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    Default Christian Identity Allies of Harold Covington ? And Why

    Christian Identity Allies of Harold Covington — And Why



    http://www.counter-currents.com/2011.../#comment-7342
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    Christian Identity holds that White people are the ‘lost’ ten (actually thirteen) tribes of Israel. The Dual-Seedline variant holds that there are two seed-lines, one good, through Adam-Noah-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob/Israel line, and the evil jews who are the spawn of Satan through Satan’s seduction of Eve, giving birth to Cain, the first jew. Then through Canaan, the son of Ham and Naamah, Tubal-cain’s sister. The sephardic jews are through Esau-Edom from Esau marrying two Hivite women. The Ashkenazi jews are from the Hittite Canaanites who got scattered by the ancient Galacians/Greeks around 1200 BC through to the Khazars, who got beaten by Prince Vladimir’s grandfather Stanislas around 900 AD. There has been a Genesis 3:15 enmity between the two seedlines for seven thousand years. (Septuagint dating as opposed to Maseortic dating.) The jews have infested the Adamites for 7,000 years and have set up numerous ZOG/Babylons to miscegenate away the Adamic/White race. We are living in ZOG/Babylon the Third — and Final.

    Thus I believe that it will be the Great Tribulation killing 90% of the whiggers, along with all of the jews and muds, which will be the salvation of the Christian Israelite people, not bringing about a Northwest Republic. However, trying for a NW Republic through revolution doesn’t in any way conflict with my religious beliefs because somebody has to rebel against ZOG/Babylon someplace, sometime, and thus Harold’s work doesn’t conflict with DSCI beliefs. ZOG/Babylon must be destroyed.

    So I am an ally of Harold Covington, although I don’t always agree with Harold. We agree 85% of the time and I have no oxen gored by Harold, although I’m not planning to move to the Northwest. I have property in South Dakota, where my family of Swedes originated here in America.

    I’m sort of in between web pages right now, thanks to a dirty little ARA mamzer pretending to be CI, along with two jews pretending to be DSCI pastors.

    I wish Harold would have specified that I live in Southwest Missouri (Granby/Neosho) near Joplin, Kansas, and Oklahoma as opposed to SouthEastern Missouri around Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, and Mississippi. Travelling them secondary roads over 300 miles across the Ozarks is out of the question. However, I am forwarding your message, to a woman who lives in your general area from Harold’s contact list.

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    We Have Officially Arrived


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    The following review of the Northwest independence novels by Dr. Tom Sunic has been posted to Dr. Kevin McDonald’s Occidental Observer website.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-2/#more-13659

    We have now officially Arrived.

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    Default Literature: Harold Covington

    Literature: Harold Covington
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    Let us leave aside the political plausibility or post-historical veracity of Covington’s novels dealing with the war of White independence at the beginning of the 21st century in the Pacific Northwest. What needs to be singled out in Covington’s prose is his language, his ability to construct both real and surreal plots, and above all his skill to administer a good dose of empathy with his diverse characters.

    And indeed there is a whole gallery of diverse characters in his novels — from disfranchised poor Whites from the South who were once victims of positive discrimination and who have now landed in the embattled Northwest, to ritzy and sold-out WASP politicians in DC, vying to be more Jewish than the Jews themselves. Each of his numerous characters is carefully situated in his own timeframe, each carrying his own clusters of conflicting memories, often haunting him for the rest of his life. Covington, as much as he dissects the mindset of his warring heroes does not just examine their self-proclaimed racial awareness, but focuses instead on their historical consciousness. The reader won’t find characters blaring “White power!” or sporting swastikas, or endlessly debating about the ominous Jews. The frequent monologues by his characters bear witness that their individual memories are seldom sweet. Even in a pristine environment of the Northwest Republic, residents are immersed in their own Shakespearean dilemmas of being vs. not being. In most cases the racial awareness of Covington’s characters is coupled with their reminiscences of the haunting times of bygone eras. Thus, in his latest novel Freedom’s Sons depicting the nascent Northwest Republic, we come across a man who serves as one of the chiefs of the Northwest secret police. But this man has also a past; he is not just an empty White slate. His grandparents, back in the mid-20th century had fled communist Czechoslovakia and settled in the city of Chicago – only to discover another form of paleo-communist aka liberal insanity. Their progeny, the future settlers in the Northwest, realized that in the land of the free and the home of the brave, they were not just subjects to the terror of affirmative action, but also victims of serial burglaries and rampant Black crime. Finally, after much procrastination they decided to move to the Northwest, encountering on their way both physical and psychological roadblocks which in many ways reflected the predicaments they had once encountered in communist Europe.

    The strength of Covington’s prose lies in his ability to destroy human illusions and wishful thinking about the linear unfolding of time, which seems to be a standard pillar of liberal scholasticism. In this sense Covington’s novels are not just fictional stories dealing with Whites shooting guns, but also philosophical treatises announcing Slow Coming Dark scenes of unimaginable catastrophes awaiting all White people in modern America. Most of his characters, both the White “good guys” and the non-White “bad guys,” are tragic figures who despite the computerized environment they live in, are all well aware of their mutually exclusive racial determinism.

    The style and the story can often tell a lot about the author himself. Covington is a master of the English language; he successfully interjects into his dialogues slang expressions used by Black or Hispanic characters, as for instance when he briefly depicts the hellhole of south Los Angeles, or nearby Compton. He also captures the finesse of the English language when describing the dialogue between educated Whites hiding in a safe house near Portland. Covington is just as much at ease in depicting the primeval impulses of a Cholo from California, or the impulsive behavior of a Black gangsta who schemes on how to get a free ride on the White man’s credulity. He also easily relates the postured legalese used by the ruling class in Washington DC, which although advocating in public the doctrine of racial diversity, prudently avoids in private the company of non-Whites, always dreading, however, the public chutzpah of all pervasive Jews.

    Although Covington is well aware of the deep and fateful determinant of race, his White heroes realize that the notion of racial affiliation—or what can be called academically “in-group sentiments,” are far more pronounced among non-Whites than among Whites. So much had the process of self-hate been inculcated in the minds of latter-day Whites in a latter-day “Amurrica,” that in most cases many of his good- natured Whites take for granted their suicidal ritual of self- hate. Very telling is his description of a mestizo lady, a high-ranking federal cop, whose job in Portland consists in ratting out White separatists, yet who savors only the company of her White superiors and engages only in sexual encounters with her White federal bosses.

    Those passages on racial introspections of different characters are far more instructive in the study of racial psychology than the complete works by racial psychologists of the likes of Julius Evola or Ludwig Clauss.

    Metapolitics, Metempsychosis and Metaphysics

    Just as a reader may be tempted to categorize Covington as a good writer of fiction dealing with an apocalyptic latter-day America, he can also be called a master of historical discourse, well in the tradition of Sir Walter Scott or Leo Tolstoy. While it may be relatively easy for a writer to compose a novel set in the future tense, along with all accompanying high tech paraphernalia, such as we often find in any number of science fiction novel (and which can be also occasionally spotted in Covington’s war novels), it is far more difficult to draft a novel outline with a clear cut historical theme, let alone capture the language and the odor of the political climate of a bygone era. Covington’s skill in writing historical novels lies in his ability to project himself beyond the contemporary timeframe, well into an anticipated future and well beyond the time sequences of the past. This feature of his work has often been neglected by his critics.

    Covington uses a three-pronged analysis in the study of his characters: metapolitics, metempsychosis and metaphysics. His work is metapolitical in so far as his historical novels provide a good description of the power of theological deliriums occurring in the 15th and 16th century England and how those mass beliefs shaped the politics of that time. Indeed, if a reader wants to better grasp the psychopathology of the Marxist mystique and its 20th-century armies of true believers in Western academia, Covington’s roman à clef, The Black Flame, can be helpful.

    The action in this novel takes place in 15th-century England, still involved in the Hundred Years War with the Kingdom of France. All kinds of weird cults had sprung up all over England and Europe, each claiming that the Judgment Day is on their doorstep, each offering its theological salvation kit for spiritual survival. The main hero of the novel, an English detective of Irish ancestry, sent by the Royal House of England, investigates the sect known as the Black Flame, somewhere in a desolate part of East Anglia. The rumor had spread that the sect is involved in the practices of ritual killings and debauchery. When the story of this book is extrapolated into our own timeframe, it implicitly sends a warning message to modern day crazed and self-styled “Nutsies,” who often conceive of their Whiteness as an exercise in Satanic and criminal behavior, thereby scaring normal White people off and doing irreparable harm to their kinsmen. Therefore, before a student or a White activist begins reading academic works on racial psychology, such as the works by a well-known scholar of the psychology of the masses, Gustave le Bon, the novel The Black Flame can serve as a good introductory literature.

    Covington’s approach is also metaphysical in so far as his best book, Other Voices Darker Rooms, containing a collection of historical novelettes, deals with the haunting subject of time and being and how the main characters attempt to exit the prison of the time flow they were born into. Although the book may be at first glance an easy read, a better understanding requires that it be read twice, not least because it includes a great deal of shifting symbolism linked to differently reincarnated heroes, each acting within his own specific historical timeframe. Very few authors, both past and present, have done such a massive amount of research and travelling, as well as character analysis as Covington has. Covington captures in his historical novels not just the spirit of the time of a particular historical epoch, but also delves into detailed description of the characters’ attire, their language, and, above all, their historical memories. Unlike many scholars and White activists Covington realizes that Whiteness must have its name and its historical residence; his main heroes, or for that matter even his counter-heroes in the dying American system, are aware of their distant Southern White, Polish, Irish, German, Black, or Jewish roots. Seldom do his White heroes rant about abstract Whiteness. All of them show a deadly awareness of the powerful impact of their collective memory.

    Actually one could catalogue Covington’s historical novels with the label “transhistorical,” given that his main characters constantly wish to trespass the wall of time. Therefore, one could roughly insert Covington’s work into in the same register with the works of Howard P. Lovecraft, Ernst Jünger, or Aldous Huxley, three authors who are often called “traditionalist,” “reactionary,” or “conservative.” All of them strive to arrest the flow of time, wishing to turn back the sands of time—at least for a fraction of a cosmic second.

    Covington and the Wall of Time

    Covington is at his best when he describes the psychology of Jewish shtetl dwellers in eastern Galicia, in what is today eastern Poland and Western Ukraine, after the dismal retreat of Napoleon’s armies from Russia in late 1812. The main heroes of his novelette Whisper her Name on the Wind are a Jewish young lady and the Cossack chief. The French armies having departed, there suddenly ride into the shtetl the dreaded Cossack horsemen, a fearless warlike Slavic people who had served traditionally as the Praetorian guards to the Russian Tsars and who had a historic reputation for their extreme hatred of Jews. And the other way around, of course. In his novels, however, Covington, never engages in repetitious black and white insults of the Jews by the goyim, nor does he regurgitate words like “kikes,” “yids,” “hebes,” “youtres,” “youpins,” “Saujuden,” “chifut,” “zhid,”, “zhidov,” etc. — words which, to be sure, are on the daily (albeit strictly private) menu of all White citizens in Europe and America. Instead, he looks at the grey shadings in between when depicting his good, bad and ugly characters. Here we encounter a courageous Jewish girl of noble character who wants to save her town from the Cossack pogrom, even after the Cossacks had already found out that the Jewish mayor had lied about the gold stolen from the Tsar’s treasury. For her honesty and bravery in cutting an amicable deal with the soon-to-be-departing Cossack troopers, the young Jewish lady was stoned to death by her tribesmen. One could almost say that this young Jewish lady killed by her tribe resembled the Biblical Esther – albeit in a reversed role. She had broken the gold covenant of her tribe.

    The strength of the novelette lies in its accurate description of the attire and behavior of the wild Cossack warriors and their chief, a refined and a noble gentleman who, quite in line with the ancient Cossack family tradition, keeps his sacred word of honor. Yet when he finds out about the cowardly murder of the young Jewish lady by her own people, he orders his men to carry out the massacre of all the Jews in the town.

    Covington has not had a chance to write a sequel to this novelette, a sequel which occurred well beyond a different wall of time. One hundred and thirty two years later, in the late spring of 1945, over one million anticommunist White Russian soldiers and 50,000 Cossacks, who had fought on the German side, surrendered to the Western Allies in what is today northeastern Austria. Along with their families, they were turned back and handed over to the fast-approaching Soviet commissars. No need to describe their fate.

    Dr. Tom Sunic (www.tomsunic.com) is a former professor, author and a board member of The American Third Position Party http://american3rdposition.com/.

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    Pastor, I know you are a fan of this guy, but I don't really pay him any attention. His notions are goofy, as Jim Giles has said. Keeping all of his attacks on nearly everyone in the movement over the past 30+ years aside, Covington does not provide a concrete plan as to how his "Northwest Imperative" is to be achieved.

    Let's start with Israel as an example of how this is achieved (as it has succeeded so far - and I am in no way a fan of Israel, before all the kooks come out of the woodwork and start calling me a jew). Covington's plan doesn't include:

    1) Setting up white kibbutzes (which is needed if this thing is going to work) in the northwest. He never mentions any establishments of this sort.

    2) How to sway governmental support for this. For example, how do we push through support for our "Balfour Declaration". And when will it be scripted. So far Covington has provided no answers to this. The United States is not British Palestine. It is going to take a lot more blood and toil to make this fantasy of his come true.

    3) Where is the infrastructure behind Covington's plan? The backers of the state of Israel were in high government positions, the wealthy, and large jewish religious institutions. Our christian institutions would be overwhelmingly against any white "homeland".

    4) How to deal with the exodus of non-whites from the region. Do we just slaughter them all? Some places in the Northwest are completely nigger infested thanks to WWII when thousands of blacks from the south were brought in to work making ships at places like the Kaiser Shipyards in Oakland and shipyards in Tacoma Washington. What? We are going to convince thousands of liberal pot-smoking whiggers to launch a massive movement against the niggers they idolize? It's laughable.

    Covington pulls a lot of things out of his books. But they are works of fiction. And nothing more.

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=5704#post5704
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamB View Post
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=5704#post5704

    Pastor, I know you are a fan of this guy, but I don't really pay him any attention. His notions are goofy, as Jim Giles has said. Keeping all of his attacks on nearly everyone in the movement over the past 30+ years aside, Covington does not provide a concrete plan as to how his "Northwest Imperative" is to be achieved.

    Let's start with Israel as an example of how this is achieved (as it has succeeded so far - and I am in no way a fan of Israel, before all the kooks come out of the woodwork and start calling me a jew). Covington's plan doesn't include:

    1) Setting up white kibbutzes (which is needed if this thing is going to work) in the northwest. He never mentions any establishments of this sort.

    2) How to sway governmental support for this. For example, how do we push through support for our "Balfour Declaration". And when will it be scripted. So far Covington has provided no answers to this. The United States is not British Palestine. It is going to take a lot more blood and toil to make this fantasy of his come true.

    3) Where is the infrastructure behind Covington's plan? The backers of the state of Israel were in high government positions, the wealthy, and large jewish religious institutions. Our christian institutions would be overwhelmingly against any white "homeland".

    4) How to deal with the exodus of non-whites from the region. Do we just slaughter them all? Some places in the Northwest are completely nigger infested thanks to WWII when thousands of blacks from the south were brought in to work making ships at places like the Kaiser Shipyards in Oakland and shipyards in Tacoma Washington. What? We are going to convince thousands of liberal pot-smoking whiggers to launch a massive movement against the niggers they idolize? It's laughable.

    Covington pulls a lot of things out of his books. But they are works of fiction. And nothing more.
    I wouldn't say that I am exactly a fan of Harold Covington. Rather, let me say as someone who was an ally of Harold Covington, then a critic (because of Hill of the Ravens), and then since March 2009 an ally again of Covington, that there are reasons for my positions at all times when these positions were held. Covington has matured greatly in the 14 years I've known him and learned from his mistakes -- and some of them were whoppers.

    What you say above are dealt with in Covington's speculative historical fiction. After a dozen years


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    Quote Originally Posted by PastorLindstedt View Post


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    I wouldn't say that I am exactly a fan of Harold Covington. Rather, let me say as someone who was an ally of Harold Covington, then a critic (because of Hill of the Ravens), and then since March 2009 an ally again of Covington, that there are reasons for my positions at all times when these positions were held. Covington has matured greatly in the 14 years I've known him and learned from his mistakes -- and some of them were whoppers.

    What you say above are dealt with in Covington's speculative historical fiction. After a dozen years

    I understand. I just, well have to keep people with not-so-well-formulated ideas "at arms length", so to speak. I understand your position though.
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    Good article, let's not fight


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70451
    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=5709#post5709


    Well, this is a darn good article and I hope it does not devolve into a bitter free-for-all with all the anti-Covington sentiment we saw with Edmund Connelly’s March 30 2011 article.

    OK, we are being a second chance here to be good revolutionaries and remember that we attack our enemies before the victory, and fight with our friends after we win.

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    Default We'z fucking doomed here in the NorthWest!!!

    We'z fucking doomed here in the NorthWest!!!


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    Does Covington mention that about half the land west of the Minnesota border to the pacific ocean and from the Canadien border to the Mexican border is owned directly by the federal goverment?

    Did he mention that much of the land not owned directly by the federal goverment in the northwest is Indian reserves which are actually under federal jurisdiction?

    Did he mention that those ranches that “own” say 10,000 acres of range land actually only own about 400 acres and all the rest is leased from the federal goverment?

    I have relatives who live in Seattle and work for microsoft. Seattle, Spokane, Portland Moscow Idaho and other north west cities are bastions of ultra liberalism as bad as San Francisco and NYC.

    Bill Gates and Paul Allen rule much of the pacific northwest the same way the Vanderbilts and Carnegie ruled the northeast 100 years ago. They are unbelievably liberal including liberalism’s anti White ideas and have billions of dollars to spend.

    There is a Washington State University in Seattle. It is in a bad black neighborhood. Black thugs regulary rape, rob burglarize and assaults students. Both staff and campus police have been told numerous times over the years and if they report the race of the criminals they will be fired.

    Sometimes there are parent’s meetings about the danger. The administartion adamantly denies that it is blacks that are the criminals terrorizing the campus.

    Between the ultra liberal coastal cities and the inland federal and Indian land I don’t think there is much private land left to buy. In addition, there are state universities and community colleges all over and the profs there are as bad or worse than people like Professors Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Lawrence Tribe, Noel Ignatiev and Dershowitz. Those local colleges are small time, but the ultra liberalism of the colleges permeates all those small college towns.

    Live in Portland or Moscow Idaho and other college towns for a few months and google federal and Indian land in those states for a few months before you move there.



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    I'm yet another mamzer pretending to be white, like TraitorGlenn Miller


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-70368
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    Covington is a textbook-type psychopath con artist type, one mean to us mamzers and ZOGbots like TraitorGlenn Miller and Alex Linderwitz. It is an absolute disgrace that he (Covington, not TraitorGlenn Miller) is not a complete persona non grata in the “movement.” I can’t think of any other political grouping besides white nationalists who are so tolerant of defective people and mamzer ZOGbots pretending to be white.

    It’s like racially unaware anglo-mestizo mamzers pretending to be some of you whites are so desperate for friends and have so low standards that’s it’s impossible for anyone to be shunned. This needs to change if whites are going to build any kind of real world movement in this country. You really really need to listen to us ZOGling mamzer ass-clowns, whiggaz!!!

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    Default Give a Piercite ZOGling whigger faggot meercunt a soap-box . . .

    Give a Piercite ZOGling whigger faggot meercunt a soap-box . . .


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    Tomislav, I think your assessment of Covington’s literary merits is ridiculously excessive. He is not the loveless mattoid meercunt that I am, Tubby ain't. I am not sure that a Croatian is really in a position to judge who is “a master of the English language.” Whereass, I'm an experienced Great Master-De-Baiter. I also suspect that you have rather little personal experience with the “Black gang banger” that you are SO SURE that Covington has represented accurately. That "Black gang-banger" bangs mein bunghole every single fortnight and I think I like it.

    Beyond that, even if all of your sky-high praise of the fat man’s writing were valid, you miss the point that this is not some kind of literary appreciation society here. It is where us intellecshumacatedals whine like pussies. All the arguments that you and the other diehard Covingtonistas put forth about how it’s possible for a highly immoral person to produce a good novel is beside the point when novels are not what we are about. What are we all about? Going ass-to-mouth with ZOG, that's what!!! This is a political effort, and Covington has been destructive towards us Piercites squeezing the Great Man, Fearless Leader, through our respective colostomy bags. As a Balkanoid Mongrollian Spam-Mamzer, you can't really understand us ZOGling whigger ass-clowns and faggots having to squeeze through with that effort. Do you understand?

    I think you should find some literary circle and try to convince them of the merits of Covington’s novels, instead of continuing to distract the White racial cause with a chronic source of trouble. Give a little Piercite meercat faggot a soap box and we never will ever shut the fuck up.


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