Did he mention that those ranches that “own” say 10,000 acres of range land actually only own about 400 acres and all the rest is leased from the federal goverment?

    I have relatives who live in Seattle and work for microsoft. Seattle, Spokane, Portland Moscow Idaho and other north west cities are bastions of ultra liberalism as bad as San Francisco and NYC.

    Bill Gates and Paul Allen rule much of the pacific northwest the same way the Vanderbilts and Carnegie ruled the northeast 100 years ago. They are unbelievably liberal including liberalism’s anti White ideas and have billions of dollars to spend.

    There is a Washington State University in Seattle. It is in a bad black neighborhood. Black thugs regulary rape, rob burglarize and assaults students. Both staff and campus police have been told numerous times over the years and if they report the race of the criminals they will be fired.

    Sometimes there are parent’s meetings about the danger. The administartion adamantly denies that it is blacks that are the criminals terrorizing the campus.

    Between the ultra liberal coastal cities and the inland federal and Indian land I don’t think there is much private land left to buy. In addition, there are state universities and community colleges all over and the profs there are as bad or worse than people like Professors Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Lawrence Tribe, Noel Ignatiev and Dershowitz. Those local colleges are small time, but the ultra liberalism of the colleges permeates all those small college towns.

    Live in Portland or Moscow Idaho and other college towns for a few months and google federal and Indian land in those states for a few months before you move there.



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    Default I'm yet another mamzer pretending to be white, like TraitorGlenn Miller

    I'm yet another mamzer pretending to be white, like TraitorGlenn Miller


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70368
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=5713#post5713

    Covington is a textbook-type psychopath con artist type, one mean to us mamzers and ZOGbots like TraitorGlenn Miller and Alex Linderwitz. It is an absolute disgrace that he (Covington, not TraitorGlenn Miller) is not a complete persona non grata in the “movement.” I can’t think of any other political grouping besides white nationalists who are so tolerant of defective people and mamzer ZOGbots pretending to be white.

    It’s like racially unaware anglo-mestizo mamzers pretending to be some of you whites are so desperate for friends and have so low standards that’s it’s impossible for anyone to be shunned. This needs to change if whites are going to build any kind of real world movement in this country. You really really need to listen to us ZOGling mamzer ass-clowns, whiggaz!!!

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    Default Give a Piercite ZOGling whigger faggot meercunt a soap-box . . .

    Give a Piercite ZOGling whigger faggot meercunt a soap-box . . .


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70387
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    Tomislav, I think your assessment of Covington’s literary merits is ridiculously excessive. He is not the loveless mattoid meercunt that I am, Tubby ain't. I am not sure that a Croatian is really in a position to judge who is “a master of the English language.” Whereass, I'm an experienced Great Master-De-Baiter. I also suspect that you have rather little personal experience with the “Black gang banger” that you are SO SURE that Covington has represented accurately. That "Black gang-banger" bangs mein bunghole every single fortnight and I think I like it.

    Beyond that, even if all of your sky-high praise of the fat man’s writing were valid, you miss the point that this is not some kind of literary appreciation society here. It is where us intellecshumacatedals whine like pussies. All the arguments that you and the other diehard Covingtonistas put forth about how it’s possible for a highly immoral person to produce a good novel is beside the point when novels are not what we are about. What are we all about? Going ass-to-mouth with ZOG, that's what!!! This is a political effort, and Covington has been destructive towards us Piercites squeezing the Great Man, Fearless Leader, through our respective colostomy bags. As a Balkanoid Mongrollian Spam-Mamzer, you can't really understand us ZOGling whigger ass-clowns and faggots having to squeeze through with that effort. Do you understand?

    I think you should find some literary circle and try to convince them of the merits of Covington’s novels, instead of continuing to distract the White racial cause with a chronic source of trouble. Give a little Piercite meercat faggot a soap box and we never will ever shut the fuck up.


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    Default Quick reply to the Bowel-Movement Monkeyboys

    Quick reply to the Bowel-Movement Monkeyboys


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70388
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=5716#post5716

    Okay, I see that the cyber-stalkers have already appeared, and of course if I am present contributing to the discussion this comments section will quickly assume a remarkable resemblance to the monkey house in a zoo, at feeding time. So I will make the following remarks and no more.

    First off, thank you for the review, Tom. I will be interested in seeing how long it stays up. I suspect Dr. McDonald is already experiencing some cyber-pressure to yank the article.

    Secondly, to “Martin” and all the other objectors, at the risk of sounding like an author shilling for readers, please, READ THE NOVELS before you comment. They are specifically designed to answer questions and deal with most of the objections people raise to the Northwest plan.

    Thirdly, I will be happy to discuss “the other stuff” with anyone who is legitimately concerned or simply curious, but privately and out of public view and without all the “noise” created by the denizens of That Nineties Show. I have in fact discussed these things in public before, in my published writings and on Radio Free Northwest–for all the good it does. My address is nwnet@earthlink.net and if all the bells and whistles and pratfalls and clowns with red rubber noses fascinate you and you want a guided tour of the circus, shoot me an e-mail.

    Thanks again, Tom.

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