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    [ZOGs_WAR] Drowning in Disinformation -- 23 April 2002


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    pathenry7788@yahoo.com via web21110.mail.yahoo.com; 19 May 2002 04:54:08 -0700 (PDT)
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    JR Niemela, the once and future Lt. Colonel, now miraculously
    self-promoted to full bird snarls:

    "DO I HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER?"

    The good "Colonel", obviously a firm believer in the "tell a lie often
    enough and the fools will believe you," adage--is becoming a mite
    frustrated it seems. No, JR, no matter how many times you repeat
    your error, error it remains, and conscientious seekers after the
    Truth must necessarily reject it!

    Niemela further rails:

    "ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENSION?"

    Actually quite capable! Rather too much so for your taste, as we are
    not swayed by lies and fairy tales.

    Niemela (or Niematode, i.e.: parasitical worm scavenging off the roots
    of an otherwise healthy plant) makes a "telling" point!

    "IT WOULD SEEM SO...AND I STILL SEE YOUR VIEWS AS
    SATAN WORSHIP...LOOK UP THE WORD WORSHIP AND
    SEE WHAT IS USED TO DEFINE IT....THE CLAIMS OF THE
    DUAL SEEDLINE LEAD DIRECTLY TO THAT POINT, DEVIL
    WORSHIP...JRN"

    What a fatuous "argument"! Acknowledging the existence of that "Great
    Dragon" --

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
    Devil, and SATAN, which deceived the whole world: HE was
    cast out into the earth, and HIS angels were cast out with HIM.
    --- Rev 12:9

    This "imaginary being" who conversed with God:

    Job 1:7-9 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?
    Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to
    and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
    And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my
    servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect
    and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth
    evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job
    fear God for nought?

    ...Is, by your reckoning, "worship"? Then "Elder" Niemela, pray tell
    just what is YOUR relationship to the Talmud? Do you not wave it about
    every opportunity you get? Do you not reverently quote from it?
    Do you not give it preeminence, and credence over the Word of God
    when you state that this medieval Jewish concoction is the "origin" of
    Dual Seed-line? Thus you would spurn and disrepute the scriptures
    which we quote by introducing this rather recent and spurious Talmud?
    Come now JR, I've asked you before and never received an answer
    --give me the name of a single seed-liner that bases his acceptance of
    Seed-line upon the Talmud? How many even knew that the Talmud
    even contains a garbled variant within it. Also I have asked you--if indeed
    the Talmud IS the "source" of Seedline--just where IN the Talmud, or
    from ANY Jewish source or authority--do the Jews (so called) admit they
    are the spawn of Satan!

    You have never been able to provide any such quote! And you are
    NOT able to now!

    Whence come comes this regard for, this respect of, this WORSHIP
    of the Talmud that you would place it above Holy Write? Can it have
    anything to do with your family ties? What is it now, three, more likely,
    four, generations of Niemela mamzers? A whole shoal of misceginated
    Niemela spawn swimming about.

    Also, Danny makes a good point, DO tell us about this Gerda Koch.
    This jewish infiltrator that has insinuated herself into Sheldon Emry's
    confidence and seems to have converted you into this "Satan is naught
    but a figment of our imagination" deception. Have you now found a live
    female khazaroid "spiritual leader" to augment your much beloved
    Talmud?

    Being deceived are you now become a deceiver? Are you a ravaging
    Baal-Priest leading the young and impressionable among us astray
    with your transparent deceptions? Look you to Luke 17:2.

    It seems to be that Niemela is simply spouting hot air--but then what
    can expect? As a deceived propounder of Satanic doctrines, is not
    the devil called the "Prince of the power of the air?:

    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course
    of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the
    spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    And now, a short word for Andy. Andy, I hear you have been claiming
    that I "assiduously" avoided meeting you. What's this, more LIES from
    our little lickspittle? Now, Andy, first of all I didn't know you CARED!
    You've never even hinted that you wished to meet me. Well, of course
    you can, all you have to do is respond to this email and I am sure I can
    accommodate you. We simply need to set a time and location. What suits
    you? Tacoma, Spanaway...? Also I would like to hear more about your
    very innovatively fabulous little fantasies you have been spreading about
    me.

    Cheers

    -hengist
    Confounder of Baalists


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: xxxxxxxxxx
    To: <hengist@attbi.com>
    Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:34 AM
    Subject: Fwd: Re: Holy War: Fw: Origin of the Myth of Satan


    > --- In Holy_War@y..., "Richard Niemela" <ricniemela@e...> wrote:
    > DO I HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER? ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF
    > COMPREHENSION? IT WOULD SEEM SO...AND I STILL SEE YOUR VIEWS AS
    > SATAN WORSHIP...LOOK UP THE WORD WORSHIP AND SEE WHAT IS USED TO
    > DEFINE IT....THE CLAIMS OF THE DUAL SEEDLINE LEAD DIRECTLY TO THAT
    > POINT, DEVIL WORSHIP...JRN
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Danny Murphy
    > To: Holy_War@y...
    > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:36 PM
    > Subject: Re: Holy War: Fw: Origin of the Myth of Satan
    >
    >
    > Richard;
    >
    > Gerda Koch Richard, do you know her? And was she of jewish
    > blood?
    >
    > So am I busy Richard!
    >
    > - In His Service, Danny Murphy
    >
    >
    >
    > >From: "Richard Niemela"
    > >Reply-To: Holy_War@y...
    > >To: , , , , , ,
    > >Subject: Re: Holy War: Fw: Origin of the Myth of Satan
    > >Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:23:14 -0400
    > >
    > >Danny>> I get tired of anwering innuendo and rumor that has no
    > substantiation...I don't have the time to run down all of your
    > foolish bits and pieces of nonsense that you seek to spread about the
    > internet...
    > >
    > >I suggest you stick with your day job and stop fooling around
    > trying to prove that some devil exists and that the dual seedline
    > nonsense has value....I have told you before to prove to me just what
    > it does to Christianity and what it offers for salvation...Nothing in
    > return, but more mumbo jumbo and wierd attachments and
    > pronouncements...
    > >
    > >If you must have devil that sits around and guides those who are
    > confused, that is your own business, but since you insist on this
    > being as valid, then it becomes akin to worship, for those thinking
    > that there is some ultra super being roaming about, it becomes a
    > religion of sorts, and thus a worship....or recognition of some
    > powerful being who shapes policy in the world....Hardly
    > >
    > >JRN
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Danny Murphy
    > > To: christian-identity@e... ; christianparty@H... ;
    > chrspart@p... ; holy_war@y... ; Identity@e... ; jimrarey@c... ;
    > ZOGs_WAR@y...
    > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:37 AM
    > > Subject: Fwd: Holy War: Fw: Origin of the Myth of Satan
    > >
    > >
    > > Richard;
    > >
    > > Did I not mention that Pastor Emery heard this No Devil doctrine
    > from a Jewess by the name of Gerda Koch ? Richard, you said you would
    > get back to me about her, I am waiting !
    > >
    > > - Danny Murphy
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >From: "Richard Niemela"
    > > >Reply-To: Holy_War@y...
    > > >To: "Richard Niemela"
    > > >Subject: Holy War: Fw: Origin of the Myth of Satan
    > > >Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:32:12 -0400
    > > >
    > > >For All...More information that others agree with the idea that
    > a "satan"
    > > >actually exists and lurks out and about to divert man from what
    > he should be
    > > >doing....Sheldon Emery had a good book on this subject and it
    > proves that
    > > >there is no supernatural being that so many use as an escape
    > valve...JRN
    > > >
    > > >----- Original Message -----
    > > >From: "David H. Sandlin"
    > > >To: ; ; ;
    > > >; ; ;
    > > >;
    > > >Cc: ; ; ;
    > > >"CTDevilMan"
    > > >Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:14 PM
    > > >Subject: Origin of the Myth of Satan
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > http://www.unhinderedliving.com/satanmyth.html
    > > > >
    > > > > Origin of the Myth of Satan
    > > > >
    > > > > Jesus said "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven"
    > (Luke 10:18).
    > > > >
    > > > > The word for Satan in the Old Testament Hebrew was ha-satan
    > which
    > > > > meant "The adversary." In the Old Testament, Andrew Collins
    > tells us
    > > > > that "this term is used exclusively to describe either the
    > enemies of God
    > > > > or the enemies of the Israelite race in general. Never is the
    > Devil
    > > >referred
    > > > > to as the evil one. Not until the advent of the New
    > Testament...does the
    > > > > term ha-satan take on the all important role. At this point,
    > Satan
    > > > > becomes an angel fallen from grace and expelled from heaven"
    > (1).
    > > > >
    > > > > Dr. George Lamsa, now deceased Aramaic scholar, also confirms
    > that the
    > > > > term Satan simply means adversary or evil intent. It was NOT
    > a literal
    > > > > person. It started out as a term to describe anyone who was
    > an enemy or
    > > > > in an adversarial relationship, and was finely honed down
    > into a literal
    > > > > being in the New Testament.
    > > > >
    > > > > In previous studies we have learned that the story of the
    > Watchers in
    > > > > Genesis chapter 6 and in the Book of Enoch, the story of the
    > sons of God
    > > > > impregnating the daughters of men, was a mythological version
    > of the
    > > > > actual descent of the Watchers of Kurdistan into the valley
    > where the
    > > > > early tribe of humans lived. We learn that they were not
    > actually angels,
    > > > > but men with striking physical characteristics which made
    > them appear
    > > > > as angelic beings. They were portraited as evil because of
    > the forbidden
    > > > > knowledge that they brought to the people. There is a great
    > deal of
    > > > > overlap between the story of the Watchers and the Garden of
    > Eden
    > > > > creation myth in early chapter of Genesis. If Satan is the
    > presumed
    > > > > individual who took on the form of the snake and seduced Eve,
    > it stands
    > > > > to reason then that the Garden of Eden story from Genesis
    > Chapter 2 and
    > > > > 3 is the same story as is related in Genesis chapter 6, but
    > from a
    > > >different
    > > > > standpoint. Since Satan was considered a "fallen angel" and
    > the
    > > > > Watchers were also considered fallen angels, then it is the
    > events of
    > > > > Genesis chapter 6 which are drawn upon to produce the
    > mythological
    > > > > story of the fall of man in chapter three.
    > > > >
    > > > > How could an event that happened in Chapter 6 be fodder for
    > the
    > > > > creation of the story in Chapter 3? Here is the scenario. The
    > early
    > > >tribe of
    > > > > man was living in the valley below Mount Hermon. Suddenly,
    > these
    > > > > angelic looking beings come down from atop the mountain,
    > which is a
    > > > > sacred mountain. They bring with them sacred but forbidden
    > knowledge.
    > > > > This knowledge is embraced by many of the humans, and the
    > Watchers,
    > > > > as they are called in Aramaic, take wives from among the
    > human women.
    > > > > Because the knowledge which the Watchers bring is forbidden
    > (why it was
    > > > > forbidden, we don't know) they are looked at as fallen
    > angels, and evil.
    > > > > As a result, they are associated with the concept of ha-
    > satan, anyone who
    > > > > is an enemy of the people or God. There was probably not one
    > particular
    > > > > watcher who took on THE role of satan, but the group as a
    > whole was seen
    > > > > as being a threat. As a result of cohabitating and consorting
    > with these
    > > > > watchers and embracing their forbidden knowledge, the people
    > felt that
    > > > > they had been "thrown out of paradise" because they were no
    > longer the
    > > > > pure, ignorant, innocent race they once were. From this, the
    > Genesis
    > > > > myth was born. Contributing to the creation of the myth was
    > the fact that
    > > > > all the other societies around them also had similar
    > mythological
    > > > > creation stories, and these were of course known of and
    > considered
    > > > > relevant to what was happening to this particular tribe of
    > man at the
    > > >time.
    > > > > Egyptian and Sumerian tribes had constructed their creation
    > myths [Or
    > > > > were they myths?-DHS] hundreds of years before, because their
    > societies
    > > > > are much more ancient than the Biblical societies familiar
    > from
    > > > > traditional Bible readings.
    > > > >
    > > > > As we learned in a previous study, the forbidden knowledge
    > the Watchers
    > > > > brought was simply knowledge of metal working, of making and
    > applying
    > > > > cosmetics, knowledge about the weather, astrology, use of
    > herbs and
    > > > > spices for cooking, and use of medicinal herbs. Yet, these
    > types of
    > > > > knowledge, which offered mankind ways of understanding and
    > > > > controlling his life and world, were obviously forbidden. It
    > is hard to
    > > > > understand why this knowledge would have been foridden, for
    > God had
    > > > > given mankind dominion over the earth, to control it and to
    > subdue it,
    > > > > and this kind of knowledge would have offered assistance in
    > maintaining
    > > > > that dominion.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nevertheless, this helps us to understand the mistaken origin
    > of the idea
    > > > > of Satan as a literal being, and helps us to understand that
    > the
    > > > > undeveloped nature of civilization at this time nurtured many
    > false ideas.
    > > > > The questions that beg to be asked are these: How did the
    > society of the
    > > > > early Bible develop from the more advanced and permissive
    > societies
    > > > > that existed before written Biblical history? Were these
    > people simply
    > > > > afraid of knowledge and the advancement it would bring?
    > Perhaps one
    > > > > man and his family, or several families, decided they did not
    > want to
    > > > > embrace a more knowledgeable, freedom-oriented society, and
    > withdrew
    > > > > from the society they lived in, retreating to the valley
    > below Mount
    > > > > Hermon and building a reclusive, separatist kind of society
    > which feared
    > > > > and avoided knowledge and advancement. Reminds me of the
    > > > > separation one can see today in the religious world. Some
    > would say,
    > > > > "My drug problem is so severe, the only thing that will
    > deliver me from it
    > > > > is God" and they sit back and wait for him to magically take
    > away the
    > > > > problem for them. Other would say, "I know that God will
    > deliver me from
    > > > > this problem, through the use of the power, abilities,
    > skills, and
    > > > > knowledge that he has given me, and is available to me at any
    > moment in
    > > > > time." These people recognize that it is not arrogant to
    > say "I can lick
    > > > > this problem myself" because God is the one who has equipped
    > you with
    > > > > the power to do it, so when you use that power, you are still
    > giving him
    > > >the
    > > > > credit and the glory, it's just that he used your mind, your
    > body, and
    > > >your
    > > > > spirit as the tools to accomplish that feat.
    > > > >
    > > > > I do not want to be one of those humans, hiding in the
    > valley, refusing to
    > > > > embrace knowledge. And those early Bible stories are simply a
    > record of
    > > > > what one civilization did. They do not represent a model for
    > what we
    > > > > should do. They are history recorded through mythology. Can
    > we learn
    > > > > from them? Yes, if we realize they are not literal, [Or are
    > they
    > > >literal?-
    > > > > DHS] and that the canvas of spirituality is much broader than
    > that
    > > > > portraited in these man-made, human renditions of what is
    > believed to
    > > > > be divine.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > *************** ***************
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > David H. Sandlin
    > > > > dhsscd@t...
    > > > >
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    > > > >
    > > > > ~^~^~^~^^'~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~~~~~ ~~
    > > > >
    > > > > Preserving your culture isn't hate. It's survival.
    > > > >
    > > > > When a government has ceased to protect the lives,
    > > > > liberty and property of the people, from whom it's
    > > > > legitimate powers are derived, and for the
    > > > > advancement of whose happiness it was instituted,
    > > > > and, so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment
    > > > > of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an
    > > > > instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their
    > oppression;...
    > > > > --THE TEXAS DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, MARCH 2, 1836
    > > > >
    > > > > "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will
    > > > > not be needed until they try to take it."
    > > > > --Thomas Jefferson
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