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From: SafanNews (SafanNews@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:18:39 EDT
To: SafanNews@aol.com
Subject: SAFAN NO. 1172. Knob Creek/Deep Mud or Deep BS
(Bull Splatter) or....
STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW!!!
SAFAN Internet Newsletter, NO. 1172, Apr. 23, 1998
KNOB CREEK/DEEP MUD OR DEEP BS (BULL SPLATTER) OR
LAWRENCE MYERS RESURFACES
by "joe 6pk" (Joe Burton) 4/21/97
And so they came, people from all walks of life, from various
states of the union -- men, women and children. The event
[Apr. 17-19] was the National Machine Gun Shoot in Knob Creek,
Kentucky. Little was I to know, just how much the sparks would
fly there, on this my second visit!
My friend Harry and I checked in to the campground around noon
on Friday April 17th. The residue of the 16 twisters that struck
Nashville had dropped quite a bit of rain on this area and the
ground was well soaked. Since the areas nearest the road was
already occupied, we settled on an area down a slight incline
about 100 ft. off the road. We unloaded our trucks and set up
camp. Harry being an intelligent fellow, (who had been there
before in the rain) brought along a couple bales of hay, which we
put down in order to keep down the muddy mess that's associated
with camping in wet conditions.
We had just finished our endeavor and sat down to relax and enjoy
our new home away from home. A car drove down in front of us
into a muddy low spot and stopped ... with some spinning and
pushing from the two younger guy's with him, this older driver
was able to get out of the hole he had dug, but was unable to
climb the slight embankment. Harry and I got up and was about
to help push this man back, so he could get a running start.
Others had beat us to him and were pushing. Again the man stopped
in the same hole and spun mud all over those who had tried to
help. When I saw the man couldn't drive, I sat down and Harry
told them to wait for the tractor to pull him out. He sat down
as well.
All of a sudden the man gunnned his engine and sprayed mud
all over not only our tents, but on us and all of our gear as well.
As I sat stunned at first, Harry leaped to his feet and was
hollering for the man to stop. I was soon up and putting my two
cents worth in. The three of them remained silent as they waited
for the rescue tractor. . . Thus began our visit to Knob Creek.
After a brief clean up effort, we decided to visit the gun range
and vendors on the midway. While shopping around some of the
vendors "goodies" I ran into Mark Koernke , whom I had visited
with, both at his home back in Oct. and at the survival show in
Atlanta this past Feb. I spoke with him in regards to some
personal attacks that he has had, about those I have had, as well
as other personal matters, and his case status. Understanding
that being in the forefront of this movement can lead to attacks,
not only from government sources, but from supposed friendly
forces as well. I wished Mark well and continued my endeavors
shopping like a kid in a candy store.
And I returned to the campground and walked around visiting
some of the various Militia units from around the country. Many
I knew, though some it was a first time I'd met in person. As
I talked to some of them, I got the feeling something was in the
wind, but at that time, I wasn't sure just what it was.
Later that evening we made our way down to Shepardsville to the
Best Western Motel, where the hosts of this weekends Militia get
together, the United States Theater Command [David Rydel], were
having a meeting. There were about a dozen or so in attendance.
Dave Rydel invited us to join in and we accepted his offer.
Art Bean was discussing the fact that anyone you talk with these
days could be a FED, or in fact anyone setting at the table could
be a FED or CIA. I agreed with his point and noted that I had
recently been accused of being a Russian agent myself, by a
mindless female gossip from Knoxville. I said there have been so
many attacks lately, on so many of us and I had indeed predicted
it in some of my past articles. Attacks on myself, Koernke, Rydel,
Boris, Huizinger, Wayne, Riley, Johnson, Harris, Kwaja, Gritz,
Trochman, and too many others to name, since the list is endless.
(To my list readers you will note: I did not pass on the recent
report on John Trochman and others since obviously it was lacking
in evidence), full of accusation and rumor.
We can't all be spooks I stated! We need an Intelligence panel to
weed these accusations out, OR prove them, I said. But we must
make sure that when these charges are brought, IF they are
disproven, that the results are the discrediting of the ones
bringing the false charges. They readily agreed and asked if I
would be willing to put this panel together. I said yes BUT,
whomever sits on the panel is thoroughly checked out by the other
panel members and confirmed ... starting with me. If we are truly
who and what we say we are, we shouldn't mind standing for
inspection. Myself and many others live on our integrity and
credibility that we have built over the years in this movement.
We have to have a way to clear our names. Everyone agreed and it
was decided it would be brought up at the Saturday meeting. Dave
Rydel asked if he could be the first to be checked out when this
panel is seated. First we will need people to formally provide
charges and enter proof, I said.
I also shared with them my documentation packets and my recent
evidence re: the cloud/contrails and the matter dropped from them.
They asked if I would be willing to address the group with my
pictures and documentation and I agreed to this as well.
They then went on to discuss among other things, the need for
National Ham radio encryption communications and said this info
would be presented at the meeting as well by an individual
knowledgeable in the field. It didn't occur to me to ask who
that individual would be.
Dave was kind enough to give Harry and myself a nice hat as the
meeting concluded. Little was I to know that hat would signify
one faction among many, at the next day's meet.
Saturday's meeting was to begin at 1300 hours, but people were
still streaming into the VFW hall, so the start was delayed.
Scattered among the attendees were a few ladies and a sprinkling
of kids. Most were men dressed in full camo, though some of us
were in civilian camo (street clothes).
Four Star General Woodcock entered and sparks immediately began
as he and Art Bean immediately began a confrontation. A couple
of us got between them, as others restrained these would be
combatants. We appealed to their sensory side so that they would
realize this was not the time or place for combat.
John Trochman entered and took his beef with Rydel to him and
they both went over to a table, sat down like gentlemen and came
to an understanding between them.
Rydel tried to get the meeting started and complaints were coming
from the floor, he turned the floor over to Drew Rayner, who began
the meeting on a positive note with the prayer and pledge. This
turned out to be the highlight of the meeting. Drew began trying
to explain what we hoped to accomplish and explained about
the intell panel and immediately was challenged by Rick Ainsworth
of 3CC about WHO decided this? Drew responded in regards to the
prior nights meeting and again Ainsworth interrupted saying no
deference to Mr. 6pk but I want to know who decided. At that point
I took the floor briefly explaining I would have more to say about
it later, but that it would be made up of different parts of the
country to stop all these problems.
The next discussion was about a man from the University of Indiana
who was writing a book on Militias and wanted to be present for
the meeting. A vote was taken and immediately there were challenges
to the vote. I had returned to my seat over by Harry and he
whispered asking me if I knew the guy over by the door who used to
work for Media Bypass. I looked and couldn't believe my eyes ...
it was none other than Lawrence Myers.
I watched as Myers moved on into the room. The question of media
presence persisted and Drew asked Larry a question relating to it.
Myers started to respond when I interrupted and petitioned Drew to
have him identify himself. He did so and someone questioned why I
was asking, I stated: This is the same Lawrence Myers who was a
confidential informant for the FBI, in the Chuck (fifth column)
Hayes trial. I was at that trial and I saw the FBI sacrifice this
informant personally. He is with the Feds .... I assure you.
Someone noted that indeed he had a wire in his ear, he protested
to little avail that it was a line feed for media. Still another
mentioned he was talking into his shirt when he came in about the
security at the door. No one wanted to hear from this FBI wannabe
at that point.
In another side bar, Woodcock was complaining that Rydel had put
out the word that he had been killed and his men were under attack.
He said he wanted to insure everyone he was very much alive as
snickers broke out and more cries rang out against Rydel. Ainsworth
took his men and walked out, as did some of the others. At this
point I felt incredibly bad for the ones who had travelled so
far and had much to give. Men like Don from Ca. or Mack and his
friends from Maine and many others from long distances. Patriots
who care and came to make a difference. You who walked out, didn't
just walk out on Rydel. No you also walked out on some real
Patriots!
At this point the meeting began to deteriorate and ol' Lawrence
came over and said Joe 6pk hey, funny I don't recall seeing you at
the trial. I said thats OK Lawrence, I noticed you were a little
nervous that day. I had a pony tail back then and I look a little
differently now. I'll tell you how you can know I was there
Lawrence. I'm sure you remember J. Orlin Grabbe and Jim Norman
being there. It really doesn't matter what you remember to me
Lawrence, but I remember quite well how the FBI sacrificed you and
how you worked with them and had been working with them, prior to
the Hayes case as well. He started trying to defend his actions
and I just turned my back to him and started talking to others
nearby.
The meeting moved out into the parking lot and Woodcock stated
he had absolute proof of what Rydel did to him. He went to his car
and retrieved an email that was sent out. He said, see it say's
right there "eagleflt". Someone took the email and examined it and
pointed out to the general that the origin of the piece was from a
jhsmith@juno.com and was probably untraceable. The general said
let me see that and it was pointed out to him. He began stammering
out an apology to Dave and Dave to his credit was gracious to
accept. When the apology came, few were present to hear it that
were in the hall listening to the initial tirade.
Do not assume I am a Dave Rydel fan, also do not assume I am
an enemy, because I am neither. I just firmly believe, a man has
a right to face his accusers and present evidence to defend himsef
or herself, as the case may be. Too many are too eager to grab a
rope and in this movement, that's scary!
As far as his background, Drew and myself have checked it out, as
far as the foreground I have heard murmurings for a year now. Who
has the evidence? If you don't like what the man is doing it's
simple, out do him, get the job done better, before you condemn
or present proof if you can.
Back in the parking lot, Dave being busy, had heard only parts of
my attack on Myers and asked me what it was about, so I explained
it to him in detail, at which point he gasped and said, it was
Myers who was to give the presentation on Ham radio operation
and encryption. I then, was the one to gasp that much harder,
not believing my ears!!!
If after reading about Myers psychological problems, both inside
the military and out, if I had any doubts about his mental
condition, they were quickly resolved, as I realized the
implications of him leading the Militia's encryption
communications and walking openly among men who SHOULD know
better.
OK men, for your first intell lesson, let's all go to J. Orlin
Grabbe's web page at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Now scroll down
the page and click on the articles re: one Lawrence Myers, go on
now, it's easier than digging through all your old Media Bypass
articles of months gone by, that you failed to remember what you
read. Go ahead read this web page, I'll wait here for you. BTW
if your not reading Grabbe's page every day, your in the dark
about alot of things. Stop, you can go back and read the TWA 800
and the other great info, when we are done here.
Now ask yourself : HOW CAN THIS MAN HAVE BEEN WALKING AROUND AMONG
US?? Do we have any intell??? Would we allow a FBI informant to
direct us in anything?? After the John Parsons fiasco, I would
have thought we were smarter than that. What next? Do we let
Lawrence's good buddy, Jeff Randall take a command??
GET REAL YOU GUYS, it's time we either put up, or shut up!!! The
feds broke this meeting up, with the assistance of a few gullibles.
Now do we want to do something about this problem, or ignore it
and pretend it doesn't exist???
Do we need a National Militia? NO!! Too many egos!! BUT we DO
need to be able to communicate and work together solving problems.
But most importantly, we need to shut down the rumour mills, stop
the provacatuers and uncover the feds and ci's!! NOW !! I have
volunteered again, like I need yet another assignment, but I will
not fund it. If this is something that comes about, it will be
because good and honorable men came TOGETHER to find a solution !!!
Let everyone take note: there are many fine units in this once
proud Republic. Salute Col. John and that fine Bama bunch. There
were several others, distinguished by their character and service
and what they are doing is appreciated by us all. First and
foremost we should all serve our state republic or common-wealth.
Therefore I am a proud member of the TVM.
Let us all lay our ego's aside and work for Liberty, under a
Sovereign God. For I assure everyone reading this, there are NO
HEROES in this movement, until AFTER the battle is fought !!!
Last week, John Lewis told us, that unless an Oliver Cromwell or
a William Wallace or a John Muhlenberg emerged, we are doomed.
And you know what? I believe him!
joe 6pk said it - Plunging a New Whirrled Odor !!
Feel free to repost or compost, but save the flames, I've got
better things to do !
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First of all, let me congradulate Mr. Joe "Sixpack" Burton for the first -- and only -- coherent account concerning this year's events, the follies of the militia generals this year at Knob Creek, Kentucky. Mr. Burton describes the situation which occurred with the breathless naive narrative as a survivor of one of these man-made disasters which could have been avoided with a little foresight. One gets a picture of what happened very well in Mr. Burton's narrative. Mr. Burton is either exactly one of these common-men who upon occassion describe things uncommonly well, or a master of such understated subtilty that he belongs in the Mossad..For example, take his foreshadowing the figurative bogging down of the militia movement in the mud created by militia-general foolishness with the example of the man in the car at the first part of his report. Rather than stop immediately when the car bogged down, or waiting for the rescue tractor to arrive and give a tow, the idiot in the car decides to splatter with mud those trying to help him. Then the fool sprays those who are just standing by, before getting so bogged down that waiting for the rescue tractor becomes inevitable.
Such, in a nutshell, is what ended up happening at Knob Creek. Everyone who went there, acted like the fool in the car or the person caught in the splatter, with themselves as militia generals ending up caked in the mud due to their own stupidity.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:34:23 -0400
From: "eagleflight----uNITED STATES Theatre Command----David E. Rydel"
(eagleflt@eagleflt.com)
Subject: redistribute
Reply-To:
From: "Ramon Sparks"
To: "dave rydel"
Cc:
Subject: redistribute
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:29:55 -0400
IN THE SERVICE OF THE KING OF KINGS ................
Lawrence Myers Responds to "Joe Six Pack"
The earphone in my ear was connected to a two way radio, pin head.
About a half dozen people at Knob Creek came with these new FRS UHF
radios. They are cheap, effective and secure. (Normally, do you
think undercover FBI "operatives" show up invited to a meeting
wearing a secret "wire" where the microphone is clipped to their
shirt collars and an earphone is dangling from their ears?) It's
called "2-way radio," genius.
I was invited to the meeting. In your "report" you neglected to
mention that when I asked if anyone wanted me to leave the meeting,
even you did not open your mouth. When I got up close to you, even
though you were wearing a pistol, you were not nearly as mouthy,
were you, coward? You told me you knew all about me and refused to
tell me your name, other than "Joe 6pk." Fact is, everyone
already knows all about you. Ask the poor bastards in jail up in
Michigan who Joe 6pk is.
I go to Knob Creek twice a year, and have since the 1980's.
(Perhaps we will meet again there.) I have known some of the people
who were at that meeting for more than 10 years. I am not exactly
clear on why I should respond to your recently posted ignorance.
Call Media Bypass and ask the publisher or editor about me. I have
never given any militia member or any other patriot bad press in my
life. I defy you to find a single negative or inaccurate thing I
have ever written about the "movement" since 1988.
You, however, are becoming an embarrassment to those who want to
restore this country. Based on the opinions of those who laugh at
your posts on the Internet, (Check the militia newsgroups there
Joe,) you certainly have chosen an appropriate name.
"Six Pack" evidently defines your primary "source" for all the
"secret information" you have managed to uncover in your career as an
"intelligence investigator" for the patriot movement.
Compare our written records.
Joe 6pk AKA 50 year old Joel Burton of Clinton, TN is well known
is his hometown as a "high profile paranoid," according to a local
reporter who now refuses to return his calls. (Do you deny this,
Joe?) Neighbors on Market Street avoid him, local reporters and
cops ignore him. Even though he has now cut off his pony-tail,
everyone in town still recognizes him from quite a distance away.
Which is how they like to keep it. Ask anyone on his street.
Armed with a six pack and a keyboard, he is, of course, a
self-proclaimed "legend" on the Net. Space aliens and UN troops
have no chance when old Joe 6pk is on the case. For example, in
one of his hilarious posts to the "In-Search-Of" UFO newsgroup
of 23 Jun 1997, Mr. Burton states, while driving down the interstate,
he spotted a black helicopter overhead as he was observed by "two
men in camos holding what appeared to be some strange large lensed
objects like a special kind of binocular."
In the same post he discusses the evil "unmarked black helicopters"
that have hovered over his house "on 6/6/97, (filmed and
documented)," and of course, those secret video cameras;
"globe looking objects similar to ones in Wal Mart and K mart." that
spied on him all the way to another secret "mission" up in Ohio last
summer. And everyone should beware of what Mr. Burton calls "TYRANNY"
(sic) "His eye is not just on me, its on you too and your families,
friends, co-workers and fellow citizens!!" he warns the UFO newsgroup
in this post.
This year, Burton posted yet another secret report "Black shoppers
all over" (sic) Aside from the interesting typo in the title, his
report of the trials and tribulations of being a secret patriot is
as instructive as it is amusing. It is available at:
http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/blackchop.htm
Here, Agent Joe must have more than one six pack. He reports that
he went down to the local National Guard armory to "educate them"
with all of his secret knowledge, and the local Army commander
actually invited him in to review all of his "documents."
Amazingly, this Army officer, of course, was converted to the
patriot cause right there on the spot. According to 6pk, the officer
had already read Joes' many Internet postings and even gave Mr.
Burton the locations for some other "secret basses" (sic) close
by, that even Joe Six Pack admits he was unaware of.
There were, of course, serious consequences for giving all of
this secret potentially mutinous information to the local U.S.
Army. In fact, Mr. Six Pack reports that on this very same day
"suddenly a Black Cobra swoops down on me. Since I had neither
my American Express nor my SKS rifle, I turned around and head
for the crib!! As I got to the first traffic light it turned red
and I stopped and the helicopter did too." This story, and the
"hypothermia" he says he suffered spying on the secret UN camp
disguised as a "Bluebird Bus Company" terminal really makes us
want to follow the terrifying adventures of knife-in-the-teeth Joe.
Make no mistake about it. The evil NWO gummint is clearly
intimidated by Agent Six Pack. For example, he tells us about
his sighting of "28 black chops near our airport. After I reported
their location they were moved." And Joe always, somehow, keeps
catching them in the act. Agent Six Pack even recently cracked
the conspiracy behind those white smoke trails left in the sky by
jets flying overhead. That's the government's secret chemical war
on patriots. He told his local muffler shop owner about the "vivid
prism of colors" in the sky, which he explained as follows: "I gave
him the rundown on the JP-8 jet fuel mixed with EDB (ethleylene di
bromide)[sic]. I said this is perpetrated by our own government."
Yep, those white UN planes have been doing this for years.
(Don't try telling Joe that most commercial airliners are painted
white for any other reason than that they are part of the UN
global government conspiracy.)
Now, all of those "secret towers" coming up in East Tennessee are
also part of an evil plot exposed by Agent Six Pack. A simple quick
look will tell you these are new cellular phone sites, but Secret
Patriot Intelligence Agent Joe suspects otherwise. He won't tell
us exactly what, since, he says "I still refuse to turn this into
a tech manual. Some are microwave, some CONUS, etc. etc." (FYI Joe,
"CONUS" is the standard military acronym for Continental United
States, and has been since at least 1960.)
Joe does suggest we "take out" these evil towers, though, not all of
them. "These towers are in sectors, you do'tn (sic) have to take out
every tower if our country is attacked (or does the attacking). One
per sector will do the trick if done properly. Nuff said on that!!"
Thanks, Agent Six Pack. How many people have you conned into
conspiring to "take out" cell phone towers in your community so
far? Weren't you up in Michigan last fall telling those guys they
should figure out a way to "take out" the local TV towers and
highways? They got caught following your "advice," didn't they?
(Do you deny this, Joe?)
By the way, Agent Double-O-Six-Pack, you can stop those "beams"
you claim are causing you headaches and giving you those "closed
lumpy sores" on the back of your throat by wearing a tin foil liner
in your militia hat, and dangling some paper clips from the cuffs
of your pants so the "microwave CONUS" beams will ground out when
they come in contact with you.
Yep, I accused the FBI of setting me up in a murder for hire plot.
Check the court transcripts, pin-head. Tell me you work for the CIA
and try and hire me to kill your child and I am likely to call 911.
Your opinions mean nothing to me, Joe. Post, plot, piss and moan all
you want. Your opinion and your vital "work" speaks for itself.
I am not a militia member. I am not in any group. I simply gave
some basic commo instructions to Dave Rydell, at his request and
attended a meeting at someone's invitation.
And, for the record, genius, as far as who was or was not a "federal
agent" at the meeting you continuously disrupted with your pinhead
paranoid nonsense last weekend, as one person who walked out suggested,
"You could probably spot the federal agent in the meeting. He was the
one laughing the loudest..."
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Subject: Once again..."OUR FUTURE"
Please distribute widely
Shepperdsville, KY (Knob Creek)
I know the sacrifice in both time and expense that many good
patriots made in order to attend a meeting that never came to be.
Unfortunately, the meeting was sabotaged from the begining.
However, I was in charge of the meeting so I must take the blame
for all of the interruption that took place.
I would like to hear from all of you on what would you like to
see happen now. What do we do? What actions do we take? Where do
we go from here?
Should we hold a meeting to go over this thing at end of June or
July?
Should we head in a certain direction or just call it quits?
Please give me your answers to these questions and ask of me
any questions you may have. I need to hear from YOU on what YOU want.
Please Advise
warm regards,
Dave R.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:07:45 -0400
To: "72113.1673"(72113.1673@compuserve.com)
From: "eagleflight----uNITED STATES Theatre Command----David E. Rydel"
(eagleflt@eagleflt.com)
Subject: Knob Creek
>Reply-To: (rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net)
>From: "Pamela Wheeler" (rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net)
>To: (eagleflt@eagleflt.com)
>Subject: Knob Creek
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:31:26 -0500
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>Hello Dave,
>I am very sorry to hear what happened at Knob Creek. I had hoped
>that by now the ego freaks would have learned that they are the
>problem and have no voice worth hearing in the solution! I am
>glad to hear that you were cleared of wrong doing. I have felt
>for some time now that you are the genuine article. You and Art
>Bean and Walt were three people I would stand with and not be
>afraid to turn my back. I know that you and Walt have had
>your disagreements but I hope when all is said and done that you
>two will put aside your differences. You are both good men, you
>both take a different tact and there in lies the problem. I
>think the world of Walt for what he did for me one bad moment at
>Knob Creek. I doubt that he ever told you about it but I heard
>the gunfire and started to come unglued. For a moment, I was back
>in the Nam and was remembering the day I got shot to hell. If
>Walt had not stepped forward and helped I might have gone postal.
>No one on this earth is perfect and we all have our crosses to
>bear. Try to remember that my friend and you will be an even
>better leader than you are now. You know my history and that is
>why I am writing to you. I am very disturbed by the fractious
>attitudes among the militia. Rick Ainsworth dressed me down
>when I requested that he remove my name from his list (which he
>has not bothered to upgrade or check) and I am surprised at his
>behavior. He came off to me as Mr. Saint Goody Two Shoes and
>then he walks out? The man is two faced! I have to agree that
>Joe is right. A national militia is out. But one thing is very
>clear. We have to have a means of communication between the
>various militia. We also desperately need a way to find out
>who is an informant. I suspected that Lawrence was a CI when I
>met him in Gadsden. I made him an offer that any real reporter
>would have jumped on with both feet and he shrugged it off. I
>also took note on some things he said to me during a conversation.
>Old news I know. But therein lies the problem that you and all
>militia people face. If someone is a CI or a CW or FBI or
>whatever, their tracks are very well covered. I know that
>you know that I am very well aware of what I say. I would love
>to sit down with you and Art and a few others and try to
>figure a way to deal with this problem. To be honest I have
>no suggestions as to how you can ferret out these people. There
>are however some signs to look for. If you would give
>me a call at (210)- 658- 2559 I will be more than happy to talk
>to you about this. I can not afford to call you at this time
>because I am strapped for funds. As you know I am not working
>now. BTW.. that is one of the things that points out some of
>your enemies. If they don't have a full time job and yet always
>seem able to travel....like I used to! Please send my regards
>and best wishes to Art. I hope he is doing well. And tell Joe
>that I thank him for the report on Knob Creek. Yes David I am
>keeping up with what is going on now. I feel that time is
>growing short for our way of life and that the time is coming
>soon when we will have to pull together or lose. I guess that
>is why I was so unhappy to hear what happened at Knob Creek.
>Respectfully,
>Ken McWilliams
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X-Sender: eagleflt@mail.eagleflt.com
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:40:31 -0400
From: "eagleflight----uNITED STATES Theatre Command----David E. Rydel"
(eagleflt@eagleflt.com)
Subject: Re: USTC
From: Intel96B (Intel96B@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:10:59 EDT
To: eagleflt@eagleflt.com, BTiraspols@aol.com
Cc: WKay@aol.com, leroy@ix.netcom.com, tomread@snet.net,
gordon@informamerica.com, james.ormond@siemenscom.com
Subject: Re: USTC
The following posting was on Eagle Flight, and solicited comments and
suggestions. My comments are interspersed in parenthesis:
From: BTiraspols (BTiraspols@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:47:28 EDT
To: eagleflt@eagleflt.com
Subject: USTC
David E. Rydel, United States Theatre Command
April 24, 1998
We all (some of us) know the truth (believe) that in spite of recent
turbulent events (unspecified) USTC (uSTC) is the only (only?)
existing valid (viable) Communication and Coordination Center of
US Militia.. (there is NO SUCH THING as U.S. Militia. There may be
Rhode Island Naval Militia, Tennessee Volunteer Militia, Unorganized
Militia of Pennsylvania, and other "militias" at a STATE LEVEL, but
not U.S. Militia)
Q: In your opinion, what makes it "valid"? Just curious.
We also know (believe) that even two Militias within the same state
often don't trust and/or get along with each other (no argument
there). We all seem to know what to do (do about what? be specific,
give examples), but the mistrust and bickering (individuality)
divides the People and appear to make any common goal impossible
to achieve! (Please define what, in your opinion, our "common
goals" are.)
This is a true (subjective) and very unfortunate situation.
We need to get the (Constitutional?) Militia and all (all?) Patriot
groups (please define "patriot groups") to align themselves under
one umbrella of communication and coordination command (communication
and coordination, maybe, command, NO!) And we all know that is a
formidable task. (There are some so-called "patriot groups" I would
want nothing to do with, so be specific with your definition).
In order to form a mighty Unity for restoration of the Republic among
the squabble Militia and Patriot groups, we desperately need an
Organization, which would be an invaluable Instrument of Unity (sort
of like the United Nations?), the Organization that would solve the
existing problem of separation of the People and solve it now! USTC
(uSTC) is such an Organization! (uSTC is a communications network,
nothing more, probably never will be. I think it's a good
communications tool, but that's all it is.) However, in order to
achieve the goal of productive (please define "productive") and
potent Unity, I firmly believe we need some serious organizational
changes. (I don't suppose there would be a Field Marshal Boris
involved with this scheme somewhere?)
One of the structural changes I propose is to extend USTC (uSTC)
Staff to include at least one representative from each state of
the Union. Each State Representative will have it's own State
Theatre Command Staff consisting of a representative from each
militia group that is a member. A State Theatre Command will have
the same responsibilities as USTC (uSTC), within their state:
Communication and Coordination among the Militia and Patriot groups.
A State Theatre Commands will also be responsible to perform the
duties of USTC (uSTC), should USTC (uSTC) for any reason be
incapable of performing the duties of nationwide command or be
hindered in doing so by outside parties (might as well initiate
the "State level" plan now, because that's where the militia
belongs, and, in my opinion, uSTC is already, and always has been,
"incapable of performing the duties of nationwide command", a
concept with which I disagree anyway). Individual groups will
have Representatives of USTC (uSTC) and will be responsible for
organizing their own Staff in their communities with the same
level of responsibilities: Communication and Coordination among
the Militia and Patriot groups (I noticed you left out the word
"command" that time).
(What makes you so sure that this isn't already happening, and
nobody told you about it?)
Any individual regardless (regardless of what?) may become a
Member of USTC (uSTC) if that individual is a citizen of the US,
loves the Country and is ready, willing and able to serve the People
and the Nation with Honesty, Kindness, Devotion and Bravery, obey
orders and accept discipline (O.K., now here's where we start to
have a problem. From whom shall these "orders and discipline"
issue? Field Marshal Boris? I don't believe that ANY state-level
militia, or ANY local militia, or even ANY individual should
"obey orders and accept discipline" from ANYBODY outside of those
already prescribed by law, i.e.:
(1) County Sheriff, and his appointed deputies,
(2) Governor of the State, and his appointed officers, and
(3) in time of War or National Emergency, the President of the United
States and his appointed officers).
(See Title 18, USC 1385 and Title 10, USC 311)
The following is a draft of the Oath of Affirmation for Members of
USTC (uSTC).
All USTC (uSTC) staff at all levels will be required to take the
Oath of Affirmation and it is highly recommended to have members
of individual groups take the oath as well.
Oath of Affirmation
This oath is to be given with the right hand raised and the left
hand placed on a copy of the Constitution of the United States of
America.
"I do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute responsibilities
as a member of United States Theatre Command, the Communication and
Coordination Center of the US Militia. I will obey discipline and
orders of my Commanders, and to the best of my ability will
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States
and the unalienable Rights of the People. And for the support of
this Oath with a firm reliance on the Protection of divine
Providence, I pledge my Life, my Fortune and my sacred Honor".
Regards,
Boris Tiraspolsky-Sheremet'ev
(Well, gee, Boris, I'm all choked-up. Sounds good except that
"nationwide command" business. I took an oath already, so I'm not
really very interested in taking yours. Mine went something like
this:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies,
foreign and domestic, that I take this oath freely, without any
mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will, well
and faithfully, discharge the duties of the office which I am
about to enter, so help me God."
Looking forward to hearing from you. UVIDIMSYA, TOVARISH !!)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:33:14 -0400
From: Mark A. Smith (msmith01@flash.net)
To: SNET (snetnews@world.std.com),
Richard Biondi (bion8549@uidaho.edu),
Ray Southwell (rsout@sunny.ncmc.cc.mi.us),
PRJ (prj@mail.msen.com),
PIML (piml@mars.galstar.com),
Norm Olson (nolso@sunny.ncmc.cc.mi.us),
L & J (liberty-and-justice@pobox.com),
David Rydel (eagleflt@eagleflt.com)
Subject: piml] Current Conditions in this Country
X-bmw: Black Marble Wombat Version 5.1 Galstar Secure Hack
INTRODUCTION
In the three years since the Oklahoma City bombing federal
counterterrorism squads have thwarted plots to assassinate judges,
poison water supplies, blow up a gas refinery and even bomb the
FBI's national fingerprint identification center. With hundreds
of new agents and millions of additional dollars, authorities have
racked up convictions and guilty pleas in a beefed-up approach to
preventing domestic terrorist attacks. This statement begins a
story in Knight Ridder Newspapers in April of 1998. One would
expect this to mark the beginning of the end of the Militia Movement
and any threat to the status quo, but has it? What effect has this
had on the Militia Movement and other resistance organizations, and
what are some of the perspective responses to this newest federal
threat? These are questions that I will briefly address.
BACKGROUND
There were three major events and a number of smaller ones
that triggered a return to the Militia Movement in this country. The
first of the three major events to occur was the Los Angeles riots,
which were triggered by the first Rodney King verdict. In that
incident, we witnessed for the first time the refusal of the local
police to go into areas of Los Angeles for reasons of personal safety.
The Mayor ordered that no ammunition be sold to anyone and
California's 15 day waiting period for the purchase of any firearm
prevented the citizens from providing their own defense. Only those
citizens who were currently armed with both guns and ammunition were
in a position to defend themselves and their property. That incident
served as a wake-up call like no other.
Following the L.A. riots, many were horrified by the Ruby
Ridge and Waco incidents. The deliberate murder of a young mother
holding her 10 month old baby by an FBI sniper was probably the most
polarizing event to happen in America in this century. Here you had
a highly trained FBI sniper who chose to follow orders he knew, or
should known, to be illegal. Those orders called for the snipers to
shoot to kill any person at the Weaver cabin who was merely armed.
Few Americans know that there were three 2-man FBI sniper teams at
Ruby Ridge that eventful day who refused to follow those illegal
orders.
FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi testified at the Randy Weaver trial
that he shot Randy Weaver as he was approaching a shed located near
his cabin. After firing the first shot, Horiuchi claimed he had
time to work the bolt of his rifle, aim and fire a shot at Kevin
Harris as he ran back toward the cabin. As Harris reached the cabin
door, Horiuchi fired, striking Vickie Weaver in the face as she
stood in the doorway holding her infant in her arms. The bullet
exited Vickie's head and wounded Kevin Harris as he dashed into the
cabin behind her. We have reason to believe Horiuchi's story was a
lie.
The judge hearing the case harshly criticized both the
prosecution and the FBI for this deliberate misstatement of the
facts. The Jury acquitted both Weaver and Harris of murder on the
basis of self defense. Weaver settled with the government for 3.1
million of our tax dollars. The local district attorney charged
Horiuchi only with negligent homicide. FBI Director Louis Freeh
pledged to use our tax dollars to defend Horiuchi and the charge
was recently dropped in Federal court.
The Waco incident also served to polarize us. I suggest you
obtain a copy of the video entitled "Waco, Rules of Engagement"
(nominated for an Academy Award this year) to fully grasp what
really happened when 17 little children were gassed and then burned
to death along with over 60 adults. The FBI's own Forward Looking
Infra Red (FLIR) footage taken from the air will prove to you that
the FBI intended to kill every man, woman and child.
As has become commonplace, the mainstream media has never
presented the public with the true facts surrounding the Ruby Ridge
and Waco incidents, but every Militia member knows these facts very
well. Further, as these facts are being revealed to more and more
Americans through the Internet and other non-mainstream forms of
publication, the Militia are growing in membership exponentially.
To date, only one FBI agent has been imprisoned for
obstruction of justice in the Weaver case, and that sentence was
only 18 months. No prosecutions have taken place in the Waco
incident. Both cases were triggered by one common event: A federal
agent or agents, had been killed by those the FBI later slaughtered.
Perhaps the FBI wanted to send a clear message that such behavior,
even in the act of self defense, would not be tolerated. The
unintended consequence was the massive formation of citizen Militia
all across the nation.
FEDERAL RESPONSE
The Oklahoma City bombing gave the Federal Government an
opportunity to move against the growing Militia which were rightly
perceived as a threat to the status quo. Whether there was any
federal involvement in the actual explosion or not is being
investigated by an Oklahoma Grand Jury at this time and there is
a suit for wrongful death against the U.S. Government by over
140 family members and survivors also ongoing. Only time will tell
what they turn up, but for practical purposes of this discussion
Government complicity is unimportant.
The event has been likened to the Reichstag fire in Germany
on February 28, 1933. Although there is debate among historians
as to whether the Nazi's actually set the fire, there is no debate
that Hitler used the occasion to create a national crisis and as
justification for a sharp curtailment in constitutionally guaranteed
civil liberties. The Nazi's also took advantage of the additional
Federal police powers to suppress opponents, and it is clear that
the Nazi's did use the tactic of creating a "law and order" crisis
so that they could provide a solution which further eroded civil
liberties and entrenched their power.
Shortly after the bombing, President Clinton blamed the "Right
Wing Militia and talk Radio", for the blast, even though there was
no evidence of Militia involvement. He got antiterrorism
legislation that had been bottled up in Congress for so long, Federal
agencies got increased budgets, the ATF had new life breathed into
it, and most important, the Government had a straw man that it could
knock down to justify increasing erosion of civil liberties.
The Reichstag fire proved that democracy can be destroyed by
creating a "law and order" crisis and offering as a solution the
abdication of civil liberties and state's rights to a powerful but
unaccountable central authority.
MILITIA AND RESISTANCE RESPONSE
Reaction to recent efforts by law enforcement to infiltrate,
prosecute and disrupt their activities has come in many forms. A
recent development announced by The Vigo Examiner tells of a
consortium of militia groups around the country that have announced
a plan to rid themselves of individuals in their midst who are
actually working for various federal and local police agencies.
Their plan uses an obscure, but relatively simple technology. They
will use computers to analyze tape recorded statements for stress
levels. The human voice has a natural frequency. If the individual
tells a lie the added stress causes the natural frequency to shift
very slightly, indicating that the statement is not true.
Plans are being made for group members to individually, and
voluntarily make statements of loyalty, to be analyzed by an
independent contractor who has no knowledge of the identity of the
person making the statement. Anyone failing the test, or refusing
to take the test is out.
According to the story, law enforcement officials are
greatly disturbed by this. Their major effort to place individuals
under false colors into citizens' organizations has resulted in
major disruptions of their activities, and a great deal of finger
pointing and suspicion in their ranks. Many have been brought to
the brink of complete dissolution. This could represent a major
threat to this program of infiltration by informants and agents
provocateur.
Voice analysis notwithstanding, a more practical response has
been taking place. With the federal agents drawing the teeth of
militia units many came to see them as mere debating societies
and convenient boogie men for the Government to use for its own
purposes. These more "active" members were looking for something
new and picked up on the concept of Leaderless Resistance. This
concept was first proposed by Col. Ulius Louis Amoss in April 1962.
His theories of organization were primarily directed against the
threat of eventual communist take-over in the United States. The
theme was picked up more recently by one of his followers, Lewis
Beam, well known to the resistance.
The thrust of his paper is that large groups are not safe or
effective. Easily infiltrated and tracked they can be used or
destroyed at the whim of the state. Instead of joining large
groups they are encouraged to form small autonomous cells that
operate, and train independently of one another, never reporting
to a single headquarters or leader for direction or instruction.
The rational behind this strategy contends that it is harder
for law enforcement to detect, monitor, infiltrate and neutralize
activities of small independent cells. Individuals are encouraged
to form either very small, or even one person cells. In theory,
cells with more than one person are to consist of only close
associates who can be trusted and will not discuss group activities
and operational methods outside the cell.
It is the responsibility of each cell to acquire the necessary
skills and intelligence to carry out their plans. Information
mediums such as periodicals, newsletters, public access TV, chat
rooms, bulletin boards, Internet sites, radio broadcasts, 1-800
"hot lines," fax networks, etc will keep each person informed of
events, allowing them to determine the proper time to act and
appropriate actions to take. This limited cell theory of organization
has been expanded on by both left and right wing groups.
Training can be handled in a variety of ways. There are such
books as Paladin Press's "how to Kill" series, and Kurt Saxon's Poor
Man's James Bond. Videos, periodicals and Internet sites provide
instruction for those not familiar with military operations or
weapons. These describe such skills as bomb making, how to obtain
explosives, chemical and biological weapons, sniper tactics and
ambushing, surveillance and countersurveillance techniques. Another
source of training is, of course, the U.S. military.
There is a growing resistance movement within the U.S. military.
Evidence of this can be found in the growing availability and
increased sophistication of antistatist periodicals such as The
Special Forces Resister. This magazine, started and edited by an
active duty Special Forces soldier (since retired) was pointed
straight at members of special operations units in all services. That
he has been successful was recently demonstrated when by use of the
resistance network video taped photos of U.S. Army troops
participating in the "final solution" at Waco have been identified
as to name and rank. Tapes of their Colonel (now General) on scene
have also been identified.
One incident that helped to spark the movement was a
questionnaire administered to U.S. Navy SEAL Platoons, Marine combat
veterans stationed at Twenty Nine Palms, California, and Marine
basic trainees at Camp Pendelton California, beginning in September
1993, asking, among other things, if they would "... fire upon U.S.
citizens who refuse to resist confiscation of firearms banned by
the U.S. Government
Resistance movements are also growing within civilian law
enforcement. "Operation Vampire Killer" is one such organization.
The stated purpose is to alert members of the National Guard, police
and military to threats to freedom and our form of government from
statist politicians and organizations. They state, "Our Operation
Vampire Killer 2000 plan involves awakening (education) of our
fellow officers to the extreme need for them to take an immediate
and active role in assisting their fellow Americans in the New
World Order, using every lawful means available."
There is evidence that resistance to statist, status quo
objectives is taking hold in many areas and in many forms. Law
enforcement and military organizations have learned that infiltration,
and subversion are two way streets. This tension could continue
indefinitely, with the game going to the well equipped, staffed, and
funded forces of government if social conditions remain the same.
The prospect of an unexpected wild card upsetting the balance of
power is my next topic of discussion.
THE WILD CARD
Military commanders, bureaucrats and others within status
quo organizations are most comfortable with concepts, problems and
people that stay "inside the box." This is because it gives them
opportunity to do what they do best, and look good for their
superiors. This is required if they are to be successful within
the organization. The problem with this sort of thinking is that
most innovative solutions come from "outside of the box." We were
thinking outside with the way that we fought the British for our
independence, and the British complained loudly about it. Every
enemy that ever caused us problems devised plans that were outside
of the box. I say this because there seems to be a volunteer state
of myopia about a problem that has potential to knock everyone
"outside the box."
That problem is, of course the Year 2000, or Y2K problem. A
good explanation for why it will probably be more of a problem than
is currently popular to consider is furnished in the article "Blind
Man's Bluff in the Year 2000." Increasingly pessimistic reports to
Congress from such as the President and CEO of Century Technology
Services, Office of management and Budget's Fourth Quarter Report,
and articles in technical journals , such as Techweekall point to
a growing awareness of possible catastrophic social upheaval.
Such problems as loss of electrical power for any extended
period of time could cripple military forces, as was demonstrated
in a recent war game. Our military would literally be lost without
computers. A crippled or weakened military and law enforcement
could induce leaderless resistance cells to attack bases, outpost
or police stations in search of weapons, food and other equipment.
These attacks would further de-stabilize a weakened government,
especially if unpopular measures such as martial law were resorted
to control the crisis. The ones best positioned to survive a major
disruption of the system are the very ones that would resist
government attempts to keep, or regain control the most.
CONCLUSION
It is American tradition to be suspicious of government in
general, and this current government in particular. In an April
1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll taken shortly after the Oklahoma
City bombing found that over half of American citizens thought that
the federal government had grown so large and powerful that it
poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary
citizens. Additional and subsequent polls have tended to reinforce
these findings. Given the background of leaders of the present
administration and the Presidents constant stream of Executive
Orders designed to suspend the Constitution, control all
aspects of citizens lives in case he decides that politically it
is possible to declare a national emergency, I would expect
resistance organizations and groups of all types to continue to
recruit, train and make preparations for what they see as a rapidly
approaching Gotterdammerung.
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SOURCES CONSULTED
Virtually all of my sources have been taken from the Internet.
Since there are often problems in locating a particular site, and
links about this subject frequently disappear, I have appended all
referenced articles for the readers convenience.
Appendix A: U.S. Gains In Terrorism Crackdown, Judy L. Thomas,
Knight Ridder Newspapers, April 20, 1998.
Appendix B: Origins of the Militia Movement letter: Carl F. Worden,
Liaison & Intelligence Officer Southern Oregon Militia,
December 22, 1997.
Appendix C: Reichtag Fire, Weyrich Computer Consulting.
Appendix D: Truth, New Threat To Law Enforcement, William Kemp,
The Vigo Examiner, May 1, 1998.
Appendix E: Leaderless Resistance, Louis Beam, The Seditionist,
February, 1992.
Appendix F: Principles of Resistance Organization, Martin Lindstedt,
The Terrorism Research Center, November 15, 1997.
Appendix G: The Resister, John P. Zenger Press, Autumn 1997.
Appendix H: Soldier Survey, E-Mail Posting to author, January 20,
1998.
Appendix I: Operation Vampire Killer 2000, Officer Jack McLamb
(retired), no date.
Appendix J: Blind Mans Bluff In The Year 2000, Dr. Gary North,
October 8, 1997.
Appendix K: Statement of Michael P. Hardin, PH.D. President and
Chief Executive Officer of Century Technology Services, Inc.
Before the Subcommittee on Government Management, Information,
and Technology Committee on Government Reform and Oversight,
House of Representatives, March, 1998.
Appendix L: 4th Quarter Report, Progress on Year 2000 Conversion,
Office of Management and Budget, February 15, 1998.
Appendix M: Doomsday Fears About Year 2000, Amara D. Angelica,
Techweek, May, 7, 1998.
Appendix N: Computer Hackers Could Disable Military, Bill Gertz,
Washington Times, April 16, 1998.
Appendix O: CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, April, 1995
Appendix P: Do You Believe That Uncle Sam Is Out To Get You?,
Thomas Hargrove and Guido Stempel III, Scrips Howard News Service,
June, 1997.
Appendix Q: The Executive Order Above All Executive Orders,
E-Mail posting to author, April 1, 1998.
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>>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:49:07 -0800
>>From: Jon Roland (jon.roland@constitution.org)
>>Subject: Knob Creek
>>To: eagleflt@eagleflt.com
>>
>>Here it is again.
>>
>>------------------------
>> From: Jon Roland (jon.roland@constitution.org)
>> Subject: Knob Creek
>> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:08:49 -0800
>>
>>
>>I did not attend the Knob Creek meeting, but based on what I
>>encountered at the Reno meeting and the reports I have received,
>>the outcome was about what I expected.
The outcome at Knob Creek was certainly predictable given past
performances at Knob Creek and the increasing political and military
irrelevancy of the militia movement given the events of the past few
years.
>>At the risk of being repetitious, a major part of the problem is that
>>most of the activists in this movement are still unclear on several
>key concepts, most of which I covered in the Texas Militia Papers,
>available on our site, which were issued beginning in March, 1994.
>The points made there are not idle philosophizing. They have very
>real implications for action, and without a firm understanding of
>>them disasters like Knob Creek are all too predictable.
I myself agree with some of Mr. Roland's analysis and disagree
with most of it given the same facts. However, calling the events
of Knob Creek "disasters' is altogether accurate. The weaknesses
of the open militia movement and its foolish 'leadership' were
revealed. Such a disaster brought ridicule down on the
perpetraitors of such silliness. Our enemies laughed. The
Resistance is concerned at the dismantling of the open component
of the militia movement.
Mr. Roland's Texas Militia Papers of 1994 were very timely and
pertinent -- back in 1994 or even 1995. They are a death-trap today.
Resistance formation today is by cell. Cell formation involves
forming up in terms of blood relationship or long-standing friendship.
But rather than go back into Resistance Organization, I wish to to
deal with the usages of the open militia organizations still around
aboveground.
I think the purpose of the open, above-ground militias still
intact is to do what they do best: pump out anti-regime propaganda
and act as a sort of farm team for the actual fighting Resistance
by identifying, organizing, and directing back underground those
open patriots seeking answers. Thus the above-ground public militias
still have a political and communications, as opposed to military use.
>>
>>First, to be successful such a meeting needs to have a specific agenda to
>>which all participants are committed. That means they must not go there
>>seeking to vent their emotions or to find sweeping solutions to every
>problem.
Mr. Roland is correct. In an age of e-mail and PGP encryption
there is no excuse for not having an agenda by those calling the
meeting. The points to be discussed should have been gone over,
debated, and settled by the participants who would be there. Not by
calling a meeting between feuding factions hoping that the gravity
(and expense) of the meeting would be adequate to make sure all
would somehow work out.
A different meeting, that of the Gadsden Rally of '96 was far
more successful because the theme was either simple (The trial of
Robert Starr) or non-existant. Having no agenda or planning
worked out in that case because its nature was simply one of getting
together.
The April 19, 1998 meeting did have high hopes. Yet there was
no discernable agenda whatsoever. Any get-together was for purposes
of complaining about real or imagined slights -- and with the resultant
consequences.
Any future meeting or council must be organized to the point where
there is no place for the events of April 19, 1998. The points to be
decided should have already been drawn up and debated, so that it is a
matter of merely the participants voting (in person and/or via e-mail.
In an age of computer communications there is no excuse for not having
a director of computer communication for such meetings).
>>The task of any meeting should be to solve a specific solvable
>problem, that is, a problem that can be solved during the meeting
>with only the personnel and resources the participants bring to
>the meeting. Any discussion of what someone not present should do
>should be ruled out of order. Likewise any discussion of resources
>the participants don't have and probably can't get.
Mr. Roland is correct. In order to be able to solve any such
problems, though, there must be at least an agenda. To get the
matters of debate over, it is best that the bulk of debate should
have already taken place BEFORE the meeting.
>>
>>As J.J. Johnson has suggested, one such task might be to work out a
>system of communications. Even that is probably too large a task for
>such a meeting, especially if it hasn't been solved at the local level
>first.
Which of course stands to reason. A militia unit which cannot
communicate efficiently between its own members is unlikely to be able
to communicate with outsiders.
>>
>>Second, it is useless to argue about who is an infiltrator or
>provocateur. Despite the claims by some that there are reliable
>ways to identify such persons, experience proves otherwise.
Mr. Roland argues that effective organization is a better
means of security against infilltraitors and provacateurs than
reliance on a truth detector device. I agree with Mr. Roland that
organization is the number-one priority of any organization. Given
effective organization, even the worst of such vermin can be largely
neutralized. This is in spite of the fact that Mr. Roland favors
open public militias and I favor the formation of 'Leaderless
Resistance' cells.
However, a truth detector or polygraph machine operated by a
relatively neutral party can be an asset to a open militia movement
which is allowing anyone from off the streets to join its organization.
The presence of such would deter the petty fedsnitch who is working
on a quota system of betrayal. It might even deter all but the most
hardened federal sneak-goon or agent provacateur. Procedures could
be worked out in forming the question to make sure that honest answers
could be independently verified. If two Missouri state troopers
would have been subject to a proper questionnaire before they
infilltraitored several Missouri militia organizations before Voice
Stress Analysis became available, followup on the questionnaire
would have revealed gaps in their whereabouts consistent with them
being gubbnmintgungoon vermin for years previous.
Those honest persons who fail the VSA test but pass the
questionnaire survey might be encouraged to form their own militia
organization. If they are honest then they will accept the fact
that a means of winnowing the dishonest in a dishonest world is
necessary for the security of a militia organization.
Let us not put all our eggs in the one basket of organization.
I think that we all can agree with the value (as opposed to absolute
certainty) of procedures which will deter the federal narks from
preying upon us. Every open militia organization should have a unit
concerned with internal security.
> As I pointed out in 1994, the way to deal with them is to conduct
>all activities in a way that assumes they are present but makes no
>difference if they are.
And that is what should have been the situation with Mr. Myers.
Part of the reason for Knob Creek is to assure the world that the
militia movement still exists and is relevant. Mr. Myers should
have been treated as any member of the regime media by those who
don't like or trust him. Whether he was liked or trusted is an
irrelevancy. Nobody in their right mind should like or trust these
vultures in any case. Reporters are there to be used in the same way
they would use you for their benefit. Nobody who cannot deal with
such realities has any business talking to such creatures.
Methods of dire secrecy should not be discussed with people
strange to yourself -- or reporters. However, one of the purposes of
Knob Creek was to put on a show. That requires media. If you don't
want a circus then don't show them any clowns.
>None of us should be saying or doing anything that we don't want
>the world to know or that would cast us on anything but high moral
>ground, and we need to recruit such vast numbers and have so many
>units that no infiltration effort can possibly cover them all.
With Mr. Roland's attitude, it is no wonder that Resistance
cells never show up at Knob Creek. The best way to deal with
infilltraitors is for the criminal regime to not know you even exist.
Hence they will all be at Knob Creek pestering the militia generals
like ticks on dogs.
However, Knob Creek is a militia doings. And given such
organizations with their organizational faults allowing people
who cannot be verified inside these organizations, Mr. Roland is
right.
>>Third, we need to drop ridiculously pretentious names like "theater
>command".
At least Mr. Rydell dropped calling himself "The" Voice of the
Militias several years ago. The quality of his listserver has
improved as he has learned. Rydel manfully took the deserved blame
for the chaos which came about at a meeting he called to order
without discernable agenda. Recently he expressed an intent to
learn from his mistakes and put aside the one weapon of mass
destruction every militia general possesses -- his ego -- in
order to ask for suggestions.
It might very well be that the disaster at Knob Creek was exactly
what was needed in order to jar both the participants and observers
out of their rut. The chaos and foolishness on display was altogether
self-inflicted. Perhaps those who wounded themselves will learn from
from their embarrassment and pain sufficient wisdom to prevent a
repeat of this foolishness.
At least Mr. Rydel seems to have learned something.
There is something in what Mr. Roland says. But yet is there
anything wrong with militia organizations forming national linkages
and calling themselves whatever they please?
The value of Mr. Rydel's organization is in this spamlist which
is monitored by about everybody concerned with the militia movement.
Thus it already functions as a communications network for the militia,
openly for the Resistance Political Front, covertly by using
anonymous Internet e-mail for the Resistance Action Force cells.
Thus Mr. Rydel's listserver is already a valuable communications
asset of national impact.
It is when Mr. Rydel presumes towards the other two C3 functions,
such as "control" or especially "command" that the presumptions fall
flat. It is doubtful that Mr. Rydel will command any militia
organizations other than those who seek his leadership. The Resistance
forces by their nature are beyond the command or control of anyone.
Yet, if there is anything such as a "u.S Theatre Command" for the
militia movement Rydel has by hard work brought some of it about. By
forming an open communications network for militiamen Rydel does
ensure that he will be heard, and heard far more than any other
militia leader.
>>What we need are committees of safety, elected locally by public
>elections as we did in the Southern Region of Texas, and committees
>of correspondence to link all the committees of safety together.
>No attempt at anything like a centralized command structure should
>even be contemplated at this stage.
What percentage of the franchise is in favor of electing suspected
revolutionaries or known troublemakers to represent them in the
formation of a paramilitary organization? None? Are we to allow
regime criminals and their gubbnmintgungoons a vote in revolutionary
councils?
Patriotic man is not the same as common man. Common man can
always outvote patriotic man. Anybody doubting this should look
again at the vile creatures infesting Sodom-on-the-Potomac.
Militia organizations, much less Resistance Organizations, are
not mini-democracies. If the people of such organizations cannot
summon up enough legitimacy on their own to justify whatever it is
they must do, then passing the buck to majority rule is no panacea
for effective decision making and ruthless execution of policy.
>>Fourth, the militia needs to be kept strictly separated from
>political activities. That is not to say that political activities,
>including lobbying, electioneering, litigation, and public education,
>should not be a part of the daily activity of every militiaman,
>but the term "militia" should not be associated with such activities,
>which should be limited to organizing, training, and operations
>for defense, riot control, criminal investigation, and emergency
>response.
Funny how Mr. Roland wanted to put the day to day operations of a
militia in the hands of those best able to hustle up the vote, but yet,
that having been accomplished, would make the militia a tool for
regime 'law' enforcement.
"Warfare is the continuation of politics by other means," says the
military philosopher Clausewitz. This is especially the case for
Resistance and militia organizations. Every member should be very
politically aware, aware enough to subvert the regime at any possible
opportunity. While the qualifications and abilities of a Resistance
adept are much higher than a militiaman, even a militiaman must
be well aware of why he fights against the regime.
The militia is the cadre for an Army of Revolution against the
current regime and its regime criminals. The regime criminals are
instinctively aware of this, which is why they will not furnish
arms, ammunition, or 'legal' authority to those who would string them
up for treason. The reverse in fact.
Mr. Roland refuses to see these implications behind the militia
movement. Which is why he repeats these absurdities to the credulous.
>>It should be pointed out that, while the militia movement as a
>whole has had a degree of success in making people aware that there
>are problems with constitutional compliance,
Which is the end-all and be-all of Mr. Roland's commitment to the
militia movement.
> and in getting law enforcement
>to think twice about confronting large, armed groups,
These cowardly swine have always been scared of messing with
something which could put the hurt to them. As I have pointed out
before, violence or its threat is their only unit of measure.
> the main real success from any militia
>>operation was the exposure of the Good 'Ol Boys Roundup back in 1995.
>We need to focus on building a record of success at investigating
>and exposing high-level wrongdoing.
The regime criminals convicted in their regime korts their
gubbnmintgungoons as a result of militia "investigating and exposing
high-level wrongdoing," did they?
> That is what will bring us the public support that we
>need to accomplish the other things we want to do.
The public hates high-level wrongdoing. That's why we got
sloppy seconds on the Clinton regime. What with him running the
"Most ethical administration in U.S. history" and all.
> Militia training needs to focus on criminal investigation. There
>is no lack of opportunity to practice it, which should go a long way
>to keeping people busy and interested and in building local
>participation.
>
>--Jon
I don't know how militia people can listen to the above without
a hoot of laughter.
I would advise people to remember Bob Starr and his friends and
how they got rewarded by the people -- 12 of them in a jury -- for
playing cops and robbers with BATF snitches.
Gubbnmintgungoons hate and fear militiamen.
Shouldn't militiamen return such favors?
Mr. Roland started out pretty good and wound up at such a feeble
and pathetic end.
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Sun Tsu said "Know yourself and know your enemy. Then a hundred
battles fought and a hundred battles won."
That is the problem with the militia movement. It doesn't know
itself or what it wants. It has idiotic notions regarding the good
faith of the regime and its enforcers. Hence its factionalization
into quarrelsome bands run by fools. If the militia movement knew
itself then it would have taken steps to avoid repeats of the
same mistakes of its chaotic and egocentric militia generals,
came to Knob Creek with an agenda, and, either under the firm hand
of one warlord or by coming to a working consensus derive how to
survive, then prevail in a hostile world.
Is it any wonder that the militia movement has stumbled into a
hundred skirmishes -- and so far lost almost every single one?
--Martin Lindstedt
See: The Modern Militiaman's Internet Gazette, Issue #11 at:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1076/mmgaz11.html
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